FB at No. 24 JMU, 3:30 p.m., ESPN+

[311neers]

If playoffs are the long term goal, it might be time to get out of the Sun Belt.

JMU still not even ranked in the college football playoff after beating us by 50. 8-2 Tulane is ahead of them. And probably North Texas.

[Saint3333]

Making observations of what isn't going well while understanding full well that DL is our coach for through 2027 is where I'm at. Pulling for him and staff to turn this thing around and would love for it to start Saturday. I'll be there rain or shine.

[Bootsy]

We were 4-2 and looking like a lock for bowl qualification. Then Shawn Collins and Thomas Davis — arguably our two best defensive players — each made selfish decisions and got kicked off the team. At about the same time, Jayden Ramsey, Trent Ramsey and Izayah Cummings — three of our most promising offensive players — went out with injuries, two of them season-ending. Injuries happen to every team, but if you were looking for improvement over the course of the season, then you haven’t been paying attention.

People have to remember this stuff. Clark did not enforce any type of accountability. I'm not saying Loggains is going to turn it all around but simply saying that he inherited a total mess, which Clark did not. We have seen some improvements. We have some folks here and on 247 who never wanted Loggains, don't want him to succeed because their initial thought is that he would not, and they were never going to like the guy who replaced an App legend. We have to give it some time. If we are 4-8 in year 3 then I will agree and call for his job.

I'm writing down the usernames of those who are arguing with me and liking the posts of those who are as well. I am going to hold them accountable next year or in 2027 if it looks like they need to eat crow. I might join them but will need to see ample evidence. We have to give Loggains a fair chance.

It's a message border of couch potatoes..you think people really care if someone is keeping receipts. I may disagree with a position on this coach or that coach. It is an opinion at the time. Announcing of taking names on a message board is so 2nd grade. If Loggains is still here and turns it around, one just makes a simple post...Great job coach...

I am marking names to remind you guys, if wrong, that it is why you should not jump to firing someone. Loggains is a human being with a family. His family could read this stuff. I think it is fair game when a coach deserves it but he has had to kick top players off the team, injuries decimated the OL, and he is in his first year. People who are wanting his head now and not willing to let it play out are childish and thinking in the moment. Those who are wanting him fired need to relax and give him a chance. If we get to year 3 and are missing bowl games I will be among the loudest but I am also among the level headed who believe we need to give it a real chance.

You also have to consider the finances. The only people who should be calling for anyone's job should be the ones with the money to pay the buyout. We are not even through year one. People need to relax.

Pot, meet kettle.

[appgrad95&97]

If playoffs are the long term goal, it might be time to get out of the Sun Belt.

I'm afraid JMU is going to beat us there too.

[Bigdaddyg1]

If playoffs are the long term goal, it might be time to get out of the Sun Belt.

JMU still not even ranked in the college football playoff after beating us by 50. 8-2 Tulane is ahead of them. And probably North Texas.

Tulane and App are statistically dead even on defense as far as total yards and YPG. What’s that say about the #24 team and possible playoff team?

The G5 solution is so simple, redo the conferences down to probably 3 all regionalized. Too watered down now. CUSA is a glorified FCS as is the MAC. Sunbelt is probably half FCS level.

[BambooRdApp]

We were 4-2 and looking like a lock for bowl qualification. Then Shawn Collins and Thomas Davis — arguably our two best defensive players — each made selfish decisions and got kicked off the team. At about the same time, Jayden Ramsey, Trent Ramsey and Izayah Cummings — three of our most promising offensive players — went out with injuries, two of them season-ending. Injuries happen to every team, but if you were looking for improvement over the course of the season, then you haven’t been paying attention.

People have to remember this stuff. Clark did not enforce any type of accountability. I'm not saying Loggains is going to turn it all around but simply saying that he inherited a total mess, which Clark did not. We have seen some improvements. We have some folks here and on 247 who never wanted Loggains, don't want him to succeed because their initial thought is that he would not, and they were never going to like the guy who replaced an App legend. We have to give it some time. If we are 4-8 in year 3 then I will agree and call for his job.

I'm writing down the usernames of those who are arguing with me and liking the posts of those who are as well. I am going to hold them accountable next year or in 2027 if it looks like they need to eat crow. I might join them but will need to see ample evidence. We have to give Loggains a fair chance.

It's a message border of couch potatoes..you think people really care if someone is keeping receipts. I may disagree with a position on this coach or that coach. It is an opinion at the time. Announcing of taking names on a message board is so 2nd grade. If Loggains is still here and turns it around, one just makes a simple post...Great job coach...

I am marking names to remind you guys, if wrong, that it is why you should not jump to firing someone. Loggains is a human being with a family. His family could read this stuff. I think it is fair game when a coach deserves it but he has had to kick top players off the team, injuries decimated the OL, and he is in his first year. People who are wanting his head now and not willing to let it play out are childish and thinking in the moment. Those who are wanting him fired need to relax and give him a chance. If we get to year 3 and are missing bowl games I will be among the loudest but I am also among the level headed who believe we need to give it a real chance.

You also have to consider the finances. The only people who should be calling for anyone's job should be the ones with the money to pay the buyout. We are not even through year one. People need to relax.

Okay Santa Claus. Make the list and check it twice

[AppStFan1]

We were 4-2 and looking like a lock for bowl qualification. Then Shawn Collins and Thomas Davis — arguably our two best defensive players — each made selfish decisions and got kicked off the team. At about the same time, Jayden Ramsey, Trent Ramsey and Izayah Cummings — three of our most promising offensive players — went out with injuries, two of them season-ending. Injuries happen to every team, but if you were looking for improvement over the course of the season, then you haven’t been paying attention.

People have to remember this stuff. Clark did not enforce any type of accountability. I'm not saying Loggains is going to turn it all around but simply saying that he inherited a total mess, which Clark did not. We have seen some improvements. We have some folks here and on 247 who never wanted Loggains, don't want him to succeed because their initial thought is that he would not, and they were never going to like the guy who replaced an App legend. We have to give it some time. If we are 4-8 in year 3 then I will agree and call for his job.

I'm writing down the usernames of those who are arguing with me and liking the posts of those who are as well. I am going to hold them accountable next year or in 2027 if it looks like they need to eat crow. I might join them but will need to see ample evidence. We have to give Loggains a fair chance.

I would love to see him succeed it would be stupid not to. With that said where have you seen improvement? If my name goes on that list will it be on my permanent record?

He had to kick off some star players, major injuries on the OL, and he inherited a mess. Some people just come on here to cry and moan and call for a man's job that they can't afford to buyout. What is the point of it? A lot of people are making themselves look really bad.

It is completely fair to point out the things we need to improve for next year and be critical but calling for his job at this point is just unfair. I might join you guys in being really critical here in a year or two but my goodness can't we give him one full off-season and a fair chance before jumping to conclusions.

Keep in mind, there were Missouri fans who wanted Drink out after year 2 and look what happened there. Everyone needs to relax and stop trying to tar and feather the man in his first year. We also had fans who wanted Satterfield fired by the end of his first year and look how that turned out?

[AppStFan1]

We were 4-2 and looking like a lock for bowl qualification. Then Shawn Collins and Thomas Davis — arguably our two best defensive players — each made selfish decisions and got kicked off the team. At about the same time, Jayden Ramsey, Trent Ramsey and Izayah Cummings — three of our most promising offensive players — went out with injuries, two of them season-ending. Injuries happen to every team, but if you were looking for improvement over the course of the season, then you haven’t been paying attention.

People have to remember this stuff. Clark did not enforce any type of accountability. I'm not saying Loggains is going to turn it all around but simply saying that he inherited a total mess, which Clark did not. We have seen some improvements. We have some folks here and on 247 who never wanted Loggains, don't want him to succeed because their initial thought is that he would not, and they were never going to like the guy who replaced an App legend. We have to give it some time. If we are 4-8 in year 3 then I will agree and call for his job.

I'm writing down the usernames of those who are arguing with me and liking the posts of those who are as well. I am going to hold them accountable next year or in 2027 if it looks like they need to eat crow. I might join them but will need to see ample evidence. We have to give Loggains a fair chance.

It's a message border of couch potatoes..you think people really care if someone is keeping receipts. I may disagree with a position on this coach or that coach. It is an opinion at the time. Announcing of taking names on a message board is so 2nd grade. If Loggains is still here and turns it around, one just makes a simple post...Great job coach...

I am marking names to remind you guys, if wrong, that it is why you should not jump to firing someone. Loggains is a human being with a family. His family could read this stuff. I think it is fair game when a coach deserves it but he has had to kick top players off the team, injuries decimated the OL, and he is in his first year. People who are wanting his head now and not willing to let it play out are childish and thinking in the moment. Those who are wanting him fired need to relax and give him a chance. If we get to year 3 and are missing bowl games I will be among the loudest but I am also among the level headed who believe we need to give it a real chance.

You also have to consider the finances. The only people who should be calling for anyone's job should be the ones with the money to pay the buyout. We are not even through year one. People need to relax.

Is this a joke? We can’t criticize him because he has a family that may read this message board? Please tell me you are joking if not this so the most ridiculous thing that’s been posted on this thread. And there have been zero improvements. There has only been a Steady regression as the season has worn on. And the folks that didn’t love the hire look pretty smart about now. You can shill for him all you want, but the excuses don’t change what honest people see with their own two eyes

I am not shilling for him. I am saying we need to give him a fair chance. The problem is that he is not one of our own and people just want to pile on too early to make themselves think they were right about the hire to start. I was not in love with the hire at first either but we need to give him a chance.

I am seeing we have some really nasty people in our fan base. Some people said awful things to Clark and his family and are doing the same with Loggains.

If you guys think the hire was so bad and you want him gone then I suggest paying the buyout. If you can't afford to do that then what is the point?

[AppStFan1]

We were 4-2 and looking like a lock for bowl qualification. Then Shawn Collins and Thomas Davis — arguably our two best defensive players — each made selfish decisions and got kicked off the team. At about the same time, Jayden Ramsey, Trent Ramsey and Izayah Cummings — three of our most promising offensive players — went out with injuries, two of them season-ending. Injuries happen to every team, but if you were looking for improvement over the course of the season, then you haven’t been paying attention.

People have to remember this stuff. Clark did not enforce any type of accountability. I'm not saying Loggains is going to turn it all around but simply saying that he inherited a total mess, which Clark did not. We have seen some improvements. We have some folks here and on 247 who never wanted Loggains, don't want him to succeed because their initial thought is that he would not, and they were never going to like the guy who replaced an App legend. We have to give it some time. If we are 4-8 in year 3 then I will agree and call for his job.

I'm writing down the usernames of those who are arguing with me and liking the posts of those who are as well. I am going to hold them accountable next year or in 2027 if it looks like they need to eat crow. I might join them but will need to see ample evidence. We have to give Loggains a fair chance.

It's a message border of couch potatoes..you think people really care if someone is keeping receipts. I may disagree with a position on this coach or that coach. It is an opinion at the time. Announcing of taking names on a message board is so 2nd grade. If Loggains is still here and turns it around, one just makes a simple post...Great job coach...

I am marking names to remind you guys, if wrong, that it is why you should not jump to firing someone. Loggains is a human being with a family. His family could read this stuff. I think it is fair game when a coach deserves it but he has had to kick top players off the team, injuries decimated the OL, and he is in his first year. People who are wanting his head now and not willing to let it play out are childish and thinking in the moment. Those who are wanting him fired need to relax and give him a chance. If we get to year 3 and are missing bowl games I will be among the loudest but I am also among the level headed who believe we need to give it a real chance.

You also have to consider the finances. The only people who should be calling for anyone's job should be the ones with the money to pay the buyout. We are not even through year one. People need to relax.

Pot, meet kettle.

I am not the one jumping on here calling for a man's job after 10 games acting like children. I can see we have some issues just like the rest of you but I am just saying we need to give him a fair amount of time to fix those issues. Even if Gillin wanted to fire him right now the buyout is just not a reasonable thing for us to do now. Even if we fired Gillin the next AD would have to give Loggains some time. It is just funny to me how the most impatient people are the ones who can't afford the buyout. I was calling for change from Clark in year 4, not 10 games in. Keep in mind that Clark inherited a ranked team while Loggains inherited a complete mess.

[AppStFan1]

If playoffs are the long term goal, it might be time to get out of the Sun Belt.

JMU still not even ranked in the college football playoff after beating us by 50. 8-2 Tulane is ahead of them. And probably North Texas.

Tulane and App are statistically dead even on defense as far as total yards and YPG. What’s that say about the #24 team and possible playoff team?

The G5 solution is so simple, redo the conferences down to probably 3 all regionalized. Too watered down now. CUSA is a glorified FCS as is the MAC. Sunbelt is probably half FCS level.

This is so true. More than have the schools who make up CUSA, MAC, and SBC probably should be dropped back down to FCS.

[AppSt94]

People have to remember this stuff. Clark did not enforce any type of accountability. I'm not saying Loggains is going to turn it all around but simply saying that he inherited a total mess, which Clark did not. We have seen some improvements. We have some folks here and on 247 who never wanted Loggains, don't want him to succeed because their initial thought is that he would not, and they were never going to like the guy who replaced an App legend. We have to give it some time. If we are 4-8 in year 3 then I will agree and call for his job.

I'm writing down the usernames of those who are arguing with me and liking the posts of those who are as well. I am going to hold them accountable next year or in 2027 if it looks like they need to eat crow. I might join them but will need to see ample evidence. We have to give Loggains a fair chance.

It's a message border of couch potatoes..you think people really care if someone is keeping receipts. I may disagree with a position on this coach or that coach. It is an opinion at the time. Announcing of taking names on a message board is so 2nd grade. If Loggains is still here and turns it around, one just makes a simple post...Great job coach...

I am marking names to remind you guys, if wrong, that it is why you should not jump to firing someone. Loggains is a human being with a family. His family could read this stuff. I think it is fair game when a coach deserves it but he has had to kick top players off the team, injuries decimated the OL, and he is in his first year. People who are wanting his head now and not willing to let it play out are childish and thinking in the moment. Those who are wanting him fired need to relax and give him a chance. If we get to year 3 and are missing bowl games I will be among the loudest but I am also among the level headed who believe we need to give it a real chance.

You also have to consider the finances. The only people who should be calling for anyone's job should be the ones with the money to pay the buyout. We are not even through year one. People need to relax.

Is this a joke? We can’t criticize him because he has a family that may read this message board? Please tell me you are joking if not this so the most ridiculous thing that’s been posted on this thread. And there have been zero improvements. There has only been a Steady regression as the season has worn on. And the folks that didn’t love the hire look pretty smart about now. You can shill for him all you want, but the excuses don’t change what honest people see with their own two eyes

I am not shilling for him. I am saying we need to give him a fair chance. The problem is that he is not one of our own and people just want to pile on too early to make themselves think they were right about the hire to start. I was not in love with the hire at first either but we need to give him a chance.

I am seeing we have some really nasty people in our fan base. Some people said awful things to Clark and his family and are doing the same with Loggains.

If you guys think the hire was so bad and you want him gone then I suggest paying the buyout. If you can't afford to do that then what is the point?

Who exactly has said that he needs to be fired? Show us your Epstein list of who said that. I’m not condoning it but fans are going to fan because they can’t afford therapy. Folks were putting For Sale signs in Satterfield’s yard. Those same folks would give their left testicle to get him back now.

Forget the on the field results, Loggains isn’t winning any allies in Boone. His actions and demeanor suggests that he doesn’t want to be here. He shows little interest in engaging the folks that show up to Mountaineer Talk. He talks about being an outsider but makes very little effort to try and be an insider. His hiring practices are suspect. Hiring the 24 year old son of a former NFL GM to be your GM is odd. You don’t have to like Thomas Guerry, but his resume is more impressive than a kid fresh out of college to take over such an important role.

I’ll give him a chance. Even if I could write the check,I wouldn’t. Doug and the BoT hired this guy. But in my opinion, he was a bad hire.

[Stonewall]

He has another year , I am not certain he has two.

[AppWyo]

Drinkwitz was a bad hire. He won all those games at the expense of our players and program and left a record that was unsustainable. Not to mention the players that Drinkwitz took with him. Clark tried to fix the mess that Drinkwitz made, and it got him fired. Loggains is doing the best with the mess that Drinkwitz made of Appalachian Football.

[rbarthle17]

If playoffs are the long term goal, it might be time to get out of the Sun Belt.

JMU still not even ranked in the college football playoff after beating us by 50. 8-2 Tulane is ahead of them. And probably North Texas.

Tulane and App are statistically dead even on defense as far as total yards and YPG. What’s that say about the #24 team and possible playoff team?

The G5 solution is so simple, redo the conferences down to probably 3 all regionalized. Too watered down now. CUSA is a glorified FCS as is the MAC. Sunbelt is probably half FCS level.

This is so true. More than have the schools who make up CUSA, MAC, and SBC probably should be dropped back down to FCS.

Be careful what you wish for. You won't like what side of that fence we would end up on if that happened.

[JTApps1]

Drinkwitz was a bad hire. He won all those games at the expense of our players and program and left a record that was unsustainable. Not to mention the players that Drinkwitz took with him. Clark tried to fix the mess that Drinkwitz made, and it got him fired. Loggains is doing the best with the mess that Drinkwitz made of Appalachian Football.

Loggains appears to be TEMU version of Drink. All the negatives without the on field success.

[BambooRdApp]

Hindsight is 20/20 vision for the collateral effects after. I do not believe that our AD thought Drink would be here for just a year. If he did, then I question that strategy. Like JMU, coaches will come and go and not be here for long tenures... especially if successful as the dollars at Power schools are almost impossible to pass. However, I have to or want to believe AD thought Drink would be here for more than a year. If he did think for only one year, I, personally, have concerns with that thought process (not that he cares what I think). Seems sacrificing the long term stability of App. St. for potentially one good year record wise. AD does not have that crystal ball
And, like current situation, I believe did not have head coaching experience. If he did, I do not remember it

[rbarthle17]

Drinkwitz was a bad hire. He won all those games at the expense of our players and program and left a record that was unsustainable. Not to mention the players that Drinkwitz took with him. Clark tried to fix the mess that Drinkwitz made, and it got him fired. Loggains is doing the best with the mess that Drinkwitz made of Appalachian Football.

He won with Satterfield's guys. And I still hold that, assuming Loggains doesn't turn it around, the worst thing currently happening in terms of the long term future of ASU football is that Satterfield has finally gotten his feet under him at the P4 level. If there is one person I would trust giving the keys to for a very long term deal, it would be him. His jump to Louisville, while 100% understandable and I doubt anyone didn't support it, was the beginning of the end of the golden era of our program.

[appvette]

Drinkwitz was a bad hire. He won all those games at the expense of our players and program and left a record that was unsustainable. Not to mention the players that Drinkwitz took with him. Clark tried to fix the mess that Drinkwitz made, and it got him fired. Loggains is doing the best with the mess that Drinkwitz made of Appalachian Football.

Is this satire? If not, please explain how you came to the conclusion that a one year coach of our best team ever is still causing issues 6 years later.

[rbarthle17]

Drinkwitz was a bad hire. He won all those games at the expense of our players and program and left a record that was unsustainable. Not to mention the players that Drinkwitz took with him. Clark tried to fix the mess that Drinkwitz made, and it got him fired. Loggains is doing the best with the mess that Drinkwitz made of Appalachian Football.

Is this satire? If not, please explain how you came to the conclusion that a one year coach of our best team ever is still causing issues 6 years later.

He inherited a race car from Satterfield, and the best thing you can say is he didn't drive it into the wall. He added nothing to the program, and jumped ship at first chance. I remember reading many second hand assertions that the players were not fond of him whatsoever.

Clearly he has found his footing in Missouri, though it took every bit of rope they gave him in terms of patience for him to put it together.

Looking for a positive, I will say he was a good in game play caller, and his riskier nature led us to some wins that made the season special. But that wasn't his players, and we will never know how good or bad a recruiter he would have been here.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Any players that Drink might have signed at App would be gone now. Since he left we had Covid, a ridiculous extra year for players, a transfer portal out of control, NIL that he had nothing to do with, a once in a lifetime weather disaster in the High Country, etc. He was never invested and reaped the rewards of a great roster but to blame the current situation on him is a massive stretch.