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[ericsaid]

Couldn’t agree more. Quit taking the easy way out. Dig your heels in, practice and get better with your brothers. NFL doesn’t give those 2nd chances for borderline guys.

Hopefully our guys got better in December while others were sitting at home!

I don’t like where cfb is as much as anyone, but there’s something disgusting about the guy making $12MM a year telling the guys (mostly) making a small fraction of that to be happy with their place and not try to make more money? Would anyone agree if the CEO of wal mart said the same thing to the front line workers that make 1/10000 of what he does? I wouldn’t.


We had a chance to fix college football but when you have coaches making many times more than the university CEOs this was only ever going to lead to this.

Sorry, but I can't really agree with your perspective on this one. There's nothing "disgusting" about a coach who has paid his dues and climbed the ladder successfully advising players to do what he did. Work hard and get better. He's absolutely right. Many of the players on his roster have the opportunity to make more than he does. He's telling him what he believes to be the best path, and I agree with him 100%. Finish what you start. He's not telling them never to transfer. He's saying that December is the opportunity to get better. I really do understand your point. I personally think the money being thrown around in college sports (including coaching salaries) is obscene, but I can't blame them for taking advantage of the situation as it exists. That applies to both the coaches and the players.

Merry Christmas!

Kirby had 5 jobs in 5 years “climbing the ladder”

The players only get 5 years total. Most of them are not going to the nfl.

Kirby himself is tampering with anybody he thinks can help him next year

Position coaches work for menial wages relative to an hourly rate and are almost always on a one year contract. They are also employees of the school and not participating in extra-curricular acitivities as a part of their education. Their education is typically completed by that point.


Had the NCAA argued their case correctly, that they are comprised of non-profit membership which does not seek to profit off of players but rather acts in the public interest as educational, research, and providing athletics opportunities that individuals would otherwise not receive, they may have had a different outcome. There is a lot of legalese to this that I don’t necessarily understand but they could have taken a different defense, focusing on being non-profit and constantly reinvesting every cent back into the school, but they didn’t. It’s an educational mission, not athletic.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can 1099 an athlete and require that they be a student or have any eligibility criteria enforced, at all. They are employees. The fact this hasn’t been ruled on is because no one wants to rock the boat that hard yet.


Personally, if I were a lawyer, I’d fish to find someone willing to do it because then the entire system burns to the ground. Kill it off.

[AppDawg]

Position coaches work for menial wages relative to an hourly rate and are almost always on a one year contract. They are also employees of the school and not participating in extra-curricular acitivities as a part of their education. Their education is typically completed by that point.


Had the NCAA argued their case correctly, that they are comprised of non-profit membership which does not seek to profit off of players but rather acts in the public interest as educational, research, and providing athletics opportunities that individuals would otherwise not receive, they may have had a different outcome. There is a lot of legalese to this that I don’t necessarily understand but they could have taken a different defense, focusing on being non-profit and constantly reinvesting every cent back into the school, but they didn’t. It’s an educational mission, not athletic.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can 1099 an athlete and require that they be a student or have any eligibility criteria enforced, at all. They are employees. The fact this hasn’t been ruled on is because no one wants to rock the boat that hard yet.


Personally, if I were a lawyer, I’d fish to find someone willing to do it because then the entire system burns to the ground. Kill it off.

This is exactly why it is imperative UGA Wins their lawsuit. Best write up I have seen explaining the nuance and needle colleges and universities/NCAa have tried to thread. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... er-damages

[Yosef84]

Hey, you guys are free to hate Kirby, but there's nothing about Georgia's program that isn't true of every other elite P4. Regarding the "tampering" comment, I'd be interested what that is based on. Georgia relies less on transfers than any other team in the playoffs by a LONG shot. If App were to learn lessons from a P4 program about building and maintaining a winning culture, we could do worse than to take lessons from Georgia. I do realize that he has the advantage of being at the top of the food chain, which is difficult to duplicate at the G6 level.

Just seems that discounting the comments of the top coach in the sport just being the wage disparity is a bit of a naive position. I'm NOT calling the individual(s) naive...just the position in this instance. There is a hierarchy. There always has been and always will be. Those at the bottom are paid better than ever before (players in particular). I don't think there is any support for the concept that everyone should fit into the same template. Even the original concept of NIL had nothing to do with an equitable distribution of wealth. It has to do with the perceived value of the individual. That's the reality. It's not likely to change. Again...I'm not defending the extreme pay of head coaches (a long with the guarantees they have) these days. That's another topic and it's out of control. I'm just talking about an elite coach who make 100% correct comments about how his team should be focused in December.

[Mjohn1988]

Couldn’t agree more. Quit taking the easy way out. Dig your heels in, practice and get better with your brothers. NFL doesn’t give those 2nd chances for borderline guys.

Hopefully our guys got better in December while others were sitting at home!

I don’t like where cfb is as much as anyone, but there’s something disgusting about the guy making $12MM a year telling the guys (mostly) making a small fraction of that to be happy with their place and not try to make more money? Would anyone agree if the CEO of wal mart said the same thing to the front line workers that make 1/10000 of what he does? I wouldn’t.


We had a chance to fix college football but when you have coaches making many times more than the university CEOs this was only ever going to lead to this.

Sorry, but I can't really agree with your perspective on this one. There's nothing "disgusting" about a coach who has paid his dues and climbed the ladder successfully advising players to do what he did. Work hard and get better. He's absolutely right. Many of the players on his roster have the opportunity to make more than he does. He's telling him what he believes to be the best path, and I agree with him 100%. Finish what you start. He's not telling them never to transfer. He's saying that December is the opportunity to get better. I really do understand your point. I personally think the money being thrown around in college sports (including coaching salaries) is obscene, but I can't blame them for taking advantage of the situation as it exists. That applies to both the coaches and the players.

Merry Christmas!

Kirby had 5 jobs in 5 years “climbing the ladder”

The players only get 5 years total. Most of them are not going to the nfl.

Kirby himself is tampering with anybody he thinks can help him next year

Position coaches work for menial wages relative to an hourly rate and are almost always on a one year contract. They are also employees of the school and not participating in extra-curricular acitivities as a part of their education. Their education is typically completed by that point.


Had the NCAA argued their case correctly, that they are comprised of non-profit membership which does not seek to profit off of players but rather acts in the public interest as educational, research, and providing athletics opportunities that individuals would otherwise not receive, they may have had a different outcome. There is a lot of legalese to this that I don’t necessarily understand but they could have taken a different defense, focusing on being non-profit and constantly reinvesting every cent back into the school, but they didn’t. It’s an educational mission, not athletic.

Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can 1099 an athlete and require that they be a student or have any eligibility criteria enforced, at all. They are employees. The fact this hasn’t been ruled on is because no one wants to rock the boat that hard yet.


Personally, if I were a lawyer, I’d fish to find someone willing to do it because then the entire system burns to the ground. Kill it off.

I’m a huge college football fan but the truth is they should have been putting any profits from sports back into academics. The facilities got crazy, the coaches salaries got crazy and now we have what we have. College sports should have stayed a tool to help round out education and attract students that otherwise might not have gone to college.

[appdaze]

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[Bootsy]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

[MrCraig]

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You cannot make this stuff up; we are going further and further into the looking glass.

Not tryna be a jerk, but high school players have been manipulating their residence in order to “transfer” for… ever. Add onto that how private schools are allowed to recruit. Honestly, college football is just catching up to what HS has been doing for a long time.

I WILL say that down here in GA, the GHSA has gotten a lot more strict with students moving schools and making them sit out a year unless they fully establish primary residence in the school district.

[T-Dog]

Yeah, for years there's been a lot of unoccupied bedrooms at aunt's and uncle's houses that happened to be in a certain school district. I personally know of one case where an assistant coach for one school followed a player home to prove they were at the wrong school. And this was way before this modern era of collegiate athletics.