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[GlassOnion]

Why was Dale Jones moved from defensive coordinator in 2010-2012 to just defensive line coach in 2013?

He was trying to implement the current defense with 4-3 guys and our fan base didn't give him enough time to make the change. He was retained and moved positions because he was on a multi year contract.

Look at the results of those 3 years, and tell us exactly what progress he made in the time he was given.

Gave up 38+ points in 8 games, blowout losses to peers, including The Citadel. Exactly how much more time was justified?

The real question is why a guy that couldn't handle FCS competition was given the keys a second time.

[AppStFan1]

Right. Caring about one donor is small time BS. We are past that. If he takes his name off stuff bc his Beau gets fired, he can go throw money at Western.

I agree. I’m just saying as much access as Tommy is given that would be an awkward conversation. Shawn is good friends with him apparently as well. I don’t think this is an easy fire by any means.

Oh yeah. He is tight with all those 90s guys and long time App alumni. But hopefully everyone else realizes this program is bigger than all of these things. Heck if we nudged Moore out, we definitely can nudge others out.

Definitely tight with them. We definitely can. I just don’t think there is any chance it happens now. I think it would take a losing season for that to happen.

[AppStateNews]

Why was Dale Jones moved from defensive coordinator in 2010-2012 to just defensive line coach in 2013?

He was trying to implement the current defense with 4-3 guys and our fan base didn't give him enough time to make the change. He was retained and moved positions because he was on a multi year contract.

Look at the results of those 3 years, and tell us exactly what progress he made in the time he was given.

Gave up 38+ points in 8 games, blowout losses to peers, including The Citadel. Exactly how much more time was justified?

The real question is why a guy that couldn't handle FCS competition was given the keys a second time.

It took Nate Woody almost as long and he had been running the defense for years.

Agree Jones is struggling, but until injuries last year, his first 2 years he produced a lights out defense.

You may not like the answer, but that is the answer. The question is why was he demoted and retained at a different position previously. I gave the reason why.

[bcoach]

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

You are throwing around a lot of speculations I’ll give you that

What is the speculation? It is a fact that Dale Jones is in a relationship with Tommy Sofield's daughter. Tommy is a big money booster who is on our sideline every single game, has direct access to Clark, Gillin, and anyone else he wants in our program. For those who want Dale Jones gone this is not as simple as just getting rid of Dale without expecting major blow back.

Any program ham strung by one donor is not a good program. If you make decisions based on the romantic relationships of people who give money to the program, you are asking for program rot. I don’t care how much this dude donates, if App keeps losing, fans quit showing up. Fans quit showing up, money stops coming in, and ALL sports will suffer. IF all that is true, it certainly taints my view of Clark and Gillin a lot.

IF and I say IF it is true DG needs to go. Did I say IF ? Just in case let me say IF

[GlassOnion]

Why was Dale Jones moved from defensive coordinator in 2010-2012 to just defensive line coach in 2013?

He was trying to implement the current defense with 4-3 guys and our fan base didn't give him enough time to make the change. He was retained and moved positions because he was on a multi year contract.

Look at the results of those 3 years, and tell us exactly what progress he made in the time he was given.

Gave up 38+ points in 8 games, blowout losses to peers, including The Citadel. Exactly how much more time was justified?

The real question is why a guy that couldn't handle FCS competition was given the keys a second time.

It took Nate Woody almost as long and he had been running the defense for years.

Agree Jones is struggling, but until injuries last year, his first 2 years he produced a lights out defense.

You may not like the answer, but that is the answer. The question is why was he demoted and retained at a different position previously. I gave the reason why.

The first 2 years he was basically running his predecessor's defense, with his predecessor's players. We went from sniffing the top 25, to getting gashed by basement dwellers and FCS move ups. Everyone cringes when the defense* is on the field for a reason, and it's not cause they don't like DJ. The guy produced incredible LBs for us.

[BayouApp]

I remember when in 2019, the defense gave up 41 points to UNCC and it was a calamity. I myself said Roof should be fired ASAP. The players even said Roof was trying to do some new defensive things that didn't work.

The next day, Drinkwitz moved Roof to the booth, made sure some defensive gameplan changes were made and refused to let the defensive coaches speak to the media that week (which I disagreed with). The App defense has had two games worse than that UNCC game in the last seven played and a general issue with any team that has a QB who can throw the ball decently. Not to mention a putrid third down defense.

I think there needs to be serious changes with the defensive staff ASAP.

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

[yosef69]

I remember when in 2019, the defense gave up 41 points to UNCC and it was a calamity. I myself said Roof should be fired ASAP. The players even said Roof was trying to do some new defensive things that didn't work.

The next day, Drinkwitz moved Roof to the booth, made sure some defensive gameplan changes were made and refused to let the defensive coaches speak to the media that week (which I disagreed with). The App defense has had two games worse than that UNCC game in the last seven played and a general issue with any team that has a QB who can throw the ball decently. Not to mention a putrid third down defense.

I think there needs to be serious changes with the defensive staff ASAP.

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

Dale is married to a very large donors daughters. The IPF is named after him.

[bigdaddyg]

It just gets tough when we have the other guys in a 2nd and 8 and they commit a holding penalty, we decline to put them in 3rd and 8 and there is a sense that we are gonna give up 10+ yards. On the flip side when we get 8 on our first down we know it's a run up the gut on 2nd and 3rd with a sense that we will lose a yard and go for it on 4th and the play call is a difficult throw to the outside.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Why was Dale Jones moved from defensive coordinator in 2010-2012 to just defensive line coach in 2013?

He was trying to implement the current defense with 4-3 guys and our fan base didn't give him enough time to make the change. He was retained and moved positions because he was on a multi year contract.

Thank you. I legit couldn't remember.

[BayouApp]

I remember when in 2019, the defense gave up 41 points to UNCC and it was a calamity. I myself said Roof should be fired ASAP. The players even said Roof was trying to do some new defensive things that didn't work.

The next day, Drinkwitz moved Roof to the booth, made sure some defensive gameplan changes were made and refused to let the defensive coaches speak to the media that week (which I disagreed with). The App defense has had two games worse than that UNCC game in the last seven played and a general issue with any team that has a QB who can throw the ball decently. Not to mention a putrid third down defense.

I think there needs to be serious changes with the defensive staff ASAP.

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

Dale is married to a very large donors daughters. The IPF is named after him.

Got it. But do we really know that is a primary driver of decisions.

[AppStateNews]

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

Dale is married to a very large donors daughters. The IPF is named after him.

Got it. But do we really know that is a primary driver of decisions.

No. And nobody claimed that. It was a question on if it might be playing a role.

[311neers]

We need to recruit size and speed. That, along with poor coaching, has bitten us in the butt against improving competition. Small in the trenches and slow in the secondary. “but we don’t have the budget, it’s too cold, blah blah blah”.

[yosef69]

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

Dale is married to a very large donors daughters. The IPF is named after him.

Got it. But do we really know that is a primary driver of decisions.

How could it not, to a certain extent?

[bcoach]

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

Dale is married to a very large donors daughters. The IPF is named after him.

Got it. But do we really know that is a primary driver of decisions.

Like many things on here no we do not.

[appstate5]

There's some stuff happening behind the scenes that we don't see. I'll leave it at that. Clark hasn't lost the locker room or anything, but he may be learning quickly he's too much of a players coach.

Noel was not going to play today. He's still not 100%.

Also, players are not executing on game day what is executed in game planning. Ultimately, that's on coaching but not entirely. Player leaders need to step up and make the rest realize what it takes. Its not just practice. It's living and breathing App State football. We have some guys that aren't doing that right now.

Like players(Chase Brice) drinking at Ale House after the JMU game??!!

[AppStFan1]

I remember when in 2019, the defense gave up 41 points to UNCC and it was a calamity. I myself said Roof should be fired ASAP. The players even said Roof was trying to do some new defensive things that didn't work.

The next day, Drinkwitz moved Roof to the booth, made sure some defensive gameplan changes were made and refused to let the defensive coaches speak to the media that week (which I disagreed with). The App defense has had two games worse than that UNCC game in the last seven played and a general issue with any team that has a QB who can throw the ball decently. Not to mention a putrid third down defense.

I think there needs to be serious changes with the defensive staff ASAP.

This lukewarm take is being vilkified on here and by the old heads on twitter.

In my opinion a change in DC is just the start.

As has been mentioned on here before that is very difficult to do since he is dating the daughter of a booster that is so important that he stands on the sideline at every single game, both on the road and home. I literally saw her father standing on the sideline at least a dozen times on TV in this loss. Of course he has enough money if he really loves App he would pay him 150k to sit home and not be our DC but you know that won't happen. lol

Admittedly, I do not know anything about this situation beyond what I read on the board but I am a little uncomfortable with these allegations about booster nepotism. Do any of of really know the truth?

I'm not saying that we could never ever fire Jones but it is not happening right now. Things will have to get a lot worse before that happens. There are several here who know this. I have seen Dale and her together. Her father is on the sideline at every game. He came out of the locker room area with the team at A&M as well. He pretty much has 100% inside access. Because of this there is no way that they easily just drop Jones. A DC change is not happening now. If we go 5-7 or 6-6 and give up 35+ every game then perhaps it happens at the end of this year but if we rebound and finish 8-4 I would bet money that this does not happen.

[BeauFoster]

There's some stuff happening behind the scenes that we don't see. I'll leave it at that. Clark hasn't lost the locker room or anything, but he may be learning quickly he's too much of a players coach.

Noel was not going to play today. He's still not 100%.

Also, players are not executing on game day what is executed in game planning. Ultimately, that's on coaching but not entirely. Player leaders need to step up and make the rest realize what it takes. Its not just practice. It's living and breathing App State football. We have some guys that aren't doing that right now.

Like players(Chase Brice) drinking at Ale House after the JMU game??!!

I don’t get how this is even remotely an issue. He’s of age, he’s just played a hard game-win or lose he deserves the option to have a beer or two. What’s he supposed to do, sit in his apartment and cry?

[311neers]

There's some stuff happening behind the scenes that we don't see. I'll leave it at that. Clark hasn't lost the locker room or anything, but he may be learning quickly he's too much of a players coach.

Noel was not going to play today. He's still not 100%.

Also, players are not executing on game day what is executed in game planning. Ultimately, that's on coaching but not entirely. Player leaders need to step up and make the rest realize what it takes. Its not just practice. It's living and breathing App State football. We have some guys that aren't doing that right now.

Like players(Chase Brice) drinking at Ale House after the JMU game??!!

I don’t get how this is even remotely an issue. He’s of age, he’s just played a hard game-win or lose he deserves the option to have a beer or two. What’s he supposed to do, sit in his apartment and cry?

We went out after games all the time win or lose.
Also, I was at Ale House until Midnight after the JMU game, Chase brice was not at that bar. But don’t blame him one bit if he did. he’s 25 years old and coaching and defense blew that one.

[Appmountaineers19]

There's some stuff happening behind the scenes that we don't see. I'll leave it at that. Clark hasn't lost the locker room or anything, but he may be learning quickly he's too much of a players coach.

Noel was not going to play today. He's still not 100%.

Also, players are not executing on game day what is executed in game planning. Ultimately, that's on coaching but not entirely. Player leaders need to step up and make the rest realize what it takes. Its not just practice. It's living and breathing App State football. We have some guys that aren't doing that right now.

Like players(Chase Brice) drinking at Ale House after the JMU game??!!

I don’t get how this is even remotely an issue. He’s of age, he’s just played a hard game-win or lose he deserves the option to have a beer or two. What’s he supposed to do, sit in his apartment and cry?

Thank you Beau

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Didn’t even travel

Supposedly was a non-football related injury. Have no idea what that means. As our man Eric Church said, when it rains it pours!


Sorry bad joke just trying to make myself happy again

First of all, I hate you. 2nd, shouldn’t we have learned to keep our players away from lawnmowers?

I assume you know the real lawnmower (lack of a lawnmower) story. Biggest lie in App football history.

THROW me a bone and fill me in. I’d love to have a WINDOW into this.

Dammit Beau!