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Re: College Hoops Silly Season Has Begun

Unread post by asu66 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:58 am

spong wrote:The VMI job is now open. Duggar to Citadel is official.

I would think Jason Allison will be seriously considered for that job. He was the recruiting coordinator there before taking this job.
:shock: P-l-e-a-s-e brush that dirt off your keyboard. We're two weeks from the start of the late signing period and TTBOOK, we have three about-to-be-vacant scholarships and zero public commitments.

I actually don't want to hamper Allison's career progress in any way; but this is a dreadful time to lose him.
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Re: College Hoops Silly Season Has Begun

Unread post by asu66 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:00 am

Gregg Marshall spurns Alabama; will sign looong extension at Wichita State.

http://hoopdirt.com/blog/1a1e2810/hot-g ... ita-state/
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Unread post by firemoose » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:31 am

asu66 wrote: :shock: P-l-e-a-s-e brush that dirt off your keyboard. We're two weeks from the start of the late signing period and TTBOOK, we have three about-to-be-vacant scholarships and zero public commitments.

I actually don't want to hamper Allison's career progress in any way; but this is a dreadful time to lose him.
Actually April 15th through May 20th is the Regular signing period for Basketball, not the late period. What happened Nov 12th through Nov 19th is known as the early signing period. The NCAA NLI page with dates for this academic year is linked below. I was updating the 2015 Basketball page until the football offer just came in that I'm working on right now but so far everyone listed has not committed anywhere yet. I'll finish that and add or subtract reported offers as soon as I post the FB offer.

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Re: College Hoops Silly Season Has Begun

Unread post by asu66 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:49 am

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asu66 wrote: :shock: P-l-e-a-s-e brush that dirt off your keyboard. We're two weeks from the start of the late signing period and TTBOOK, we have three about-to-be-vacant scholarships and zero public commitments.

I actually don't want to hamper Allison's career progress in any way; but this is a dreadful time to lose him.
Actually April 15th through May 20th is the Regular signing period for Basketball, not the late period. What happened Nov 12th through Nov 19th is known as the early signing period. The NCAA NLI page with dates for this academic year is linked below. I was updating the 2015 Basketball page until the football offer just came in that I'm working on right now but so far everyone listed has not committed anywhere yet. I'll finish that and add or subtract reported offers as soon as I post the FB offer.

http://www.nationalletter.org/
Semantics! C'mon, Moose, it's the late signing period for Fall 2015 signees. It's the first signing period of this year.

I just want those scholarships filled with immediate impact talent. I get nervous when we get to April w/o strong verbal commits for the fall. I'm *ill-prepared* for us to go into May, June or July without the roster being filled. The crop of prospects we can attract is already preciously thin.
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Re: College Hoops Silly Season Has Begun

Unread post by firemoose » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:32 pm

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firemoose wrote:
asu66 wrote: :shock: P-l-e-a-s-e brush that dirt off your keyboard. We're two weeks from the start of the late signing period and TTBOOK, we have three about-to-be-vacant scholarships and zero public commitments.

I actually don't want to hamper Allison's career progress in any way; but this is a dreadful time to lose him.
Actually April 15th through May 20th is the Regular signing period for Basketball, not the late period. What happened Nov 12th through Nov 19th is known as the early signing period. The NCAA NLI page with dates for this academic year is linked below. I was updating the 2015 Basketball page until the football offer just came in that I'm working on right now but so far everyone listed has not committed anywhere yet. I'll finish that and add or subtract reported offers as soon as I post the FB offer.

http://www.nationalletter.org/
Semantics! C'mon, Moose, it's the late signing period for Fall 2015 signees. It's the first signing period of this year.

I just want those scholarships filled with immediate impact talent. I get nervous when we get to April w/o strong verbal commits for the fall. I'm *ill-prepared* for us to go into May, June or July without the roster being filled. The crop of prospects we can attract is already preciously thin.
Chuck, It's not semantics and I wasn't busting on you. I was simply stating a fact. The early signing period is only a week. Why? Because it's at the start of the season and coaches are prepping for that, not out recruiting. Our staff has been out recruiting since the end of our season. The NCAA classes this upcoming period as the REGULAR signing period, not first of the year. These are not my terms. This is what the NCAA calls it. As a comparison the football Regular signing period for this year was Feb 4th through April 1st. For all other sports the Regular signing period is April 15th through August 1st.

I too would love to have several commits right now but I was simply pointing out that we still have many reported offers out that are uncommitted anywhere. And many of them are rated players. Coach Fox has stated several times that he is looking for wing players and he and his staff are out recruiting right now. I'm not planning on jumping off a cliff just yet as we have several targets that have App high on their lists and until Coach Fox gives me reasons otherwise I plan to trust him and what his plan is.

Sorry that I upset you. It was not my intention. I'll leave it alone now.

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Re: College Hoops Silly Season Has Begun

Unread post by asu66 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:49 pm

firemoose wrote:
asu66 wrote:
firemoose wrote:
asu66 wrote: :shock: P-l-e-a-s-e brush that dirt off your keyboard. We're two weeks from the start of the late signing period and TTBOOK, we have three about-to-be-vacant scholarships and zero public commitments.

I actually don't want to hamper Allison's career progress in any way; but this is a dreadful time to lose him.
Actually April 15th through May 20th is the Regular signing period for Basketball, not the late period. What happened Nov 12th through Nov 19th is known as the early signing period. The NCAA NLI page with dates for this academic year is linked below. I was updating the 2015 Basketball page until the football offer just came in that I'm working on right now but so far everyone listed has not committed anywhere yet. I'll finish that and add or subtract reported offers as soon as I post the FB offer.

http://www.nationalletter.org/
Semantics! C'mon, Moose, it's the late signing period for Fall 2015 signees. It's the first signing period of this year.

I just want those scholarships filled with immediate impact talent. I get nervous when we get to April w/o strong verbal commits for the fall. I'm *ill-prepared* for us to go into May, June or July without the roster being filled. The crop of prospects we can attract is already preciously thin.
Chuck, It's not semantics and I wasn't busting on you. I was simply stating a fact. The early signing period is only a week. Why? Because it's at the start of the season and coaches are prepping for that, not out recruiting. Our staff has been out recruiting since the end of our season. The NCAA classes this upcoming period as the REGULAR signing period, not first of the year. These are not my terms. This is what the NCAA calls it. As a comparison the football Regular signing period for this year was Feb 4th through April 1st. For all other sports the Regular signing period is April 15th through August 1st.

I too would love to have several commits right now but I was simply pointing out that we still have many reported offers out that are uncommitted anywhere. And many of them are rated players. Coach Fox has stated several times that he is looking for wing players and he and his staff are out recruiting right now. I'm not planning on jumping off a cliff just yet as we have several targets that have App high on their lists and until Coach Fox gives me reasons otherwise I plan to trust him and what his plan is.

Sorry that I upset you. It was not my intention. I'll leave it alone now.
You didn't upset me. You did correct me and I don't feel that I needed to be corrected. We're pretty much saying the same thing, except we have different interpretations. I've been around a while, too, and understand the difference between early and regular. At least, give me credit for having a little common sense. I've posted links to several LOI sites (some no longer online) and/or quoted the relevant dates every year since the MMB has been on the 'net--including last fall when practice was getting under way. In fact, all the way back to that sad, troll-filled CNN/SI message board in '98 and '99.

My interpretation was merely attempting to state that the signing period that begins in two weeks is the last bite at the apple our coaches get for signing players to binding letters of intent for next season. After May 20, they can sign players until the cows come home and ask them all to sign LOIs. The only problem being that a signature after that date is only as good as a player's integrity. They're, as you know, non-binding. ASU has been bitten by those "June, July, August snakes" more times than I care to remember.

I don't believe I stated any lack of confidence in Coach Fox. I do think the loss of Jayson Allison at this time could be a detriment to our current recruiting season.

I will cop a plea to being impatient. I have a plaque on my wall given to me years and years ago by my first secretary in my first administrative assignment. It's inscribed, "Dear Lord, please grant me patience--but hurry." Some things haven't changed. :D
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Re: College Hoops Silly Season Has Begun

Unread post by asu66 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:09 am

Shaka Smart Leaving VCU for Texas

http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/ ... 6b95e.html

Rick Barnes found a new job (Tennessee) before Texas could find his replacement--but not by much. Texas AD Steve Patterson flew to Richmond Thursday afternoon and left town six hours later with Shaka Smart's signature on a preliminary offer sheet and the approval of Smart's agent. VCU begins a search for a new head coach today.
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Unread post by hapapp » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:43 am

I don't think that was a "smart" decision by Shaka.

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Unread post by asu66 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:21 am

Jerry,

I saw in a Roanoke-based blog that some VMI fans are wanting Ramon and Damon Williams to come back to VMI to take charge of the basketball program. Thought that was interesting. The new AD seems to want to look far and wide for a new coach.

I also learned five months after it happened that the new AD chose not to renew Sparky's contract. He had won only four games in the last two seasons. I guess that all took place while I was ill. I just missed hearing about it. I hate it for Sparky, but it isn't surprising. I was surprised that they went back to the future and hired another former UVA assistant to replace Sparky. That was convenient---considerably less than a far and wide search.
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hapapp wrote:I don't think that was a "smart" decision by Shaka.
On the court, maybe not. But as far as financial security is concerned, he just hit the lottery. If he flames out, he will never have to work again.
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Unread post by hapapp » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:54 pm

asu66 wrote:Jerry,

I saw in a Roanoke-based blog that some VMI fans are wanting Ramon and Damon Williams to come back to VMI to take charge of the basketball program. Thought that was interesting. The new AD seems to want to look far and wide for a new coach.

I also learned five months after it happened that the new AD chose not to renew Sparky's contract. He had won only four games in the last two seasons. I guess that all took place while I was ill. I just missed hearing about it. I hate it for Sparky, but it isn't surprising. I was surprised that they went back to the future and hired another former UVA assistant to replace Sparky. That was convenient---considerably less than a far and wide search.
The twins have maintained a pretty visible presence over the last several years. It will be interesting to see what direction they go. I guess I was bit surprised that Baucom would shift not only to the Citadel but a program in the same conference.

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Unread post by asu66 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:55 pm

Not sure how we missed this (other than we haven't learned to care about SunBelt news yet), but UALR bought out the last year of Steve Shield's contract--more than two weeks ago.

http://www.katv.com/story/28556812/ualr ... elds-fired

Word is that ten year NBA vet Darrell Walker, the former Arkansas great, was interviewed for the job yesterday.
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Unread post by hapapp » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:57 pm

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hapapp wrote:I don't think that was a "smart" decision by Shaka.
On the court, maybe not. But as far as financial security is concerned, he just hit the lottery. If he flames out, he will never have to work again.
If I were to ever make $1.8 million, I would think I had already hit the lottery. I'm not convinced his approach will work with Texas. He made it work with the kind of kids he brought into VCU, not sure it will translate with the type of kid he will be recruiting in Texas.

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hapapp wrote:I don't think that was a "smart" decision by Shaka.
On the court, maybe not. But as far as financial security is concerned, he just hit the lottery. If he flames out, he will never have to work again.
Don't think he'd have any trouble finding work if it came to that. But I doubt he flames out. Question is whether he wins a little or wins a lot.

Smart will have every chance to win big at Texas. And it might position him a little better than VCU to eventually take over at one of the blue bloods, if that's his goal. I'm a little surprised he took it after reportedly turning down UCLA, but it's certainly a good opportunity.

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HkyMtneer wrote:Liberty went back to the future today, hiring UVA lead assistant Ritchie McKay, the Flames coach during the Seth Curry years. McKay will make the hours drive back down 29 South to Lynchburg after 5 seasons away. Apparently the final three contenders were McKay, another former LU head coach in Jeff Meyer...the lead assistant at Michigan, and the Mercer coach, whose name escapes me.
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Unread post by AppinVA » Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:22 pm

hapapp wrote:
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hapapp wrote:I don't think that was a "smart" decision by Shaka.
On the court, maybe not. But as far as financial security is concerned, he just hit the lottery. If he flames out, he will never have to work again.
If I were to ever make $1.8 million, I would think I had already hit the lottery. I'm not convinced his approach will work with Texas. He made it work with the kind of kids he brought into VCU, not sure it will translate with the type of kid he will be recruiting in Texas.
I really don't think it will translate as well, either. He will have to adapt. Smart would've had a heck of a run in the old Big East
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Unread post by asu66 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:46 pm

Will Wade to VCU; Chattanooga now has the empty office

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vcu-hires- ... ncaab.html
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Unread post by newtoasu » Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:08 pm

asu66 wrote:Not sure how we missed this (other than we haven't learned to care about SunBelt news yet), but UALR bought out the last year of Steve Shield's contract--more than two weeks ago.

http://www.katv.com/story/28556812/ualr ... elds-fired

Word is that ten year NBA vet Darrell Walker, the former Arkansas great, was interviewed for the job yesterday.
Word around Angelo State is that our coach, Chris Beard, will be introduced as the UALR coach at a press conference in the morning. Chris was at DIII McMurray before coming here., He was only here for two years but he turned a poor program around from a team that went 7-19 in 2012-2013 to a DII Sweet 16 28-6 this year. n his two years he was 47-15. Much of his success, as is the case at many DII programs involved the use of former DI players. We had 5 former DI seniors this year who only played for us for one year. Kind of the opposite end of the "one and done" method at schools like Duke and Kentucky.

Coach Beard is a really grat guy and I wish him a lot of success at UALR, except when he plays App State.

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Unread post by spong » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:10 pm

asu66 wrote:Will Wade to VCU; Chattanooga now has the empty office

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vcu-hires- ... ncaab.html
This hire shows that your age and your coaching tree is more important in moving up in the world of college basketball than your actual success. Will Wade is a good coach. He has done a good job in 2 years at UTC. He hasn't proven himself to be a great coach. He isn't even the best coach in the SoCon.

Mike Young at Wofford is the best coach in the SoCon. Bob Hoffman at Mercer with a still-fresh win over Duke in the Tourny is probably the 2nd best coach right now in the SoCon. I would consider Duggar Baucom of VMI and the Citadel the 3rd best coach for what he has accomplished with such few resources.

Will Wade is the third or forth best coach in an automatic-qualifier conference and he was just offered a big-time job. College basketball is a strange world.

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Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:02 pm

spong wrote:
asu66 wrote:Will Wade to VCU; Chattanooga now has the empty office

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vcu-hires- ... ncaab.html
This hire shows that your age and your coaching tree is more important in moving up in the world of college basketball than your actual success. Will Wade is a good coach. He has done a good job in 2 years at UTC. He hasn't proven himself to be a great coach. He isn't even the best coach in the SoCon.

Mike Young at Wofford is the best coach in the SoCon. Bob Hoffman at Mercer with a still-fresh win over Duke in the Tourny is probably the 2nd best coach right now in the SoCon. I would consider Duggar Baucom of VMI and the Citadel the 3rd best coach for what he has accomplished with such few resources.

Will Wade is the third or forth best coach in an automatic-qualifier conference and he was just offered a big-time job. College basketball is a strange world.
Sometimes people hire on potential than experience. I haven't always been the most experienced applicant for jobs, but had the skill set that was preferred. Happens in every type of job, all the time. There are more decisions points that go into hiring than experience/past performance. Those are big points, but not always the biggest point in such decisions.
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