Ahh. Gotcha.WVAPPeer wrote:Oh - I don't think the panthers are out to kill the dreams of former App players at all - I realize it is a business but I was just telling you what I personally hold against them which in reality holds no water whatsoever ---
ASUMountaineer wrote:Ahh. Gotcha.WVAPPeer wrote:Oh - I don't think the panthers are out to kill the dreams of former App players at all - I realize it is a business but I was just telling you what I personally hold against them which in reality holds no water whatsoever ---
I was 12 when they announced the franchise. I have been a Panthers fan from day one. The only way I see that changing is if the team is moved.
If they could pay Jake $20 million to play for the Browns they could pay to keep Smith who at one time was the only wr on their team to have actually caught a TD in a game. I know that was another time, but it just shows how wacky they are. (I know they changed GM's but I think it has got worse not better). As far as money goes, why pay a guy to be 3rd string QB when he may never play and never move to first string. AE could have suited out as a return, wr or QB for very little money.EastHallApp wrote:I would disagree that they "gutted the roster" - they kept all the core guys except Smith, and he isn't really a #1 anymore. But to the extent they did, they answer is mostly that they couldn't afford to pay guys like Ginn, Mitchell, Munnerlyn etc. what other teams would. They don't have the cap room now, and more importantly, they need to clear room to sign Newton and Kuechly to long-term deals. They're already looking at probably losing Hardy after this season. Thank Hurney's bad contracts for that.philponder wrote:I hope they go 0-16. Why would you gut the roster of a team that went 12-4?
Delhomme was another of Hurney's mistakes. Say what you will about Gettleman, but he is not overpaying to keep his guys around. Fans are sentimental - myself included - but you just can't run a team that way in the NFL.Maddog1956 wrote:If they could pay Jake $20 million to play for the Browns they could pay to keep Smith who at one time was the only wr on their team to have actually caught a TD in a game. I know that was another time, but it just shows how wacky they are. (I know they changed GM's but I think it has got worse not better). As far as money goes, why pay a guy to be 3rd string QB when he may never play and never move to first string. AE could have suited out as a return, wr or QB for very little money.EastHallApp wrote:I would disagree that they "gutted the roster" - they kept all the core guys except Smith, and he isn't really a #1 anymore. But to the extent they did, they answer is mostly that they couldn't afford to pay guys like Ginn, Mitchell, Munnerlyn etc. what other teams would. They don't have the cap room now, and more importantly, they need to clear room to sign Newton and Kuechly to long-term deals. They're already looking at probably losing Hardy after this season. Thank Hurney's bad contracts for that.philponder wrote:I hope they go 0-16. Why would you gut the roster of a team that went 12-4?
My problem with the Panthers is that they are going to have to stop "building" the team and play some FB. About everytime they get one position decided they change out several other critical ones. (I know all teams pick up players every year, but usually they are filling a position or picking someone for the future). Fans and more important PSL owners are about tired of it. They want to see the team come together and play a few seasons as a team. Most players will extend at least one season at a lower cost if they know there are cap problems and they want to stay. If they don't want to stay you have to put a "F" tag on them and then you're really in trouble.
They looked like they had started putting something together and figuring out some players were in the wrong position last year so what do they do this year....change everything. Let face it Cam isn't a "hit anything on the field" type QB. He was just learning how to throw to his WR's and now he's has a new crew. He's going in with little practice and if it takes him a season or two to learn his receivers they'll be gone.
Blame Jerry Richardson for his loyalty to Marty Hurney. Hurney's contracts are what is causing Gettleman to do what he's doing. I have a lot more faith in Gettleman than Hurney. I've never worked for an NFL franchise, so for now I will defer to Gettleman.Maddog1956 wrote:If they could pay Jake $20 million to play for the Browns they could pay to keep Smith who at one time was the only wr on their team to have actually caught a TD in a game. I know that was another time, but it just shows how wacky they are. (I know they changed GM's but I think it has got worse not better). As far as money goes, why pay a guy to be 3rd string QB when he may never play and never move to first string. AE could have suited out as a return, wr or QB for very little money.EastHallApp wrote:I would disagree that they "gutted the roster" - they kept all the core guys except Smith, and he isn't really a #1 anymore. But to the extent they did, they answer is mostly that they couldn't afford to pay guys like Ginn, Mitchell, Munnerlyn etc. what other teams would. They don't have the cap room now, and more importantly, they need to clear room to sign Newton and Kuechly to long-term deals. They're already looking at probably losing Hardy after this season. Thank Hurney's bad contracts for that.philponder wrote:I hope they go 0-16. Why would you gut the roster of a team that went 12-4?
My problem with the Panthers is that they are going to have to stop "building" the team and play some FB. About everytime they get one position decided they change out several other critical ones. (I know all teams pick up players every year, but usually they are filling a position or picking someone for the future). Fans and more important PSL owners are about tired of it. They want to see the team come together and play a few seasons as a team. Most players will extend at least one season at a lower cost if they know there are cap problems and they want to stay. If they don't want to stay you have to put a "F" tag on them and then you're really in trouble.
They looked like they had started putting something together and figuring out some players were in the wrong position last year so what do they do this year....change everything. Let face it Cam isn't a "hit anything on the field" type QB. He was just learning how to throw to his WR's and now he's has a new crew. He's going in with little practice and if it takes him a season or two to learn his receivers they'll be gone.
If you don't want to root for the Panthers, don't. But, I think Gettleman is doing a fantastic job given what he inherited. Also, Jordan Gross retiring really hit the Panthers hard. Our OL will be a work in progress, but I applaud Gettleman for not paying Ginn and Mitchell what they got elsewhere.Agreed. Now, you could certainly take issue with Gettleman not drafting or signing any potential replacements for Gross, but I think he just felt he'd have to reach too much to draft any of the guys who were available, and that's another thing he just doesn't do (draft for need over value).ASUMountaineer wrote:
Blame Jerry Richardson for his loyalty to Marty Hurney. Hurney's contracts are what is causing Gettleman to do what he's doing. I have a lot more faith in Gettleman than Hurney. I've never worked for an NFL franchise, so for now I will defer to Gettleman.
IMO, this year's WR is an upgrade over last year's overall. Yeah, Smitty is gone, but he was not our best WR last year. Our best receiver last year was our TE!
Hole Fans don't surprise me in any form of rudeness or as being A-holesBoone Goon wrote:Diver, I think you're conpletely correct on all three players. AE got drafted into a bad situation that was compounded by how high he was picked. UNC fans piled on and it just went from bad to worse for him. He's been a classy kid through this whole thing. I hope he gets a chance to play in Canada. I'd love to see him work his magic!
As for DJ, I think he'll get picked up by week 3 after an injury depleted team needs a solid LB.
Fingers crossed for both of them.
