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[BambooRdApp]

I believe what we have is a "one read" situation... unless pressure...then the idea of second options enter the equation..which is typically too late
I have re-watched several games this year (not last nights yet)...it is a one read idea. As it relates to last night, there were several where 14 was open as the safety valve ..not even look .4 or 5 yards is better than nothing.
On one of the passes to 8 in end zone that was knocked away, 2 was open down the middle of the field as secondary guy rotated over 8 as he knew where 4 was going...
One item that I did like was a little bit of an adjustment that we seem to finally pick up after about 6 to 8 games...when safety started to sell out for the run the slants were open on several occasions.
There are many college kids that are one read QBs. Just wish the 2nd option or RB safety valve was used more

[BeauFoster]

Where was that effort @ Clemson, first quarter of ECU, all game at home versus USA and Marshall.

Season starts in September not when our backs are against the wall.

Our issues have gone from effort to situational decision making by our QB and play calling/clock mgmt.

The results unfortunately however are the same, we just give the viewer hope to watch beyond halftime.

This is my problem with the current staff…why do we wait until the poop has hit the fan to make changes play like an App football team should play? Seeing that game last night, we should have been 4-1 or 3–2 coming in, and still actually have our goals in front of us. Those goals are completely out the window, and we’re fighting for bowl eligibility and .500. And we should have won that game, had we not made multiple boneheaded plays that resulted in turnovers.

[JTApps1]

Where was that effort @ Clemson, first quarter of ECU, all game at home versus USA and Marshall.

Season starts in September not when our backs are against the wall.

Our issues have gone from effort to situational decision making by our QB and play calling/clock mgmt.

The results unfortunately however are the same, we just give the viewer hope to watch beyond halftime.

This is my problem with the current staff…why do we wait until the poop has hit the fan to make changes play like an App football team should play? Seeing that game last night, we should have been 4-1 or 3–2 coming in, and still actually have our goals in front of us. Those goals are completely out the window, and we’re fighting for bowl eligibility and .500. And we should have won that game, had we not made multiple boneheaded plays that resulted in turnovers.

The defensive changes could have won the game vs Marshall since the offense played pretty well that game. I don't understand why they gave the older guys so many chances.

[311neers]

He's toast.

If you are referring to Joey, and are serious, we may have finally agreed on something.

I assumed that was for the HC. It is correct either way.

[WataugaMan]

Current East Standings

Georgia Southern Eagles 4-2, 2-0
James Madison Dukes 5-1, 1-1
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 4-2, 1-1
Marshall Thundering Herd 3-3, 1-1
Old Dominion Monarchs 2-4, 1-1
Georgia State Panthers 2-3, 0-2
App State Mountaineers 2-4, 0-3

Year five and here we are, what else is there to say?

[Stonewall]

Their defense shifts before the snap and we run right into it.

[Bootsy]

Watching replay. 4 makes really bad decisions. Beyond the TOs. Certainly poor line play is a factor but I’m about over the hype.

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

[Stonewall]

First interception 2 has his man beat , ball under thrown. I’m not qualified to make the call on pulling 4 but you are asking a lot of a team to overcome that turnover ratio.

[DenverOfTheEast]

#CleanHouse

It's time.

Justin Watts man his timing was perfect, got out of dodge at the right time.

[ASUTodd]

Watching replay. 4 makes really bad decisions. Beyond the TOs. Certainly poor line play is a factor but I’m about over the hype.

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

We may be seeing why Burger was called the starter last year....

[ASUFan4863]

Watching replay. 4 makes really bad decisions. Beyond the TOs. Certainly poor line play is a factor but I’m about over the hype.

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

We may be seeing why Burger was called the starter last year....

THIS. Losing Burger set this team back 3 years. Joey can be good but he is his worst enemy. What we see right now from his is what coaches saw in fall camp both years.

[Saint3333]

Joey has the tools to be a solid QB, but the play calling must put him in a position to be successful. The way Roberts was running last night should have allowed us to be more conservative with deep balls. ULL also struggled to cover WRs on the short crossing patterns.

Our situational play calling was way too aggressive at various parts of the game.

Joey will make at least one bad decision a game, but we shouldn’t put him in a position to make 5-6 per game.

[Stonewall]

This was a winnable game. Very winnable. Watching the replay sans emotion. Louisiana might be one of the best in the league . We just beat ourselves. Again.

[appgrad95&97]

Watching replay. 4 makes really bad decisions. Beyond the TOs. Certainly poor line play is a factor but I’m about over the hype.

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

We may be seeing why Burger was called the starter last year....

THIS. Losing Burger set this team back 3 years. Joey can be good but he is his worst enemy. What we see right now from his is what coaches saw in fall camp both years.

We're talking about the same Burger that is 2-3 for 12 yards at Liberty this season?

[ASUFan4863]

Watching replay. 4 makes really bad decisions. Beyond the TOs. Certainly poor line play is a factor but I’m about over the hype.

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

We may be seeing why Burger was called the starter last year....

THIS. Losing Burger set this team back 3 years. Joey can be good but he is his worst enemy. What we see right now from his is what coaches saw in fall camp both years.

We're talking about the same Burger that is 2-3 for 12 yards at Liberty this season?

He won the job last year. He is a backup right now. Coaches saw joeys bad decisions early on

[311neers]

Watching replay. 4 makes really bad decisions. Beyond the TOs. Certainly poor line play is a factor but I’m about over the hype.

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

We may be seeing why Burger was called the starter last year....

THIS. Losing Burger set this team back 3 years. Joey can be good but he is his worst enemy. What we see right now from his is what coaches saw in fall camp both years.

We're talking about the same Burger that is 2-3 for 12 yards at Liberty this season?

Burger ain’t it either.
The problem is we kept SC around a year or two too long…and now we’re screwed. Bad recruiting, slow and small, not disciplined…going to be tough for the next guy but need to start the process now.

[ASUTodd]

Agreed. It's time to give Wiles a shot; we are blessed to have a QB2 with the skills/experience to run the offense and compete at a high level. At this point, it wouldn't take much for him to play better than Joey has recently.

I'm already questioning the logic of Clark/Sloan riding with some of the defensive players who have struggled all season. If Clark and Ponce insist on keeping #4 as the starter in spite of the issues, I have to seriously question that decision making as well. Are these isolated incidents? Or part of a larger pattern of rigid thinking that refuses the adjust based on realities? Time will tell.

We may be seeing why Burger was called the starter last year....

THIS. Losing Burger set this team back 3 years. Joey can be good but he is his worst enemy. What we see right now from his is what coaches saw in fall camp both years.

We're talking about the same Burger that is 2-3 for 12 yards at Liberty this season?

Burger ain’t it either.
The problem is we kept SC around a year or two too long…and now we’re screwed. Bad recruiting, slow and small, not disciplined…going to be tough for the next guy but need to start the process now.

Def don't think he was "the guy"..... But he prob had some better decision making. Joey would be killer if he would tuck and run.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Joey has the tools to be a solid QB, but the play calling must put him in a position to be successful. The way Roberts was running last night should have allowed us to be more conservative with deep balls. ULL also struggled to cover WRs on the short crossing patterns.

Our situational play calling was way too aggressive at various parts of the game.

Joey will make at least one bad decision a game, but we shouldn’t put him in a position to make 5-6 per game.

More than one my friend....

Go find a Zac Thomas type, fanbase ran him out after year 4 and he had a CoVID year he passed on, blame yourselves for that one.

[311neers]

Joey has the tools to be a solid QB, but the play calling must put him in a position to be successful. The way Roberts was running last night should have allowed us to be more conservative with deep balls. ULL also struggled to cover WRs on the short crossing patterns.

Our situational play calling was way too aggressive at various parts of the game.

Joey will make at least one bad decision a game, but we shouldn’t put him in a position to make 5-6 per game.

More than one my friend....

Go find a Zac Thomas type, fanbase ran him out after year 4 and he had a CoVID year he passed on, blame yourselves for that one.

Zac had defenses where 20 points won most ballgames. He also had run games and better coaching. He didn’t have to do much to win due to how dominant we were in other phases.

While Joey is not as good as ZT or Brice, he can’t rely on any of the other phases to win ball games that those qbs could. It’s a different team now and he’s got to do a lot more to win ball games than the others did. Doesn’t excuse the turnovers or dumb decisions.

[Yosef1986]

We could do better on misdirection and pre-snap movement. Some creativity could help. Our coaches are - or should be aware of the strengths and weaknesses of the team. All teams have strengths and weaknesses. The good teams navigate around them - and are still successful. We are not doing that. If a team stuffs our run game - we continue to run etc.... Not saying there are no other issues - just that teams know what we are going to go - or at least try to do and game plan to stop us.