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Re: If we win...

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:42 am

I'll admit that I'm a little naive when it comes to NIL, but I thought the NIL had to come from organizations from outside the university, not directly from the university. Perhaps that has changed. But if not, the money we get from a Sun Belt team making the playoffs could not go into a NIL fund, rather help us with the East Side stands renovation.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:42 am

i'm fully pulling for JMU to make the playoffs, theres tangible and intangible benefits.

Tangible is the $$ already discussed.
Intangible-breaking the glass ceiling for sun belt teams to give us a more "equal" footing with AAC and PAC teams in the future. App will be 12-1 or 13-0 next year and if the playoff team from the previous year was a sun belt team it could factor in the bias of the committee.
Plus the AAC is easily having its best year since losing its top brands, and if it doesn't translate into a playoff experience it just plays into the overall feeling that the AAC is simply another G6 conference and not a cut above.
Seeing the conference distributions really shows how far behind the sun belt is. Theres no reason that ECU should be getting 4X+ distribution as us, when our national brand eclipses theirs at this point. Having playoff teams=eyeballs=negotiating power.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by ugmw177 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:52 am

i dont care if payout were 50MM, I would never be able to pull for JMU; actually they need to be busted back to FCS

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by AppDub » Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:55 am

I am absolutely pulling for JMU to make it to the playoffs...as spectators, riding a crappy bus to get there, sitting in the cheap seats, and getting rained on the whole time!

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by gsoappfan » Wed Nov 26, 2025 9:06 am

BallantyneApp wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:42 am
i'm fully pulling for JMU to make the playoffs, theres tangible and intangible benefits.

Tangible is the $$ already discussed.
Intangible-breaking the glass ceiling for sun belt teams to give us a more "equal" footing with AAC and PAC teams in the future. App will be 12-1 or 13-0 next year and if the playoff team from the previous year was a sun belt team it could factor in the bias of the committee.
Plus the AAC is easily having its best year since losing its top brands, and if it doesn't translate into a playoff experience it just plays into the overall feeling that the AAC is simply another G6 conference and not a cut above.
Seeing the conference distributions really shows how far behind the sun belt is. Theres no reason that ECU should be getting 4X+ distribution as us, when our national brand eclipses theirs at this point. Having playoff teams=eyeballs=negotiating power.
These are along my thoughts as well. We need someone from the SBC to break through. We want people talking positive about the conference we play in and get more recognition. I would love for it to be App but that's obviously not happening this year. Assuming JMU does make the playoffs, I don't want them getting boat raced. It just strengthens the arguement that the SBC/G6 doesn't belong and makes it harder for a deserving App team down the road to get in.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by 87ASUgrad » Wed Nov 26, 2025 9:25 am

I wouldn't mind going back to the Myrtle Beah Bowl again, but it shows an 11am kickoff time and I'm getting too old for them awesome App State tailgates that start at 5am!!
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Unread post by AppState89 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:14 pm

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One thing that would help all Sun Belt members is for JMU to make the playoffs. Means a hefty stocking stuffer at Christmas for Sun Belt programs and one fewer bowl destination to compete for.
I'm 100% pulling for JMU to make the playoffs.

1- It will bring in more money to the SBC than all the other bowl games combined, which App State will get part of that money.
** $4 million for each of the 12 teams that makes the College Football Playoff

2- It will help recruiting in the SBC

3- It will help recruit to App State
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Re: If we win...

Unread post by rbarthle17 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pm

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:18 pm
AppGrad78 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:00 pm
One thing that would help all Sun Belt members is for JMU to make the playoffs. Means a hefty stocking stuffer at Christmas for Sun Belt programs and one fewer bowl destination to compete for.
I cannot pull for JMU to make the CFP.
And I’m not sorry for saying it.
I consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by BallantyneApp » Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:33 pm

rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:18 pm
AppGrad78 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:00 pm
One thing that would help all Sun Belt members is for JMU to make the playoffs. Means a hefty stocking stuffer at Christmas for Sun Belt programs and one fewer bowl destination to compete for.
I cannot pull for JMU to make the CFP.
And I’m not sorry for saying it.
I consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.
I think there will be a functional shift soon, especially once the big/sec split or the p4 split.

I’m hoping we stay with jmu in either a new eastern league or the bones of another conference that gets eaten up by p2 consolidation

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by fjblair » Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:36 pm

AppWyo wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:09 am
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Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:01 am
To answer your question: About $214,000 ($3M divided by 14 Sun Belt teams) That’s probably more than enough to cover NIL money for the quarterback we’re going to need next season.

From the Great Google …

CFP payouts reward teams for advancing through the tournament, with a $4 million base for making the playoffs, another $4 million for the quarterfinals, and an additional $6 million for both the semifinals and the national championship game. Each participating team also receives $3 million per round to cover expenses. These funds are distributed to the team's conference, which then divides them among its member institutions.
Payout breakdown
Selection to CFP: $4 million for each of the 12 teams
Quarterfinals: An additional $4 million for advancing from the first round
Semifinals: An additional $6 million for reaching this stage
National Championship: An additional $6 million for each of the two finalists
Per-round expenses: $3 million for each round to cover travel and other costs
Conference and independent payouts
Conference teams: Payouts are distributed to their conferences, which then allocate the funds to member schools.
Independent teams: Independent institutions like Notre Dame keep all their earnings, which can give them a financial advantage over conference teams that have to share.
Example
A team that makes the CFP and advances to the semifinals will earn at least $10 million ($4 million for selection + $4 million for quarterfinals + $6 million for semifinals).
A team that wins the national championship could earn a total of $20 million ($4 million + $4 million + $6 million + $6 million), plus the $3 million per round expense money.
Not to mention all of the better recruits that would want to come to your conference because you have gone to the playoffs as well as better students to attend your university. It is a win win for everyone. No matter how much it hurts that it is not Appalachian. However, I believe we will get there because we have been on top of the mountain before. Our school is different because we are the Mountaineers. It is not just a metaphor or an analogy for us, it is real...
I doubt that would be the case.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by appfanjj » Wed Nov 26, 2025 1:25 pm

I would be OK with JMU going to the playoff this year. I do not care for them but will give credit where it is due if they go.
We need to reestablish ourselves as the premier SBC program so JMU and other schools will say about us what we are saying about them. It's up to us.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by WASU 93 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:13 pm

JMU has beaten one team with a winning record this year (Old Dominion). They do not have a signature win. They really don't have a playoff resume

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pm

rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:18 pm
AppGrad78 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:00 pm
One thing that would help all Sun Belt members is for JMU to make the playoffs. Means a hefty stocking stuffer at Christmas for Sun Belt programs and one fewer bowl destination to compete for.
I cannot pull for JMU to make the CFP.
And I’m not sorry for saying it.
I consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.
I do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.

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Re: If we win...

Unread post by appfanjj » Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:43 pm

WASU 93 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:13 pm
JMU has beaten one team with a winning record this year (Old Dominion). They do not have a signature win. They really don't have a playoff resume
I agree 100% but...
they are squarely in the conversation.

And furthermore, why are we even discussing them to this extent?

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Unread post by AppinVA » Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:43 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pm
rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:18 pm
AppGrad78 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:00 pm
One thing that would help all Sun Belt members is for JMU to make the playoffs. Means a hefty stocking stuffer at Christmas for Sun Belt programs and one fewer bowl destination to compete for.
I cannot pull for JMU to make the CFP.
And I’m not sorry for saying it.
I consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.
I do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.
Hell, Western has more resources than we do, according to some here. I don’t understand the poor-mouthing, but the “we’re not good, rich, have no business, etc. mindset, has been going on for at least the last 50 years.
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Re: If we win...

Unread post by AppGrad78 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:49 pm

t4pizza wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pm
rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:18 pm
AppGrad78 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:00 pm
One thing that would help all Sun Belt members is for JMU to make the playoffs. Means a hefty stocking stuffer at Christmas for Sun Belt programs and one fewer bowl destination to compete for.
I cannot pull for JMU to make the CFP.
And I’m not sorry for saying it.
I consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.
I do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.
JMU’s NIL budget for football is just under $5M. Our budget is around $1.3M. So yeah, JMU has vastly more resources.
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Re: If we win...

Unread post by AppWyo » Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:17 pm

JMU in the college football playoffs and App as well as the rest of the Sun Belt can use it as a recruiting tool. We need you to come to App to take down JMU.

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Unread post by BambooRdApp » Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:30 pm

I hope we are never using JMU as an incentive for a recruiting tool... Referencing to them to take them down is effectively stating to a recruit that they are better than us... I hope we never say that out loud to a recruit...
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Unread post by AppinVA » Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:55 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:30 pm
I hope we are never using JMU as an incentive for a recruiting tool... Referencing to them to take them down is effectively stating to a recruit that they are better than us... I hope we never say that out loud to a recruit...
To be fair, the Sun Belt teams used to say that about us.
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Re: If we win...

Unread post by t4pizza » Wed Nov 26, 2025 4:16 pm

AppGrad78 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:49 pm
t4pizza wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pm
rbarthle17 wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pm
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:18 pm

I cannot pull for JMU to make the CFP.
And I’m not sorry for saying it.
I consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.
I do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.
JMU’s NIL budget for football is just under $5M. Our budget is around $1.3M. So yeah, JMU has vastly more resources.
Where did you get that information from, that JMU has $5 Million NIL budget for football? I haven't been able to locate single source that states that with any certainty. I find it odd that a school that can't sell as many tickets or raise as much money can somehow dwarf our NIL. Where does the money come from? More importantly, who is reporting these numbers and are they accurate? Please share those links because I have looked and can't find anything that states numbers.

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