Ranked #18!!!!

[AppStFan1]

the problem is clark has done a decent job...10-4; 9-3; 6-6; 9-5....and by some miracle he pulls out 4 more wins...we will get to a bowl again. It's hard to fire a coach without a losing record. However, if we don't do something soon we will be like an nc state year in and year out....we'll have a coach who does ok...with the occassional run to a conference title..the occassional 9 win season...but i truly believe our alumni, our fans, our administration and our football culture does not accept mediocrity.

I tend to look at the last 3 years more than the first 2 years because these are more Clark's teams. He is below .500 against FBS teams since 2022.

[Saint3333]

ECU fired Mike Houston today.

[AppStFan1]

We gave a mountaineer a chance. He hasn’t been altogether awful but he has failed to uphold the standard. So the question is, what are we trying to do here…be a place where former players can find gainful employment or be an elite football program?

It used to be both.

That is true. For those who say we have so many reasons why we have struggled and blame NIL or portal I think they need to look at Army and Navy. Both of those programs have many reasons why they should not be ranked, win 10+ games, etc but their coaches have them doing that. We can do it without a ton of spending but we have to be a lot better with high school recruiting. I hate to even say this but if we do move on from Clark I won't be worried if we lose most of the current commits. I have no faith in our high school recruiting these days and I use to.

[AppStFan1]

ECU fired Mike Houston today.

I wonder if they jumped at this today because they think we might go after same coach?

[BambooRdApp]

No.
Who knows about their current finances.... however , historically, they can pay more than App. St
If no connection at either App or ECU, the coach is taking the higher paying job if other things are equal....

[WASU 93]

We gave a mountaineer a chance. He hasn’t been altogether awful but he has failed to uphold the standard. So the question is, what are we trying to do here…be a place where former players can find gainful employment or be an elite football program?

It used to be both.

That is true. For those who say we have so many reasons why we have struggled and blame NIL or portal I think they need to look at Army and Navy. Both of those programs have many reasons why they should not be ranked, win 10+ games, etc but their coaches have them doing that. We can do it without a ton of spending but we have to be a lot better with high school recruiting. I hate to even say this but if we do move on from Clark I won't be worried if we lose most of the current commits. I have no faith in our high school recruiting these days and I use to.

Four programs did not take transfers this year: Clemson, Army, Navy and Air Force.

It’s not the only reason, but Army and Navy have chemistry and consistency that other programs do not have in the current environment. I don’t know that we can duplicate that approach.

I also doubt NIL is a factor at the service academies.

[BambooRdApp]

We gave a mountaineer a chance. He hasn’t been altogether awful but he has failed to uphold the standard. So the question is, what are we trying to do here…be a place where former players can find gainful employment or be an elite football program?

It used to be both.

That is true. For those who say we have so many reasons why we have struggled and blame NIL or portal I think they need to look at Army and Navy. Both of those programs have many reasons why they should not be ranked, win 10+ games, etc but their coaches have them doing that. We can do it without a ton of spending but we have to be a lot better with high school recruiting. I hate to even say this but if we do move on from Clark I won't be worried if we lose most of the current commits. I have no faith in our high school recruiting these days and I use to.

Four programs did not take transfers this year: Clemson, Army, Navy and Air Force.

It’s not the only reason, but Army and Navy have chemistry and consistency that other programs do not have in the current environment. I don’t know that we can duplicate that approach.

I also doubt NIL is a factor at the service academies.

In army's case anyway, it helps to have a QB that is serviceable as a thrower. It has been a while. He may be the best QB they have had in a while.

[Mjohn1988]

We gave a mountaineer a chance. He hasn’t been altogether awful but he has failed to uphold the standard. So the question is, what are we trying to do here…be a place where former players can find gainful employment or be an elite football program?

It used to be both.

That is true. For those who say we have so many reasons why we have struggled and blame NIL or portal I think they need to look at Army and Navy. Both of those programs have many reasons why they should not be ranked, win 10+ games, etc but their coaches have them doing that. We can do it without a ton of spending but we have to be a lot better with high school recruiting. I hate to even say this but if we do move on from Clark I won't be worried if we lose most of the current commits. I have no faith in our high school recruiting these days and I use to.

Four programs did not take transfers this year: Clemson, Army, Navy and Air Force.

It’s not the only reason, but Army and Navy have chemistry and consistency that other programs do not have in the current environment. I don’t know that we can duplicate that approach.

I also doubt NIL is a factor at the service academies.

I have hope that the “chemistry” thing will prove out and coaches will follow Dabo. I was thinking the exact same thing about the military academies. I truly believe a good “team” can beat a group of great players who aren’t really a “team”. I’m not sure if Dabo is doing what he’s doing for Clemson or for the whole of college football but I’m pulling for him and Clemson. It takes guts to go against the grain.

[AppStFan1]

No.
Who knows about their current finances.... however , historically, they can pay more than App. St
If no connection at either App or ECU, the coach is taking the higher paying job if other things are equal....

100% but with the buyout they owe him, could they possibly look to pay a little less with this coach like South Carolina did with Beamer after the Muschamp buyout? What is their money situation like? I asked the question because if we have the same coach in mind and had made a change earlier we could have possibly beat them to getting something done. Is there another G5 school who could be making a change that they had the thought of beating out?

[BambooRdApp]

No.
Who knows about their current finances.... however , historically, they can pay more than App. St
If no connection at either App or ECU, the coach is taking the higher paying job if other things are equal....

100% but with the buyout they owe him, could they possibly look to pay a little less with this coach like South Carolina did with Beamer after the Muschamp buyout? What is their money situation like? I asked the question because if we have the same coach in mind and had made a change earlier we could have possibly beat them to getting something done. Is there another G5 school who could be making a change that they had the thought of beating out?

We have the issue, buyout issue. Our resources are less than theirs... Add a buyout to it, means less we pay less too ..
I love App St., but we are not coveted from a "paying a coach" perspective and assistants.

[spacemonkey]

The Army offense looks like a new offensive scheme and it is big on the quarterback running. As I have said a hundred times on here....my college team would have a running quarterback that can throw a wide open pass.

[AppStFan1]

We gave a mountaineer a chance. He hasn’t been altogether awful but he has failed to uphold the standard. So the question is, what are we trying to do here…be a place where former players can find gainful employment or be an elite football program?

It used to be both.

That is true. For those who say we have so many reasons why we have struggled and blame NIL or portal I think they need to look at Army and Navy. Both of those programs have many reasons why they should not be ranked, win 10+ games, etc but their coaches have them doing that. We can do it without a ton of spending but we have to be a lot better with high school recruiting. I hate to even say this but if we do move on from Clark I won't be worried if we lose most of the current commits. I have no faith in our high school recruiting these days and I use to.

Four programs did not take transfers this year: Clemson, Army, Navy and Air Force.

It’s not the only reason, but Army and Navy have chemistry and consistency that other programs do not have in the current environment. I don’t know that we can duplicate that approach.

I also doubt NIL is a factor at the service academies.

That is the point. They don't do NIL and they don't go into the portal. They are a little different in that those players are going to the military but the point is there are athletes out there we can win with that don't require 500k a year and we don't have to bring in 15-20 portal players every year. We need to do a better job of high school recruiting. If we keep just signing 12-15 players a year and only half of them pan out then we have a really small class of players who bought into our culture that pan out. We should be signing more than 20 high school players every year while many other schools are focusing so much on the portal. There has to be high school players out there who are really being undervalued that we can land because of it.

[AppStFan1]

No.
Who knows about their current finances.... however , historically, they can pay more than App. St
If no connection at either App or ECU, the coach is taking the higher paying job if other things are equal....

100% but with the buyout they owe him, could they possibly look to pay a little less with this coach like South Carolina did with Beamer after the Muschamp buyout? What is their money situation like? I asked the question because if we have the same coach in mind and had made a change earlier we could have possibly beat them to getting something done. Is there another G5 school who could be making a change that they had the thought of beating out?

We have the issue, buyout issue. Our resources are less than theirs... Add a buyout to it, means less we pay less too ..
I love App St., but we are not coveted from a "paying a coach" perspective and assistants.

We can get a good coach. We have to get a program builder from FCS or a G5 coordinator. We are not going to be able to pay what a P4 coordinator is looking for and that is okay. I would think we should be looking at the coordinators at Army, Navy, Memphis, Boise State, UNLV, or a head coach from FCS.

[DenverOfTheEast]

So embarrassing. The mighty have fallen.

The mighty???? Camellia Bowl lifers are calling themself Mighty.


Sorry -- I know what you mean, I'm just being a Sunday troll after returning from South America after being away the past 4 days.

[BambooRdApp]

No.
Who knows about their current finances.... however , historically, they can pay more than App. St
If no connection at either App or ECU, the coach is taking the higher paying job if other things are equal....

100% but with the buyout they owe him, could they possibly look to pay a little less with this coach like South Carolina did with Beamer after the Muschamp buyout? What is their money situation like? I asked the question because if we have the same coach in mind and had made a change earlier we could have possibly beat them to getting something done. Is there another G5 school who could be making a change that they had the thought of beating out?

We have the issue, buyout issue. Our resources are less than theirs... Add a buyout to it, means less we pay less too ..
I love App St., but we are not coveted from a "paying a coach" perspective and assistants.

We can get a good coach. We have to get a program builder from FCS or a G5 coordinator. We are not going to be able to pay what a P4 coordinator is looking for and that is okay. I would think we should be looking at the coordinators at Army, Navy, Memphis, Boise State, UNLV, or a head coach from FCS.

Did not say we could not. But more than likely not the coach that ECU will be looking at...that was the premise of the original comment

[AppStFan1]

No.
Who knows about their current finances.... however , historically, they can pay more than App. St
If no connection at either App or ECU, the coach is taking the higher paying job if other things are equal....

100% but with the buyout they owe him, could they possibly look to pay a little less with this coach like South Carolina did with Beamer after the Muschamp buyout? What is their money situation like? I asked the question because if we have the same coach in mind and had made a change earlier we could have possibly beat them to getting something done. Is there another G5 school who could be making a change that they had the thought of beating out?

We have the issue, buyout issue. Our resources are less than theirs... Add a buyout to it, means less we pay less too ..
I love App St., but we are not coveted from a "paying a coach" perspective and assistants.

We can get a good coach. We have to get a program builder from FCS or a G5 coordinator. We are not going to be able to pay what a P4 coordinator is looking for and that is okay. I would think we should be looking at the coordinators at Army, Navy, Memphis, Boise State, UNLV, or a head coach from FCS.

Did not say we could not. But more than likely not the coach that ECU will be looking at...that was the premise of the original comment

I will be curious to see who they target. There are plenty of good options if we decide to make a change. Hopefully Shawn can turn it around but I just see so many struggles that I have doubts he can this year. The good news is we could win any of our remaining games but the bad news is we could lose any of them as well.

[T-Dog]

There was a lot of noise from those closest the staff about how the struggles of 2022 were Drinkwitz's fault because of his recruiting class.

Guess that means Clark shouldn't get as much credit for the 9-3 and 10-4 records in his first two years.

[AppStFan1]

There was a lot of noise from those closest the staff about how the struggles of 2022 were Drinkwitz's fault because of his recruiting class.

Guess that means Clark shouldn't get as much credit for the 9-3 and 10-4 records in his first two years.

That is a fair way to look at it. Regardless, 2024 is fully on Clark and his staff.

[huskie3]

Regarding NIL at the service academies, in addiction to the scholarship all students receive a small salary as they are members of their service and employees of the academy.

[Pikapp79]

Regarding NIL at the service academies, in addiction to the scholarship all students receive a small salary as they are members of their service and employees of the academy.

Never enough for individuals preparing to put their life on the line to keep our freedom.