Realistic coaching options for 2025...

[t4pizza]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

[AppSt94]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

Do you know that we didn’t?

[goapps93]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

I question why he would want to go to UNCC.

[JTApps1]

Gotta support him and see where things go. I'm eager to see who he hires. He needs to seriously consider keeping Cummings at OL.

[t4pizza]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

Do you know that we didn’t?

I do not, but his name was never mentioned (not that it would matter) on here. If we did meet with him, what did we like about our new hire over him? Head coaching experience? Clearly no. Winning record as a peer coach including 3 consecutive 10 win seasons and a conference title? Clearly no. Longevity with a program? Can't be that considering Albin has been at Ohio since 2005. Experience handling NIL and Portal with less resources? Can't be that either. Honestly, I have no idea what our criteria was (sounds like a strong interview was key) but I would think that we would have at least considered the above points when deciding on a new head coach. Our new hire checks none of those boxes, but hey he spent a lot of time in the NFL and has a hell of an interview so he must be good. I'll get over this frustrations soon and turn to support of our coach, but not tonight. I am just waiting to hear some positives tht I can get excited about, but haven't heard anything yet.

[311neers]

Hope some y’all’s knees don’t hurt too long from all these knee-jerk reactions.

How's it a knee jerk reaction? It's reported he's being hired....he hasn't had much success...and we get to talk about the hire. He's got a lot to prove. For folks to be skeptical of the hire is not earth shattering.

Because he’s already being written off and the sky is falling.

What, exactly, is there to be excited about with this hire????

It’s something new and not a known 6-6. We’re trying at least, instead of sticking with mediocrity.

[AppSt94]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

Do you know that we didn’t?

I do not, but his name was never mentioned (not that it would matter) on here. If we did meet with him, what did we like about our new hire over him? Head coaching experience? Clearly no. Winning record as a peer coach including 3 consecutive 10 win seasons and a conference title? Clearly no. Longevity with a program? Can't be that considering Albin has been at Ohio since 2005. Experience handling NIL and Portal with less resources? Can't be that either. Honestly, I have no idea what our criteria was (sounds like a strong interview was key) but I would think that we would have at least considered the above points when deciding on a new head coach. Our new hire checks none of those boxes, but hey he spent a lot of time in the NFL and has a hell of an interview so he must be good. I'll get over this frustrations soon and turn to support of our coach, but not tonight. I am just waiting to hear some positives tht I can get excited about, but haven't heard anything yet.

I get all of that. But the absence of information doesn’t mean that it was a miss. It just opens up the door to speculation and supposition. There may not have been interest by one party or the other. Not directed at you but this whole coaching search conversation is similar to a lot of in game frustration that comes from expectations. There is a desire to hire my guy and when we didn’t, it was a miss.

[t4pizza]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

Do you know that we didn’t?

I do not, but his name was never mentioned (not that it would matter) on here. If we did meet with him, what did we like about our new hire over him? Head coaching experience? Clearly no. Winning record as a peer coach including 3 consecutive 10 win seasons and a conference title? Clearly no. Longevity with a program? Can't be that considering Albin has been at Ohio since 2005. Experience handling NIL and Portal with less resources? Can't be that either. Honestly, I have no idea what our criteria was (sounds like a strong interview was key) but I would think that we would have at least considered the above points when deciding on a new head coach. Our new hire checks none of those boxes, but hey he spent a lot of time in the NFL and has a hell of an interview so he must be good. I'll get over this frustrations soon and turn to support of our coach, but not tonight. I am just waiting to hear some positives tht I can get excited about, but haven't heard anything yet.

I get all of that. But the absence of information doesn’t mean that it was a miss. It just opens up the door to speculation and supposition. There may not have been interest by one party or the other. Not directed at you but this whole coaching search conversation is similar to a lot of in game frustration that comes from expectations. There is a desire to hire my guy and when we didn’t, it was a miss.

Sure, I get that. Nobody really knows anything about our search and what candidates we looked at. I just am very confused how his resume excited anyone enough to even bring him in for an interview, let alone hire him. We are a winning program, i would think that we would look for that quality in a coach and this guy just doesn't have much winning in his coaching career. I guess in the end, a lot of NFL experience (regardless of losses) really impresses people.

[PhillyApp1]

Hoping next year ericsaid hasn't changed his name to ericsaiditoldyouso.

I'm whelmed.

Sadly, right now I would be much happier with his choice of Tre Lamb.

atleast this guy has SEC connections.... and knows SEC recruiting eyes

[PhillyApp1]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

because the MAC is beneath us.... and we expect better than the MAC

[BambooRdApp]

So, you hire bad interviewees?

No, I’m sometimes on an interview team that gives input, but the team’s opinions rarely matter. I was implying more along the lines of people I’ve encountered that are completely full of crap and decent at selling themselves…they tend to impress gullible folks who fall for every sales pitch. Proof is in pudding pretty quickly, but I work in a profession where it’s difficult to get rid of those folks. Not necessarily the case with our new HC, but it sounds like he was hired primarily due to his sales pitch over resume. I’d love to know who the other serious finalists were and if we just couldn’t afford them/they backed out, etc.

I actually do interview potential new professionals throughout the year as our firm has a need or if we are referred a candidate that has a good reputation. There are candidates who "knock it out of the park"...and, of those, some knock it out of the park, some are average professionals and some just do not work out. It is the nature of the profession. So my question is.
Were you a part of interview process and other due diligence related to the hiring of this new App. St. head football coach? Do you have a past history of working with the new head football coach? Have you been at oj-field practice and/or team rooms where our new HC has worked with players under him? Do you have direct knowledge of the personality of this football coach?
If all of the answers to these questions are "NO"...then, IMHO, it is a weird take to project negativity around the idea that sometimes a "good interview" is potentially a bad aspect of the process when you were not even part of the process.
This is like a glass half empty take or just trying to find an issue with a new hire that you know nothing about.

Second, how do you even know other interviewees price were out of the market. On Neal Brown...From what I heard, he prefers wku over app. st. If that is the case, hard no. Maybe the other candidates did not interview well.

[beav910]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

I question why he would want to go to UNCC.

Only thing I can think of is more money than here and less expectations. Maybe he thinks his reputation will survive if it doesn’t work there and he can land somewhere else.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Basically it appears that the hiring criteria by our resident professionals is that our new head coach was previously a head coach at a successful program for several years and during his previous stops he always won. If that’s indeed true then the available options were probably somewhat limited. I totally understand that it’s a results based industry but to simply look at wins and losses for a guy who spent most of his career as an assistant or coordinator is a bit shortsighted in my opinion. We pay people and I assume experienced search firms to seek out qualified candidates. To immediately bitch, cry and complain is both juvenile and baffling to me.

[BallantyneApp]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

because the MAC is beneath us.... and we expect better than the MAC

The MAC is below us in competition level but it’s still a great conference with good schools. It’s just been hit by the demographics bug.

Ohio is the oldest public uni in Ohio (only a few years younger than unc)

We absolutely should have taken a look and interviewed here. Remember cignetti came to a traditional bottom feeder in the big 10 from a “lesser” conference and delivered them the best season they’ve ever had.

[AppDub]

"Anyone who runs shotgun on 4th and Goal from the 1 deserves to be fired."

I long for the days of hands on butts for short yardage plays.

Easy, this is a football site.

[bcoach]

They hired a guy that has 3 consecutive 10 win seasons at Ohio and just won the MAC title last night. We have a guy with no head coaching experience. They got a much more proven coach. Why didn't we take a look at him?

because the MAC is beneath us.... and we expect better than the MAC

Never mind

[Stonewall]

Shane Beamer hired him. Certainly his detractors here are more qualified to vet his qualifications than one of the better coaches in the nation.

[ASUTodd]

Shane Beamer hired him. Certainly his detractors here are more qualified to vet his qualifications than one of the better coaches in the nation.

Head coaching record is 29-21.... One of the better coaches is a stretch.

[MrCraig]

Shane Beamer hired him. Certainly his detractors here are more qualified to vet his qualifications than one of the better coaches in the nation.

Head coaching record is 29-21.... One of the better coaches is a stretch.

I’d agree with Stonewall that he is at the very least a top 40th percentile coach. He inherited a SC program that was just about the worst they’ve ever been and has them in the SEC conversation in just a few years. He’s good at his job.

[BambooRdApp]

Shane Beamer hired him. Certainly his detractors here are more qualified to vet his qualifications than one of the better coaches in the nation.

Head coaching record is 29-21.... One of the better coaches is a stretch.

That record at USC with the dumpster fire that the former coach left the Cocks are indications of a good coach...