Let's talk about Clark

[DenverOfTheEast]

You weren’t paying attention then.

App’s record 2015-2020 was the 5th most wins in the FBS.

Six straight bowl wins.

Ranked 26th, 19th, 26th 2018-2020.

We were on the way to becoming that team. App was getting attention as the next Boise.

We then started the slide.

Yeah and when you have a Satt as HC in 2018, a Drintwitz as coach in 2019, and TEAMCLARK as coach in 2020,

no program can stay at the mountain top when you have 3 coaches in 3 seasons, there will always be a natural dip, assistant coaches going and coming, different recruiting coordinators, etc.
it's coming back #TeamClark and stability will win out.

[DenverOfTheEast]

FBS Football Coaches that were hired in 2020 win totals at their current schools:

UTSA - Jeff Traylor - 31-13 (3 years in CUSA) currently in American
APP State - #TeamClark 29-15
Memphis - Ryan Silverfield 25-17
Ole Miss - Lane Kiffin - 27-14
Baylor - Dave Aranda - 22-19
Missouri - Drinkwitz - 22-19
FSU - Norvell - 22-16
Arkansas - Sam Pittman - 21-20
Boston College - Jeff Hafley - 17-23
Rutgers - Schiano - 16-23
Old Dominion - Rahne - 11-19
New Mexico - Danny Gonzales - 9-27


You can look up who has a Winning Bowl record and such.... I got to get back to work and clock back in from my break time at the sawmill. Just more data and proof #TeamClark is reigns.

I’m neither pro-Clark nor anti-Clark at this moment, but those stats, like all stats, need context. One would have to know the records of those programs prior to the new coach taking over before any real conclusions could be drawn about their success or failure.

Excluding all FCS games from 2019-2022

2019 Opponents record 73-81 .474

2020 Opponents record 57-57 .500

2021 Opponents record 81-62 .566

2022 Opponents record 69-57 .560

Just more data to bring into this conversation. It isn't the same SBC.

I will say I am a SC supporter and feel he is the right person to lead this team into the future. So many factors behind the scenes that needed to be cleaned up. Yes, there are things the coaching staff has to get better and I feel they will. 8-4 with improvement seems to be a good stepping stone into next.

13-1 for Drintwitz against a crappy schedule.

You guys are bringing great data to the board, I am so proud of you guys for learning something!!!!

[WVAPPeer]

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[MrCraig]

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

Clark also has a six loss season, a season without a bowl, and a bowl loss. Satt and Drink didn't have any of those. The last four years the highs have been high, but the lows have been low.

Make a 27-yd fg to beat Ga Southern and this conversation doesn't really happen. Add to that, complete the 2-pt conversion against UNC and all of a sudden you are 8-4, not too bad. Add to that the absolute worst interference call against JMU that I've ever seen, and we most likely win that one... 9-3. Last season we were a little unlucky and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down, but we were so close.

As someone said above, you can play that game all day. There were multiple instances in the TAMU game that, had they gone the other way, would have resulted in a loss for App.

[AtlAppMan]

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

Clark also has a six loss season, a season without a bowl, and a bowl loss. Satt and Drink didn't have any of those. The last four years the highs have been high, but the lows have been low.

Make a 27-yd fg to beat Ga Southern and this conversation doesn't really happen. Add to that, complete the 2-pt conversion against UNC and all of a sudden you are 8-4, not too bad. Add to that the absolute worst interference call against JMU that I've ever seen, and we most likely win that one... 9-3. Last season we were a little unlucky and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down, but we were so close.

As someone said above, you can play that game all day. There were multiple instances in the TAMU game that, had they gone the other way, would have resulted in a loss for App.

And the same could be said that if our WRs foot lands in bounds on initial drive we end up winning by 7 MORE pts. You can play that game all day long but what happened happened.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

I know people count who was ranked at the time of the game but I look back at the season. Those two teams were ranked at the time but we all know neither were really a legit top 25 team. TAMU fell apart that year and was nowhere near a top 25 team. They were not even top 40-50. Coastal lost again after our game and they did not finish the year ranked either. Shawn's best win looking back happened to be the Troy game last year since they finished ranked #19/#20.

I'm with you on that. If we play and beat a team week who is ranked- let's say top 10 and they proceed to completely stink (A&M), does that win really matter as far as a "ranked" win? I think you have to wait until the season is over and if a team you beat earlier is still ranked then you can count it.

[AppStFan1]

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

I know people count who was ranked at the time of the game but I look back at the season. Those two teams were ranked at the time but we all know neither were really a legit top 25 team. TAMU fell apart that year and was nowhere near a top 25 team. They were not even top 40-50. Coastal lost again after our game and they did not finish the year ranked either. Shawn's best win looking back happened to be the Troy game last year since they finished ranked #19/#20.

I'm with you on that. If we play and beat a team week who is ranked- let's say top 10 and they proceed to completely stink (A&M), does that win really matter as far as a "ranked" win? I think you have to wait until the season is over and if a team you beat earlier is still ranked then you can count it.

Exactly. Troy turned out to be the best win for Shawn last year.

[PhillyApp1]

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.

You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.

Willy, you are correct about loses every now and then BUT look at coach Clark's record against teams with winning records..... that tells me a lot.

BTW, we have 7 games left which i hope Clark wins atleast 5 or maybe we need to change.

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[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

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I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

[appstatealum]

Who cares about Drink and Satt? Talking and comparing ourselves to the past is why we are stuck in it.

[WVAPPeer]

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I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

Well there are probably two reasons for that - several years ago when server or whatever changed it did not carry over those stats and secondly there are unfortunately more people on here now who want to fire coaches, complain about everything, demean players ---
Anyway - what he said was basically I didn't know anything about App because I was a WVU fan - can you explain that?

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

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I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

Well there are probably two reasons for that - several years ago when server or whatever changed it did not carry over those stats and secondly there are unfortunately more people on here now who want to fire coaches, complain about everything, demean players ---
Anyway - what he said was basically I didn't know anything about App because I was a WVU fan - can you explain that?

Hahaha, I didn’t see that and that is silly. I was just analyzing the post counts. I believe if you posted more anti-Eric Church and anti-UNC posts, you could increase your “thanks” exponentially.

[spacemonkey]

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

I know people count who was ranked at the time of the game but I look back at the season. Those two teams were ranked at the time but we all know neither were really a legit top 25 team. TAMU fell apart that year and was nowhere near a top 25 team. They were not even top 40-50. Coastal lost again after our game and they did not finish the year ranked either. Shawn's best win looking back happened to be the Troy game last year since they finished ranked #19/#20.

I'm with you on that. If we play and beat a team week who is ranked- let's say top 10 and they proceed to completely stink (A&M), does that win really matter as far as a "ranked" win? I think you have to wait until the season is over and if a team you beat earlier is still ranked then you can count it.

I would argue it means MUCH more. The whole purpose of putting money in the football team is for the exposure of Appalachian State the University. We get national attention when we beat a top ranked team and we get state recognition when we beat an instate team. It seems crazy that it matters....but it does. I hope we get a down NC state. NCState could end up like Georgia St. One day. If Raleigh gets the major league baseball team and the hurricanes it is going to have to compete for that entertainment dollar. We are the only game in town on the western side of NC. Our future is bright. Our basketball team has huge upside and our Football team can still get more important.

[appstatealum]

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I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

Well there are probably two reasons for that - several years ago when server or whatever changed it did not carry over those stats and secondly there are unfortunately more people on here now who want to fire coaches, complain about everything, demean players ---
Anyway - what he said was basically I didn't know anything about App because I was a WVU fan - can you explain that?

Hahaha, I didn’t see that and that is silly. I was just analyzing the post counts. I believe if you posted more anti-Eric Church and anti-UNC posts, you could increase your “thanks” exponentially.

I definitely try to pad my stats with anti-Eric Church talk. And while we are on the subject- screw that turn coat piece of pop fake country turd.

[appdaze]

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I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

Well there are probably two reasons for that - several years ago when server or whatever changed it did not carry over those stats and secondly there are unfortunately more people on here now who want to fire coaches, complain about everything, demean players ---
Anyway - what he said was basically I didn't know anything about App because I was a WVU fan - can you explain that?

Hahaha, I didn’t see that and that is silly. I was just analyzing the post counts. I believe if you posted more anti-Eric Church and anti-UNC posts, you could increase your “thanks” exponentially.

I definitely try to pad my stats with anti-Eric Church talk. And while we are on the subject- screw that turn coat piece of pop fake country turd.

[AppInDC]

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I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

This is why I lurk and rarely post. Keep that quality ratio up. Hopefully someone thanks this post because I'm taking a risk. If it fails, I'm below 60% Thanks to Posts! Haha

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I’m not taking sides, but 69 gets a thank twice for every 3 posts. You get one thank for every 5.5 or so posts. He could argue his posts are more meaningful. I’ll help you out though and thank your post.

Well there are probably two reasons for that - several years ago when server or whatever changed it did not carry over those stats and secondly there are unfortunately more people on here now who want to fire coaches, complain about everything, demean players ---
Anyway - what he said was basically I didn't know anything about App because I was a WVU fan - can you explain that?

Hahaha, I didn’t see that and that is silly. I was just analyzing the post counts. I believe if you posted more anti-Eric Church and anti-UNC posts, you could increase your “thanks” exponentially.

I definitely try to pad my stats with anti-Eric Church talk. And while we are on the subject- screw that turn coat piece of pop fake country turd.

You’ve been a buzzkill today. Let’s try to start over and do better tomorrow

[app97]

FBS Football Coaches that were hired in 2020 win totals at their current schools:

UTSA - Jeff Traylor - 31-13 (3 years in CUSA) currently in American
APP State - #TeamClark 29-15
Memphis - Ryan Silverfield 25-17
Ole Miss - Lane Kiffin - 27-14
Baylor - Dave Aranda - 22-19
Missouri - Drinkwitz - 22-19
FSU - Norvell - 22-16
Arkansas - Sam Pittman - 21-20
Boston College - Jeff Hafley - 17-23
Rutgers - Schiano - 16-23
Old Dominion - Rahne - 11-19
New Mexico - Danny Gonzales - 9-27


You can look up who has a Winning Bowl record and such.... I got to get back to work and clock back in from my break time at the sawmill. Just more data and proof #TeamClark is reigns.

I’m neither pro-Clark nor anti-Clark at this moment, but those stats, like all stats, need context. One would have to know the records of those programs prior to the new coach taking over before any real conclusions could be drawn about their success or failure.

The point is who has the most wins after 4 years in their position. Just like voting for President - 4 years - where are at, etc.


As well as the relative quality of their opponents/conferences.

That has ZERO to do with it.....it's all relative.

Hence the word “relative” in my reply. I’m pretty sure that playing SEC and ACC competition does have a little something to do with success in the first few years in the HC position. Drinkwitz would have had a much better chance at a much better record in 4 years at App than he has at Missouri, especially since the majority of that tenure would have been before the new look sunbelt. The bottom four coaches you listed inherited perennial dumpster fires, which makes it much tougher to leverage momentum. Again, we’re agreeing that it’s all relative, but conferences/opponents have a little more than zero to do with success…common sense shite. I’m patient and hopeful, but I’m generally not a kool-aid drinker, and certainly not going to opine like I’m married to a coach.

[Rekdiver]

The SunBelt is stronger now than when Satt and Drink were coaching.....I'm back to being patient. More so due the portal availability than recruiting but still we are a strong conference.

[Saint3333]

In business when your competition gets stronger you don't accept standing still, you provide a competitive response.