Sterling Gets NBA "Death Penalty" Banned for Life

[Appftw]

but why is that the most blighted areas of every city are almost always predominately black?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

It goes back much further than that.

Think about the homestead act for starters which helped establish a large number of white families in the Midwest but of course wasn't available to blacks. A similar program today would be seen as a much despised "hand-out". There's even the GI Bill, which was not afforded to blacks the same as it was to whites. They were hamstrung from the get-go (reconstruction), just like a black kid born in the inner city today.

[Maddog1956]

If there are any people that feel their forefathers are totally guiltless of racism they are free to omit themselves from my comment.

However, here is the definition for how I used "forefather" in that statement, - a member of the past generations of one's family or people; an ancestor. Kind of like when we say our founding fathers it doesn't really mean that we are all related to Ole George himself.

By your definition everyone has had slaves.

Every race at some point has enslaved others, so everyone's forefathers likely had slaves at some point. Some just more recent than others.

I will hold no judgment upon you for what your forefathers did, can you say the same?

First off if you're white and we're talking of white people in america (the way I took the meaning to be) we have the same forefathers (sorry but we do).

I never meant to say that I judged anyone forefathers. I think it was implied that some of us (me) feel guilty for what our forefathers did (or should feel guilty) and that's why are anti-racism. That's doesn't really fit me (but I didn't really care to argue that fact), so I stated that maybe it's more important to consider that since there is this general history of white people in america oppressing (I know that's a tough word but I can't think of a truer one) black people that maybe this is why there is a general sensitivity by those who were oppressed (or those that understand the history of oppression) to racist remarks.

However you are free to also excuse yourself from my statement if it offends you.

[bcoach]

The real shame of this whole deal is the attention it has gotten versus the attention real problems get. Minority teenagers dropping out of school. Minority children, or any children going to bed hungry. Kids killing themselves on the streets of Chicago and other places. This same idiot denying housing to minorities. These are the kind of things that deserve this amount of coverage. What we get though is hurt feelings of millionaire athletes. Do they have feelings and should they feel hurt? You bet. Racism is wrong for all social levels. But where is the outrage for those that can't drive away from the stadium in a Bentley? Where is the outrage over kids beating and on a rare occasion killing each other to steal a pair of shoes because one of these millionaires endorses them. If those stories get any press at all it is long forgotten history 24 hrs later. That should be the fate of this story.

bcoach - you are exactly right on all accounts - there are much bigger problems of racism and discrimination in this country that must be addressed but a situation like this one brings it to the forefront of our nation - at least for a couple of days --- Anything that helps, big or small, is a move in the right direction ---

That is very true but here is my fear in part due to a conversation I had with a minority friend of mine the day before all this happened. When we hammer down on people for these kinds of idiotic statements with all this attention and fanfare we send a message. That message comes out as don't ever voice a complaint about a minority or you get cut off at the knees. Now I sure don't defend the idiotic statements but it has had the result of us not talking openly with each other. She and I have very open conversations and as a result we come up with solutions to many problems. Minorities really do some really dumb crap and whites really do some dumb crap. We would all be a lot better off if we would have some open unheated, conversations. If we would take the politics out. Racism I will bet is about equal on both side of the isle. We will never find the solution till we are able to freely discuss the problem.
One thing that has amazed me is NOBODY has talked about him not having a problem with the tramp bringing guys home to sleep with just do not bring them to a game.

[Maddog1956]

Thanks
I'll consider myself omitted under your definition.

Whatever floats yer skirt!

It's not a skirt it is a kilt.

My bad, please accept my humblest of apologies. Not everyman will admit to wearing a dress, oops

[bcoach]

It's easy for Caucasian Americans to say that there is no longer racism in this country. We are not the targets, nor have we ever. We are not the subjects of profiling. Many of us were not alive when the Montgomery police unleashed dogs and water hoses on peaceful marchers looking for nothing more than the same rights granted to every white male in this country. Jesse Jackson and many of the older leaders not only remember, they lived through those experiences, so they have a legitimate reason to comment on both latent and systemic racial bias.

Sure, most of us can say that we don't discriminate....and we probably don't on a conscious level. However, you are only fooling yourself if you think racial hatred and discrimination does not still exist in this country.....on every side. Bringing it out in the open and discussing it is actually a healthy activity and, hopefully, will lead to further progress towards making us a truly free and open society.

Enough rambling...sorry.

You are not rambling at all. When we all can have open civil discussions with no repercussions from either side we will be close to the solution.

[bcoach]

Thanks
I'll consider myself omitted under your definition.

Whatever floats yer skirt!

It's not a skirt it is a kilt.

My bad, please accept my humblest of apologies. Not everyman will admit to wearing a dress, oops

I have some advise for you. If a big guy with red hair and a beard knocks at your door look down. If he is wearing a plaid THING around his lower self. DON"T OPEN THE DOOR!

[Maddog1956]

Thanks
I'll consider myself omitted under your definition.

Whatever floats yer skirt!

It's not a skirt it is a kilt.

My bad, please accept my humblest of apologies. Not everyman will admit to wearing a dress, oops

I have some advise for you. If a big guy with red hair and a beard knocks at your door look down. If he is wearing a plaid THING around his lower self. DON"T OPEN THE DOOR!

I may not be very smart, but I don't need to be told not to open my door to a man that don't have on pants or shorts.

Just kidding.

[bcoach]

I may not be very smart, but I don't need to be told not to open my door to a man that don't have on pants or shorts.

Just kidding.[/quote]
Careful. He is reading this.

[appbio91]

Again, this dude is scum and in the end I don't feel sorry for him but the former governor of Texas had ranch named N head, where's the outrage?

Not quite former Governor. He is still the governor until after November's election.

He's also working on being your next President. He's changing his image; new glasses; no more cowboy boots, and a third thing I just can't remember right now...OOPS!

You are right. He disappeared and I assumed he was history for now. I knew he would be back for another presidential run. If he is elected he will in fact be my president whether I like it or not. I am hoping for another Clinton term personally

[Gonzo]

I just wonder if Larry Johnson's (LJ) comments about forming an All Black League will receive any scrutiny from the NBA?

Isnt that essentially what the NBA is already. Not sure you need a new league for it. Like saying your going to start and all Caucasian NASCAR or NHL.

Well there is one difference. Heads would roll for the latter. Nothing will happen to Larry Johnson.

White racists are akin to pedophiles and serial killers. Black racists are mainstream.

You might get more sympathy for how persecuted you feel by all these "black racists" if racism wasn't as systemic as it STILL is in American society. Everything is hunky dory in race relations land for you, but why is that the most blighted areas of every city are almost always predominately black? It's because they have not been given a fair shot for a MULTITUDE of reasons. Your thin-skinned butthurt is kind of ridiculous.

Be careful to distinguish what I've actually said and the strawman created by a few on here of some history-denying racist.

My issue is with hurtful speech (that isn't unilateral), the double standard, preferential admissions policies that give people a leg up that they didn't earn etc. And it has nothing to do with what may or may not personally offend me.

Many of my African-American colleagues, here at the HBCU I attend, agree with me.

[Maddog1956]

Again, this dude is scum and in the end I don't feel sorry for him but the former governor of Texas had ranch named N head, where's the outrage?

Not quite former Governor. He is still the governor until after November's election.

He's also working on being your next President. He's changing his image; new glasses; no more cowboy boots, and a third thing I just can't remember right now...OOPS!

You are right. He disappeared and I assumed he was history for now. I knew he would be back for another presidential run. If he is elected he will in fact be my president whether I like it or not. I am hoping for another Clinton term personally

In all fairness to the Governor he said that the ranch was called that before they owned it, I guess it just a common name for things in texas. I guess like in NV, everything around Hoover is called Dam ____.

[Saint3333]

I feel bad for those that were oppressed, but those people are now old or dead.

In 2014 everyone in America has the opportunity to succeed. Time to move on.

[Maddog1956]

I feel bad for those that were oppressed, but those people are now old or dead.

In 2014 everyone in America has the opportunity to succeed. Time to move on.

Sterlings oppression affected many people that are alive and not old (still trying to figure why old people don't count, btw). I'm sure if he had been oppression white people you might not be so fast in wanting to move on.

[Watauga72]

I feel bad for those that were oppressed, but those people are now old or dead.

In 2014 everyone in America has the opportunity to succeed. Time to move on.

Oppression, or more appropriately discrimination, is not necessarily a conscious action or decision. People tend to want to be around people who are similar. In a social setting this in not really an issue. However, that principle applies to decisions such as hiring. People tend to hire those with whom they feel comfortable and connected. This can and does include a racial/ethnic element, which can and has caused hiring de facto discrimination.

The world is not and has never been a level playing field. Historically, white males have set the rules in our society and have dominated power and access to valuable resources. These cultural paradigms do not change quickly or without great resistance from those who may be required to cede or share dominance. It has only been within the past 50 years that African-Americans gained a true right to vote, and it was only brought about after the federal government forced states to chance through legislation and court rulings.

[WVAPPeer]

I feel bad for those that were oppressed, but those people are now old or dead.

In 2014 everyone in America has the opportunity to succeed. Time to move on.

Sterlings oppression affected many people that are alive and not old (still trying to figure why old people don't count, btw). I'm sure if he had been oppression white people you might not be so fast in wanting to move on.

Damn Right Maddog !!! - We need to set up a GAS unit ---
Geriatric Asskickers Society

Hey, the old brain is still working - pretty good - Huh?

[Maddog1956]

I feel bad for those that were oppressed, but those people are now old or dead.

In 2014 everyone in America has the opportunity to succeed. Time to move on.

Sterlings oppression affected many people that are alive and not old (still trying to figure why old people don't count, btw). I'm sure if he had been oppression white people you might not be so fast in wanting to move on.

Damn Right Maddog !!! - We need to set up a GAS unit ---
Geriatric Asskickers Society

Hey, the old brain is still working - pretty good - Huh?

Not bad for someone that has seen their better days in the rearview mirror! lol

I'm already in this old fart club...

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[Saint3333]

Old folks count, nice hyperbole statement guys. People that lived through segregation are now 55+, they are nearing their retirement years. They are facing age discrimination well before racial at this point in their lives.

People of every race have ample opportunity to succeed. I've applied for various jobs and hired half a dozen employees the last 18 months. The quality of resumes I've seen from all races has been outstanding and hired or promoted all categories during that time. Is every employer like mine, nope, but let's stop pretending it is 1970 around here. If the last time you applied for a job or hired someone is 15 years ago spare me what you believe the current hiring practices are.

I'm not naïve to not understand that people do tend to hire those like themselves, some places are worse than others, but that goes for all races.

[Maddog1956]

Old folks count, nice hyperbole statement guys. People that lived through segregation are now 55+, they are nearing their retirement years. They are facing age discrimination well before racial at this point in their lives.

People of every race have ample opportunity to succeed. I've applied for various jobs and hired half a dozen employees the last 18 months. The quality of resumes I've seen from all races has been outstanding and hired or promoted all categories during that time. Is every employer like mine, nope, but let's stop pretending it is 1970 around here. If the last time you applied for a job or hired someone is 15 years ago spare me what you believe the current hiring practices are.

I'm not naïve to not understand that people do tend to hire those like themselves, some places are worse than others, but that goes for all races.

Sorry you don't get it, like I said Sterling didn't refuse renting to minorities, 50 years ago, but less than 5 years ago so obviously discrimination isn't in the past.

You're clueless (or naive) if you believe a man that can't even stand the thought of his girl friend taking a picture with a black man would not discriminate (ok, not in BBall). So saying "discrimination is over or no one has been discriminated against in the last 50+ years" is just dead wrong. I hire people all the time and just because you don't personally discriminate (which I understand why you think that, because your level of what you call discrimination is so high as to say it's none existent) doesn't mean others don't do it.

In the end, you can choose to defend Sterling, believe that discrimination doesn't exist (as does Rush) and that old people don't matter. No one will ever change your mind it has already been imprinted. One thing is for sure however, if you're lucky you'll turn old and maybe get a chance to see some age discrimination first hand which might just change your mind a little about discrimination and age.

For some reason people that defend discrimination (or say that it doesn't exist) are usually the first to cry foul first when it happens to them.

[Saint3333]

Read what is written, at NO point have I defended that ahole, quite a leap to suggest such a thing. Also when did I become an advocate for age discrimination? READ and stop making assumptions.

You appear to be holding on to 1970.

Things are MUCH better today, yep there are still bigots out there, thanks for the news flash.

I know it happens, it will always happens. It happens from all sides.

Laws will always be broken by few. Stop trying to paint a board stroke is my point.

[Maddog1956]

Read what is written. You appear to be holding on to 1970.

Things are MUCH better today, yep there are still bigots out there, thanks for the news flash.

I know it happens, it will always happens. It happens from all sides.

Laws will always be broken by few. Stop trying to paint a board stroke is my point.

What "board" [sic] stoke, that racism still exist? I think that can be factually proven. That everyone is a racist...well I never said that. That racism was only a factor up till the 1950's...read the title of this thread, we would even have the thread, if a racist remark wasn't made. That racism happens on both sides...sure it does...does that make it right...of course not...is that a defense/excuse...of course not.