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[App_in_Maiden]

Listening to the "cup cake" post game interview with DL. By the way, DL said we need to play better again. His answers are nothing, but, "blowing smoke/bull crap".

He doesn’t even seem phased that they just got their ass kicked. No wonder most of the players don’t have a fire in them because he clearly doesn’t. I get you have to be PC with media, but if that was a coach who cared, he’d be giving that interview pissed off.

He is much more measured because most in the NFL are. Some up there let it show like Herm Edwards and others but the idea is not to come off so emotional and become a meme. We all know where "we let them off the hook", "I'm a man I'm 40", "They are who we thought they were, we let them off the hook", etc all comes from. I am pretty sure he is trying to prevent that from happening to himself.

Yeah I get that, but come on. Show some type of emotion. You just got your ass whooped and embarrassed. For all I know, he’s doing that in the locker room, but it’s frustrating from my perspective listening to that interview. At the end of the day though, he needs to get this team better prepared.

[falcoapp]

He’s too short.

[Seattleapp]

We only feel the way we do because we have been on top of the mountain.

Firing anyone at this point is foolish. You need at least five years before you make major changes. One thing in life I wish I had never underestimated is the power of jealousy.

We fired Clark after one losing season. 5-7. A strong argument can be made we
We’re trending the wrong way. But at the time the position was we are App State and we don’t tolerate mediocrity. There were plenty of questions about DLO coming in. Mostly his lack of head
Coaching experience and his meddling nfl career. We all were understanding there would be a learning curve but this is on a whole other level of bad. And I’m it buying this staff knows what the hell they are doing, it’s the players fault. Half of this roster is new so you can’t blame Clark. Ok you want to make the argument DLO, if given outstanding talent, can win and maybe he can, but what if he doesn’t get his dudes? This season is quickly demonstrating his ability to be a good head coach is highly debatable. Firing Clark to get absolutely destroyed by everyone with a pulse the next season is not what anyone was anticipating. We are easily in the bottom 10 of worst FBS teams this year. Let that sink in

[AppStFan1]

Listening to the "cup cake" post game interview with DL. By the way, DL said we need to play better again. His answers are nothing, but, "blowing smoke/bull crap".

He doesn’t even seem phased that they just got their ass kicked. No wonder most of the players don’t have a fire in them because he clearly doesn’t. I get you have to be PC with media, but if that was a coach who cared, he’d be giving that interview pissed off.

He is much more measured because most in the NFL are. Some up there let it show like Herm Edwards and others but the idea is not to come off so emotional and become a meme. We all know where "we let them off the hook", "I'm a man I'm 40", "They are who we thought they were, we let them off the hook", etc all comes from. I am pretty sure he is trying to prevent that from happening to himself.

If you are passionate and confident, you don't worry about things like that.

It would not surprise me if the backlash over the "sass" with Matt Present has him being even more careful.

[1ASU78]

Problem is, if you Fire him after 1 year, you lose a chunk of money and what head coach in his right mind will break down the door to coach at a university that gives that short of a leash as to fire someone after 1 year?

A ton of them, especially a FCS coach who wants a chance at the bigger stage. As bad as we are, we still have a brand and are a known program.

Plus, it might prove that we're a university that wants to win and won't settle for mediocre.

What I want to hear from DLo after the game is that this loss and season is on him. Take ownership, tell us it's not acceptable and that changes are coming starting with him.

What he is going to say is “ they don’t know how to win around here and we’ve got to show them. They didn’t go to a bowl last year and we’ve got to change the culture to a winning one”
We’ll maybe not. He used that one a couple times earlier.

[t4pizza]

For all of those that think we need to give DL at least another year, have you seen anything from this team in that past 4 games to suggest an improvement? Have you seen any fire (desire, want to, emotion, whatever term you prefer) in this team? What reasons do you have to give him more time? This isn't 10 years ago when it took multiple recruiting years to turn over a roster and bring in your guys (53 guys on the team are DL's guys that he brought in), multiple guys turn programs around immediately. We don't have that guy. I wanted to give him 2 years (at a minimum) but the past weeks had me wavering and tonight pushed me over the edge. DL does not have what it takes and we need to part ways now rather than later.

[falcoapp]

Anyone who thinks broke App St is firing a coach after a year is smoking something. Plan on 3 years.

[Yosefus]

For all of those that think we need to give DL at least another year, have you seen anything from this team in that past 4 games to suggest an improvement? Have you seen any fire (desire, want to, emotion, whatever term you prefer) in this team? What reasons do you have to give him more time? This isn't 10 years ago when it took multiple recruiting years to turn over a roster and bring in your guys (53 guys on the team are DL's guys that he brought in), multiple guys turn programs around immediately. We don't have that guy. I wanted to give him 2 years (at a minimum) but the past weeks had me wavering and tonight pushed me over the edge. DL does not have what it takes and we need to part ways now rather than later.

The worst part now is no one will want to come play for a losing coach/program. It will take more bucks we dont have to spend. I'm affraid a death spiral has started increasing speed on us

[t4pizza]

Anyone who thinks broke App St is firing a coach after a year is smoking something. Plan on 3 years.

Why wouldn't we? The guy doesn't have it and that is patently obvious to anyone that watches our games.

[WataugaMan]

Problem is, if you Fire him after 1 year, you lose a chunk of money and what head coach in his right mind will break down the door to coach at a university that gives that short of a leash as to fire someone after 1 year?

A ton of them, especially a FCS coach who wants a chance at the bigger stage. As bad as we are, we still have a brand and are a known program.

Plus, it might prove that we're a university that wants to win and won't settle for mediocre.

What I want to hear from DLo after the game is that this loss and season is on him. Take ownership, tell us it's not acceptable and that changes are coming starting with him.

What he is going to say is “ they don’t know how to win around here and we’ve got to show them. They didn’t go to a bowl last year and we’ve got to change the culture to a winning one”
We’ll maybe not. He used that one a couple times earlier.

I caught him saying in the pre-game interview that the players shouldn't focus on the score as the game progresses, or, something like that. I thought, no way he just said that. I'm not sure that's what he said, but, it sounded pretty close to that.

[beav910]

Seems pretty clear to me Gillin tried to hire another Drinkwitz and it hasn't hit (so far). Also seems like Dowell could give a shit less and get fired tomorrow. He'd land another OC job and be fine.

[WataugaMan]

Seems pretty clear to me Gillin tried to hire another Drinkwitz and it hasn't hit (so far). Also seems like Dowell could give a shit less and get fired tomorrow. He'd land another OC job and be fine.

After how he's been calling plays of late who would hire him?

[app97]

Kerwin Bell at WCU would be a good one too, and have him bring his QB. Anyone who can win at WCU is a good coach, and he as a track record of winning everywhere he has been.

Glad they’re not on our schedule this year.

[WASU 93]

We only feel the way we do because we have been on top of the mountain.

Firing anyone at this point is foolish. You need at least five years before you make major changes. One thing in life I wish I had never underestimated is the power of jealousy.

We fired Clark after one losing season. 5-7. A strong argument can be made we
We’re trending the wrong way. But at the time the position was we are App State and we don’t tolerate mediocrity. There were plenty of questions about DLO coming in. Mostly his lack of head
Coaching experience and his meddling nfl career. We all were understanding there would be a learning curve but this is on a whole other level of bad. And I’m it buying this staff knows what the hell they are doing, it’s the players fault. Half of this roster is new so you can’t blame Clark. Ok you want to make the argument DLO, if given outstanding talent, can win and maybe he can, but what if he doesn’t get his dudes? This season is quickly demonstrating his ability to be a good head coach is highly debatable. Firing Clark to get absolutely destroyed by everyone with a pulse the next season is not what anyone was anticipating. We are easily in the bottom 10 of worst FBS teams this year. Let that sink in

Our strength of schedule is ranked #123 of #136 and the two times we've played Top 40 teams, we've produced very little offense and been out of the game at halftime.

[Mjohn1988]

Listening to the "cup cake" post game interview with DL. By the way, DL said we need to play better again. His answers are nothing, but, "blowing smoke/bull crap".

He doesn’t even seem phased that they just got their ass kicked. No wonder most of the players don’t have a fire in them because he clearly doesn’t. I get you have to be PC with media, but if that was a coach who cared, he’d be giving that interview pissed off.

He is much more measured because most in the NFL are. Some up there let it show like Herm Edwards and others but the idea is not to come off so emotional and become a meme. We all know where "we let them off the hook", "I'm a man I'm 40", "They are who we thought they were, we let them off the hook", etc all comes from. I am pretty sure he is trying to prevent that from happening to himself.

Being professional and “measured” is just fine. Playing with your kid on the sidelines while your team is getting completely embarrassed and then having a good laugh with the opposing coach is neither measured or professional. This man is making 7 figures and in my opinion acting like he really doesn’t give a crap. Professional and measured is something I should be able to expect from this guy. But even giving the appearance of not giving a crap is intolerable.

[t4pizza]

Mercer coach.

For those that don't know who 311 is speaking of, here is his bio.

https://mercerbears.com/sports/football ... acobs/3170

Dude knows how to win, something our current coach can't say. Dl has a career 114-146 record with the teams he has coached on, but it is the players that have to learn how to win.

[ASUTodd]

I'll just leave this post from 2024......
"ASUTodd
Re: Coaching Question
Post December 1st, 2024, 11:03 am

Mike Jacobs... That's my pick.
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[yosef69]

We only feel the way we do because we have been on top of the mountain.

Firing anyone at this point is foolish. You need at least five years before you make major changes. One thing in life I wish I had never underestimated is the power of jealousy.

We fired Clark after one losing season. 5-7. A strong argument can be made we
We’re trending the wrong way. But at the time the position was we are App State and we don’t tolerate mediocrity. There were plenty of questions about DLO coming in. Mostly his lack of head
Coaching experience and his meddling nfl career. We all were understanding there would be a learning curve but this is on a whole other level of bad. And I’m it buying this staff knows what the hell they are doing, it’s the players fault. Half of this roster is new so you can’t blame Clark. Ok you want to make the argument DLO, if given outstanding talent, can win and maybe he can, but what if he doesn’t get his dudes? This season is quickly demonstrating his ability to be a good head coach is highly debatable. Firing Clark to get absolutely destroyed by everyone with a pulse the next season is not what anyone was anticipating. We are easily in the bottom 10 of worst FBS teams this year. Let that sink in

Clark had two losing seasons btw

[t4pizza]

We only feel the way we do because we have been on top of the mountain.

Firing anyone at this point is foolish. You need at least five years before you make major changes. One thing in life I wish I had never underestimated is the power of jealousy.

We fired Clark after one losing season. 5-7. A strong argument can be made we
We’re trending the wrong way. But at the time the position was we are App State and we don’t tolerate mediocrity. There were plenty of questions about DLO coming in. Mostly his lack of head
Coaching experience and his meddling nfl career. We all were understanding there would be a learning curve but this is on a whole other level of bad. And I’m it buying this staff knows what the hell they are doing, it’s the players fault. Half of this roster is new so you can’t blame Clark. Ok you want to make the argument DLO, if given outstanding talent, can win and maybe he can, but what if he doesn’t get his dudes? This season is quickly demonstrating his ability to be a good head coach is highly debatable. Firing Clark to get absolutely destroyed by everyone with a pulse the next season is not what anyone was anticipating. We are easily in the bottom 10 of worst FBS teams this year. Let that sink in

Clark had two losing seasons btw

He had 1 losing season at 5-7 and 1 6-6 season which is not a losing season.

[Seattleapp]

We only feel the way we do because we have been on top of the mountain.

Firing anyone at this point is foolish. You need at least five years before you make major changes. One thing in life I wish I had never underestimated is the power of jealousy.

We fired Clark after one losing season. 5-7. A strong argument can be made we
We’re trending the wrong way. But at the time the position was we are App State and we don’t tolerate mediocrity. There were plenty of questions about DLO coming in. Mostly his lack of head
Coaching experience and his meddling nfl career. We all were understanding there would be a learning curve but this is on a whole other level of bad. And I’m it buying this staff knows what the hell they are doing, it’s the players fault. Half of this roster is new so you can’t blame Clark. Ok you want to make the argument DLO, if given outstanding talent, can win and maybe he can, but what if he doesn’t get his dudes? This season is quickly demonstrating his ability to be a good head coach is highly debatable. Firing Clark to get absolutely destroyed by everyone with a pulse the next season is not what anyone was anticipating. We are easily in the bottom 10 of worst FBS teams this year. Let that sink in

Clark had two losing seasons btw

He also won multiple bowl games and beat Texas am on the road. I’m not saying we shoulda kept Clark. I am saying we are too established and successful for what we are putting on the field now