Dowell's assistants

[AppNC]

I think coaches should post on social media how many offers they have received from universities like recruits do. #blessed

[Yosef10]

Billy B down in Chapel Hill hasn’t put together a staff yet either.

Indeed! And he is supposedly the "greatest coach of all-time".

He hasn't but his portal has been popping...college kids all over the place want to play for BB. uNC wanted to be taken seriously and they proved it by ponying up the money for BB. I think UNC has gone all in on being the best. I hate UNC but I admire their effort with this.

I hate UNC but this new system(NIL) is a dream scenario for Chapel Hill. They will thrive in it. I think Michigan, Texa, Ohio St., UNC, and USCal., U of Georgia....will be the year end year out winners of the new system. Plenty of Old smelly money with their alumni.

Not quite so sure about this. Even the UNC basketball program has been struggling to keep up in the NIL world. Also, it sounds like the $20M number isn’t exactly a year in year out sum of money spent more so than a break in case of emergency number. In other words, it doesn’t sound like they’ll be spending $20M in NIL yearly.

[bcoach]

Billy B down in Chapel Hill hasn’t put together a staff yet either.

Indeed! And he is supposedly the "greatest coach of all-time".

He hasn't but his portal has been popping...college kids all over the place want to play for BB. uNC wanted to be taken seriously and they proved it by ponying up the money for BB. I think UNC has gone all in on being the best. I hate UNC but I admire their effort with this.

It is just the buzz of his name and their money but I will be very interested to see how they do with Bill. UNC is an elite job putting 30M into NIL. If we had 30M in NIL you would be amazed at some of the names we would have coming to Boone.

How do we know the portal has not been popping for DL? You have to remember that this is a transition time for our media as well. We don't have much media anyway but even the small amount we do have did not know DL or the people he is likely bringing in so a lot less is getting out than before. This is a big reason why I am being patient because I am being told a lot is going on but we just have not announced much yet. I want to see how the next 3-4 weeks go.

We pretty much know when someone commits. I don't think we have any issues with that. I wasn't knocking DLo and the portal, I was stating that UNC has had a lot of activity in their portal. The team we had this past season could win every game that we played. You kick some bad apples to the curb, fill in those spots, replace seniors, and bam.... Back at it with a legit team.

We will have to disagree on that. Coaching aside as they are gone, gone, gone. Really, they are gone. We did not have what we needed to win all our games by any stretch.

[AppWyo]

One thing to remember is now when you hire a new head coach you often times get their entire staff, however, when you hire an assistant coach, you have to wait for them to hire their entire staff. The biggest difference now is they can bring their players with them and they do not need to sit out a year to play. Look at Indiana this year as an example.

[ASUTodd]

Indeed! And he is supposedly the "greatest coach of all-time".

He hasn't but his portal has been popping...college kids all over the place want to play for BB. uNC wanted to be taken seriously and they proved it by ponying up the money for BB. I think UNC has gone all in on being the best. I hate UNC but I admire their effort with this.

It is just the buzz of his name and their money but I will be very interested to see how they do with Bill. UNC is an elite job putting 30M into NIL. If we had 30M in NIL you would be amazed at some of the names we would have coming to Boone.

How do we know the portal has not been popping for DL? You have to remember that this is a transition time for our media as well. We don't have much media anyway but even the small amount we do have did not know DL or the people he is likely bringing in so a lot less is getting out than before. This is a big reason why I am being patient because I am being told a lot is going on but we just have not announced much yet. I want to see how the next 3-4 weeks go.

We pretty much know when someone commits. I don't think we have any issues with that. I wasn't knocking DLo and the portal, I was stating that UNC has had a lot of activity in their portal. The team we had this past season could win every game that we played. You kick some bad apples to the curb, fill in those spots, replace seniors, and bam.... Back at it with a legit team.

We will have to disagree on that. Coaching aside as they are gone, gone, gone. Really, they are gone. We did not have what we needed to win all our games by any stretch.

Ok.... Let me rephrase.... We could have won all but Clemson. Coaching these players accounts for a lot. Stroman for example. Had all the talent and had all the physical attributes but for some reason they let him get away with being lazy and half-a..ing routes and plays. Our running backs were not used in a manner that was in line with their skill sets. We didn't have these awesome running backs that everybody likes to think we had, we had three or four running backs that all had a different style and they weren't used appropriately. My point was we had the talent to win all of our games outside of Clemson. We can argue South Alabama all day long if folks, but I still think we had the talent to beat them but our talents weren't being used in the right manner. Was this a star studded team like the 2007 or the 2019 team? Obviously it was not but we had enough of a base there that we could have done so much better than what we did. As you've already alluded to... that's already passed a lot of those folks are now gone. We just have to look forward and move on.

[AppStFan1]

Billy B down in Chapel Hill hasn’t put together a staff yet either.

Indeed! And he is supposedly the "greatest coach of all-time".

He hasn't but his portal has been popping...college kids all over the place want to play for BB. uNC wanted to be taken seriously and they proved it by ponying up the money for BB. I think UNC has gone all in on being the best. I hate UNC but I admire their effort with this.

It is just the buzz of his name and their money but I will be very interested to see how they do with Bill. UNC is an elite job putting 30M into NIL. If we had 30M in NIL you would be amazed at some of the names we would have coming to Boone.

How do we know the portal has not been popping for DL? You have to remember that this is a transition time for our media as well. We don't have much media anyway but even the small amount we do have did not know DL or the people he is likely bringing in so a lot less is getting out than before. This is a big reason why I am being patient because I am being told a lot is going on but we just have not announced much yet. I want to see how the next 3-4 weeks go.

We pretty much know when someone commits. I don't think we have any issues with that. I wasn't knocking DLo and the portal, I was stating that UNC has had a lot of activity in their portal. The team we had this past season could win every game that we played. You kick some bad apples to the curb, fill in those spots, replace seniors, and bam.... Back at it with a legit team.

We probably could have gone 8-3 or 9-2 at best. I don't think we had a 11-0 or 10-1 team though. Aren't we only at about 65 players so we need to add at least 20 if we don't lose anyone else?

I am going to be patient here because DL has more work to do between now and end of spring that any coach we have ever had. He has to move his family to Boone, get accustom to the town, hire a full staff, evaluate the support staff and make a lot of changes there, scout the portal and set up visits and recruit them, try to retain as many of our players as he can, scout HS to try and pick up any late names for the second signing day, work on the plan to evaluate and scout class of 2026 and 2027 players, media engagements, meeting boosters, fundraising, etc.

[Cro-Magnon App]

If money was all that counted, Oregon would win everything every year.

[AppStFan1]

If money was all that counted, Oregon would win everything every year.

Exactly. Just because UNC Is giving out big money does not guarantee anything but I find it interesting they hired the supposed GOAT but yet also feel they have to spend money at an elite level. People have to realize that money does not fix all problems. Just because you spend 30M does not guarantee a title.

[AtlAppMan]

If money was all that counted, Oregon would win everything every year.

And the NY Yankees

But it does make it easier. I would rather have it than not.

[bcoach]

One thing to remember is now when you hire a new head coach you often times get their entire staff, however, when you hire an assistant coach, you have to wait for them to hire their entire staff. The biggest difference now is they can bring their players with them and they do not need to sit out a year to play. Look at Indiana this year as an example.

We also need to remember our coach is coming from the opposite direction their coach came from.

[AppWyo]

One thing to remember is now when you hire a new head coach you often times get their entire staff, however, when you hire an assistant coach, you have to wait for them to hire their entire staff. The biggest difference now is they can bring their players with them and they do not need to sit out a year to play. Look at Indiana this year as an example.

We also need to remember our coach is coming from the opposite direction their coach came from.

One of the biggest things he had to do was establish a winning culture in Bloomington. That is one thing that Dowell Loggains does not have to do in
Boone.

[bcoach]

One thing to remember is now when you hire a new head coach you often times get their entire staff, however, when you hire an assistant coach, you have to wait for them to hire their entire staff. The biggest difference now is they can bring their players with them and they do not need to sit out a year to play. Look at Indiana this year as an example.

We also need to remember our coach is coming from the opposite direction their coach came from.

One of the biggest things he had to do was establish a winning culture in Bloomington. That is one thing that Dowell Loggains does not have to do in
Boone.

I get that. I am refering to bringing players.

[DenverOfTheEast]

$3m

That’s gotta be close to the top at sbc/g5

I’m really not sure and don’t have any data. I would say it has to be near the top for the SBC for sure. I believe under Clark it was around $1.5-$2m. So the belief by some that we are strapped for cash is not always true. There are investments being made to change things.

So are you saying that we had an extra $1 to $1.5 million available all along for coaches that could have been used to help the former staff and we didn’t allow them to use it?

No. I believe the three main reasons are:
1. The powers that be are realizing we can no longer scrap by and are willing to spend more when they weren’t before because they hadn’t experience much losing. I think this is the biggest reason.
2. We have a HC who is aware of the financial obligations needed to compete at the next level.
3. We have a HC who can sell his vision well enough to get money flowing.

This is all one posters opinion and substantial -- nothing here factual. You're hoping you're new HC CDL can generate funds, gimme a break -- you ever been to the Football auction in May or June?

[DenverOfTheEast]

It took 7 days to hire CDL -- he's been the coach for 14 days and hasn't made a significant hire yet...........


DG got sold a bill of goods and this is the first sign of that, not having a real staff ready to rock in roll.

Yeah I'm not ready to agree with you but I am getting there...

Of course some hires may be coming from CFP teams so if we don't see much movement by the end of the week I'm going to call a spade a spade.

this is how Trump must feel --

"I don't want to agree with DOTE, but damn he's probably right." - said a majority of YC posters

Happy Holidays! and...
'Keep the change you filthy animals' - what Holiday movie?

Not exactly. I don’t know names but I am told that DL has most of staff filled out. Several can’t be announced because they are going to coach one last game for their current team. He is doing a good job of retaining players overall.

Got to relax and be a little patient. No regret on this hire yet. We are a bit of a rebuild now so we have to give him a little time. You seem to be pulling against them and that only hurts our program. A true App fan should be pulling for DL because if he fails our program fails.

Every year in the G5 - NIL Portal will be a rebuild Im an afraid, regardless of the coach. Must retain the best you can.

[DenverOfTheEast]

One thing to remember is now when you hire a new head coach you often times get their entire staff, however, when you hire an assistant coach, you have to wait for them to hire their entire staff. The biggest difference now is they can bring their players with them and they do not need to sit out a year to play. Look at Indiana this year as an example.

We also need to remember our coach is coming from the opposite direction their coach came from.

Cig was able to bring a lot of familiar kids with him and staff, made transition easier... that is why a sitting head coach woulda have been at the top of my wish list.

How many ETSU staff and players go to Tulsa? How many staff and players went to Indiana last off season?

It will help "jump Start' your program quicker. Everyone on staff at App State will now spend time getting to know each other and know the players....we'll see what happens and how it plays out for CDL..

I have no Beef with CDL -- I think the arrows go to DG on this one if things don't work out.

[AppStFan1]

It took 7 days to hire CDL -- he's been the coach for 14 days and hasn't made a significant hire yet...........


DG got sold a bill of goods and this is the first sign of that, not having a real staff ready to rock in roll.

Yeah I'm not ready to agree with you but I am getting there...

Of course some hires may be coming from CFP teams so if we don't see much movement by the end of the week I'm going to call a spade a spade.

this is how Trump must feel --

"I don't want to agree with DOTE, but damn he's probably right." - said a majority of YC posters

Happy Holidays! and...
'Keep the change you filthy animals' - what Holiday movie?

Not exactly. I don’t know names but I am told that DL has most of staff filled out. Several can’t be announced because they are going to coach one last game for their current team. He is doing a good job of retaining players overall.

Got to relax and be a little patient. No regret on this hire yet. We are a bit of a rebuild now so we have to give him a little time. You seem to be pulling against them and that only hurts our program. A true App fan should be pulling for DL because if he fails our program fails.

Every year in the G5 - NIL Portal will be a rebuild Im an afraid, regardless of the coach. Must retain the best you can.

This is true. Some rebuilds might be doable in 1 year and others might take 2-3 years. It just depends on how much turnover they have or how low the talent level is in general.

[appstatealum]

He hasn't but his portal has been popping...college kids all over the place want to play for BB. uNC wanted to be taken seriously and they proved it by ponying up the money for BB. I think UNC has gone all in on being the best. I hate UNC but I admire their effort with this.

It is just the buzz of his name and their money but I will be very interested to see how they do with Bill. UNC is an elite job putting 30M into NIL. If we had 30M in NIL you would be amazed at some of the names we would have coming to Boone.

How do we know the portal has not been popping for DL? You have to remember that this is a transition time for our media as well. We don't have much media anyway but even the small amount we do have did not know DL or the people he is likely bringing in so a lot less is getting out than before. This is a big reason why I am being patient because I am being told a lot is going on but we just have not announced much yet. I want to see how the next 3-4 weeks go.

We pretty much know when someone commits. I don't think we have any issues with that. I wasn't knocking DLo and the portal, I was stating that UNC has had a lot of activity in their portal. The team we had this past season could win every game that we played. You kick some bad apples to the curb, fill in those spots, replace seniors, and bam.... Back at it with a legit team.

We will have to disagree on that. Coaching aside as they are gone, gone, gone. Really, they are gone. We did not have what we needed to win all our games by any stretch.

Ok.... Let me rephrase.... We could have won all but Clemson. Coaching these players accounts for a lot. Stroman for example. Had all the talent and had all the physical attributes but for some reason they let him get away with being lazy and half-a..ing routes and plays. Our running backs were not used in a manner that was in line with their skill sets. We didn't have these awesome running backs that everybody likes to think we had, we had three or four running backs that all had a different style and they weren't used appropriately. My point was we had the talent to win all of our games outside of Clemson. We can argue South Alabama all day long if folks, but I still think we had the talent to beat them but our talents weren't being used in the right manner. Was this a star studded team like the 2007 or the 2019 team? Obviously it was not but we had enough of a base there that we could have done so much better than what we did. As you've already alluded to... that's already passed a lot of those folks are now gone. We just have to look forward and move on.

BuT but, tHeY hAvE fOrGotTeN mOrE fOoTbAlL tHaN yOuLL eVeR kNoW

[AppSt94]

Yeah I'm not ready to agree with you but I am getting there...

Of course some hires may be coming from CFP teams so if we don't see much movement by the end of the week I'm going to call a spade a spade.

this is how Trump must feel --

"I don't want to agree with DOTE, but damn he's probably right." - said a majority of YC posters

Happy Holidays! and...
'Keep the change you filthy animals' - what Holiday movie?

Not exactly. I don’t know names but I am told that DL has most of staff filled out. Several can’t be announced because they are going to coach one last game for their current team. He is doing a good job of retaining players overall.

Got to relax and be a little patient. No regret on this hire yet. We are a bit of a rebuild now so we have to give him a little time. You seem to be pulling against them and that only hurts our program. A true App fan should be pulling for DL because if he fails our program fails.

Every year in the G5 - NIL Portal will be a rebuild Im an afraid, regardless of the coach. Must retain the best you can.

This is true. Some rebuilds might be doable in 1 year and others might take 2-3 years. It just depends on how much turnover they have or how low the talent level is in general.

I just don’t see how this current form of chaos can support a 2-3 rebuild. This is likely going to be a year over rebuild due to the lack of guardrails among NIL and the ease that one can jump in the portal until there is a balancing out a norm.

[AppStFan1]

this is how Trump must feel --

"I don't want to agree with DOTE, but damn he's probably right." - said a majority of YC posters

Happy Holidays! and...
'Keep the change you filthy animals' - what Holiday movie?

Not exactly. I don’t know names but I am told that DL has most of staff filled out. Several can’t be announced because they are going to coach one last game for their current team. He is doing a good job of retaining players overall.

Got to relax and be a little patient. No regret on this hire yet. We are a bit of a rebuild now so we have to give him a little time. You seem to be pulling against them and that only hurts our program. A true App fan should be pulling for DL because if he fails our program fails.

Every year in the G5 - NIL Portal will be a rebuild Im an afraid, regardless of the coach. Must retain the best you can.

This is true. Some rebuilds might be doable in 1 year and others might take 2-3 years. It just depends on how much turnover they have or how low the talent level is in general.

I just don’t see how this current form of chaos can support a 2-3 rebuild. This is likely going to be a year over rebuild due to the lack of guardrails among NIL and the ease that one can jump in the portal until there is a balancing out a norm.

You have mentioned before how coach continuity can effect whether you have success and you still need some form of player continuity as well. We have to sign good HS classes and not only hit on a lot but retain and develop a solid number of them.

I am thinking we will have legislation with contracts and buyouts on players at some point so we might want to be in that mindset for when it happens. The odds are a little higher of keeping a player out of HS than from the portal.

[DenverOfTheEast]

At some point the NCAA must restrict its members (schools) on academic side of things in some way to combat the open market of transferring.....The NCAA can deter their schools that will slow down who the coaches of those member schools can recruit.

They have shown they can't touch the athletes without a law suit, so to do something they need to restrict their schools in some way. And they need to tell those schools compliance office not to budge on waivers and such.

That's why it all is a mess to begin with the NCAA started allowing waivers for transfers, then the can of worms opened and hasn't been the same since about 2010.

Pandemic watered down the in classroom setting - since 2020 they have given out grades with no work by being online, now with AI kids don't need to study. Its a hot mess.