Towson drops...

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:17 am

wb247 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by huskie3 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:16 am

bcoach wrote:
wb247 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.
I think most of them and the managers are paid. At the wery least they get free gear and a good recommendation for the resume.
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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:50 pm

wb247 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/

I think this is the important part. (My bold.)

An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by wb247 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:30 pm

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/

I think this is the important part. (My bold.)

An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
So if someone wanted to get creative with the legalese interpretation, could it be argued that what they do at the games is just something to do to keep tuned up between yearly competitions?

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by McLeansvilleAppFan » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:40 pm

wb247 wrote:
McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/

I think this is the important part. (My bold.)

An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
So if someone wanted to get creative with the legalese interpretation, could it be argued that what they do at the games is just something to do to keep tuned up between yearly competitions?
I think so as long as the competitions were a bit more regular. I don't think A competition would cut it, but 7 -8 events over a few month period would, along with some other things like standard rules, independent oversight. It that were to happen would they have time for the games they attend as support. Turning Cheer into a sport may kill cheer as a cheer squad.
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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by 1ASU78 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:56 pm

McLeansvilleAppFan wrote:
wb247 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-574 ... t-a-sport/

I think this is the important part. (My bold.)

An activity can be considered a sport under Title IX if it has coaches, practices, competitions during a defined season and a governing organization. The activity also must have competition as its primary goal — not merely the support of other athletic teams.
Then we could start a women's roller derby team!

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:42 am

huskie3 wrote:
bcoach wrote:
wb247 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.
I think most of them and the managers are paid. At the wery least they get free gear and a good recommendation for the resume.
No they do not get paid, and put in many more hours than anyone in the program.

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by huskie3 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:14 am

bcoach wrote:
huskie3 wrote:
bcoach wrote:
wb247 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Or include cheerleading/dance in the the calculation. Maybe even band.

They train just as hard with the same expectations of excellence and they're expected to follow the schedule of more than just a single sport. Many are on or should be eligible for scholarship. Their contribution to athletics cannot be discounted. Count 'em.
The real crime is that trainers are not on scholarship.
I think most of them and the managers are paid. At the wery least they get free gear and a good recommendation for the resume.
No they do not get paid, and put in many more hours than anyone in the program.
My daughter was paid for Sophmore - Senior year as head manager for women's basketball at unc following her freshman year as a volunteer, as were her staff of student managers.
BooneTown, what do you know of the matter.

Upon further investigation the student athletic trainers count their services as part of their clinical training. They are only compensated for housing and expenses for reporting before school starts, during breaks that school is not in session or when traveling with team.
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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by Yosef » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:05 pm

bcoach wrote:
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Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?
Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".
and where would all athletic teams be without the student fees that women pay? When I hear that argument I have to laugh. Besides football what mens sport pays for it's self? What kind of action do you call that?
Student fees that women pay more of than men as they outnumber the men.

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:04 pm

Yosef wrote:
bcoach wrote:
BeauFoster wrote:
AppGrad78 wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:If we stay at this level I'd be more concerned with a reduction in football scholarships than dropping sports.

Wrestling and Men's soccer are dying sports at the Div 1 college level. We all know who is to blame for that.

The solution - exclude football from the calculation.
Title IX is a fair and reasonable way to allocate athletic scholarships across genders. There's no point in blaming women for it. Just because you are a male and you think you're more passionate about sports than women, that doesn't mean you should have greater opportunity at an athletic scholarship. And why exactly should football be excluded from the equation?
Title IX is nothin more than Affirmative Action for sports. It's "forced equality".
and where would all athletic teams be without the student fees that women pay? When I hear that argument I have to laugh. Besides football what mens sport pays for it's self? What kind of action do you call that?
Student fees that women pay more of than men as they outnumber the men.
Just to clarify it is the forced equality that makes me laugh for just the reason you have stated. The women carry more of the financial load.

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Re: Towson drops...

Unread post by MountainMan » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:55 am

Saint3333 wrote:Not sure how many academic scholarships that are awarded by App but two weeks ago I participated in scholars weekend in which we invited over 250 students who interviewed for a variety of scholarships.

If our alumni gave back in a greater percentage we could offer many many more.

App gives out academic scholarships to more than 250 students, BUT (a big but) the majority of them are nothing close to a "full ride". I think there is something like 15 or so new full ride academic scholarships per year (Chancellor's Scholars) -- so 40-60 outstanding at a given point in time; freshman thru senior -- but then quite a good number of $500/yr, $1000/yr, $1,500/yr, $2000/yr, $2,500/yr kinds of academic scholarship amounts.

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