The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.wb247 wrote:Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
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I think most of them and the managers are paid. At the wery least they get free gear and a good recommendation for the resume.bcoach wrote:The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.wb247 wrote:Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/wb247 wrote:Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
I think this is the important part. (My bold.)
An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
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So if someone wanted to get creative with the legalese interpretation, could it be argued that what they do at the games is just something to do to keep tuned up between yearly competitions?McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/
I think this is the important part. (My bold.)
An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
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I think so as long as the competitions were a bit more regular. I don't think A competition would cut it, but 7 -8 events over a few month period would, along with some other things like standard rules, independent oversight. It that were to happen would they have time for the games they attend as support. Turning Cheer into a sport may kill cheer as a cheer squad.wb247 wrote:So if someone wanted to get creative with the legalese interpretation, could it be argued that what they do at the games is just something to do to keep tuned up between yearly competitions?McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/
I think this is the important part. (My bold.)
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Then we could start a women's roller derby team!McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/wb247 wrote:Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
I think this is the important part. (My bold.)
An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
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No they do not get paid, and put in many more hours than anyone in the program.huskie3 wrote:I think most of them and the managers are paid. At the wery least they get free gear and a good recommendation for the resume.bcoach wrote:The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.wb247 wrote:Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
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My daughter was paid for Sophmore - Senior year as head manager for women's basketball at unc following her freshman year as a volunteer, as were her staff of student managers.bcoach wrote:No they do not get paid, and put in many more hours than anyone in the program.huskie3 wrote:I think most of them and the managers are paid. At the wery least they get free gear and a good recommendation for the resume.bcoach wrote:The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.wb247 wrote:Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
BooneTown, what do you know of the matter.
Upon further investigation the student athletic trainers count their services as part of their clinical training. They are only compensated for housing and expenses for reporting before school starts, during breaks that school is not in session or when traveling with team.
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Student fees that women pay more of than men as they outnumber the men.bcoach wrote:and where would all athletic teams be without the student fees that women pay? When I hear that argument I have to laugh. Besides football what mens sport pays for it's self? What kind of action do you call that?BeauFoster wrote:Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".AppGrad78 wrote:Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
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Just to clarify it is the forced equality that makes me laugh for just the reason you have stated. The women carry more of the financial load.Yosef wrote:Student fees that women pay more of than men as they outnumber the men.bcoach wrote:and where would all athletic teams be without the student fees that women pay? When I hear that argument I have to laugh. Besides football what mens sport pays for it's self? What kind of action do you call that?BeauFoster wrote:Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".AppGrad78 wrote:Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.
Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.
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Saint3333 wrote:Not sure how many academic scholarships that are awarded by App but two weeks ago I participated in scholars weekend in which we invited over 250 students who interviewed for a variety of scholarships.
If our alumni gave back in a greater percentage we could offer many many more.
App gives out academic scholarships to more than 250 students, BUT (a big but) the majority of them are nothing close to a "full ride". I think there is something like 15 or so new full ride academic scholarships per year (Chancellor's Scholars) -- so 40-60 outstanding at a given point in time; freshman thru senior -- but then quite a good number of $500/yr, $1000/yr, $1,500/yr, $2000/yr, $2,500/yr kinds of academic scholarship amounts.