Let's talk about Clark

[WVAPPeer]

Oh - wait that's right - I forgot - you give more money and have been a fan longer - OOPS

[Saint3333]

You’ve never been able to debate with logic only feelings, no matter the subject.

Alums are going to give their opinion with or without your permission.

Keep the personal attacks coming, let your true colors show…

[Saint3333]

Oh - wait that's right - I forgot - you give more money and have been a fan longer - OOPS

You argued just this week about post counts with 1969, the hypocrisy is there for all to see.

No one doubts my first and only loyalty…

[WVAPPeer]

Again - I question your reading skills - I already you don't know shit about playing or coaching football - hey but you give more money and have been a fan longer so just keep giving money and all will be fine ---

[DenverOfTheEast]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

[Saint3333]

Again - I question your reading skills - I already you don't know shit about playing or coaching football - hey but you give more money and have been a fan longer so just keep giving money and all will be fine ---

I will, thanks for your concern. We could you additional funding no doubt, step up.

Luckily my opinion on football and all things Appalachian is respected by most on this board.

If we listened to your takes on here we’d still be in the FCS and wearing masks.

[Saint3333]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

Laney held App State athletics back by at least a decade.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

Laney held App State athletics back by at least a decade.

Post facts not opinions -- that is the difference between me and most of y'all. I usually have data and/or decisions that impact my stances.

For PETER'S sake Boone didn't even have liquor by the drink back then. stop bashing Laney....

How does and AD hold a department back in the 90's when football isn't really what it is now.... if we don't have money now, imagine what they didn't have when Laney was in charge. a young growing university during his era.

[AppinVA]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

Laney held App State athletics back by at least a decade.

Post facts not opinions -- that is the difference between me and most of y'all. I usually have data and/or decisions that impact my stances.

For PETER'S sake Boone didn't even have liquor by the drink back then. stop bashing Laney....

How does and AD hold a department back in the 90's when football isn't really what it is now.... if we don't have money now, imagine what they didn't have when Laney was in charge. a young growing university during his era.

There are very few absolutes in the world, but you will NEVER win an argument here by defending Roach, Drip or Toot.

[AppStFan1]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

I will not argue the points about Cobb because he did those things and I felt mixed about his time at App but I am glad we got rid of Laney and that Cobb had the vision to go FBS.

Some inside info and facts you probably don't know or else you would not praise Laney

Laney was not going to fire Moore because he did not want to make the program bigger. Laney held this program back for so long. He was quite happy with what App was doing. He told people App could not raise the money and we would be a losing program in I-A. We had a lot of people who were ready to move on from Moore for sure because we had underachieved like in 1995 and other years but we were still a winning program despite Laney not giving Moore all that he needed. Laney also made a lot of enemies and was the reason our attendance and giving were down.

Bork never thought App could go I-A and put his buddy Laney in place because he did not want to either. They wanted App to be small time. Bork actually told people who argued that App should go I-A that he did not have an AD that could do it and was happy where we were. Laney told many people he did not want the YC to give more than 1M a year because he did not want boosters to have any power. I was among those who literally heard Laney tell that to people. He came from a D2 program had small time mindset and wanted App to be small time. He was not capable nor had the desire to help App move up.

We never had anyone in power within the NC Board of Governors who could fire Borkowski or Laney until finally in 2004 we had 2 alumni, Wilson and Adcock, who had big dreams for App State and were in position to make a change. They went to him and told him what they wanted. Bork told them he did not have an AD who could make that move and they basically said "you are right and that is why we are making changes". So they fired Bork with cause because he was an alcoholic and interviewed a few people. When they talked to Peacock he told the he wanted to make App as big as it could be and that he would do what they wanted. They instructed him to fire Laney and get an AD who has the same dreams they do. They told him we want to be I-A.

So back in 2004, Ken told Roachel he could resign or be fired because he was making a change. Jerry Moore had gone 6-5 in 2004 and Ken did not want to rush and fire him since the offense changed and wanted to see how the program was being run. Ken was not a football guy but he understand the impact and quickly made the changes in the program to help give Moore all he could so whatever happened in 2005 would be fair to Jerry and the program. He jokingly told people that Moore need to win the title to save his job but I think in reality as long as we made playoffs and got past first round he was going to keep Moore.

A couple things about Moore that you also likely don't know. The reason he was forced to step down is because Peacock and Cobb wanted to go FBS and he did not. He also wanted his son to be named head coach instead of Satt.
Jerry was smart to listen to Satt and others. Back in 2004 when we went to Wyoming and got blown out he wanted to change the offense back but was convinced to give it a few weeks. It was the best decision he ever made and he had to be talked into it. Jerry was not the one who pushed making those decisions.

Gerald Adams told myself and many others that giving to the YC doubled or tripled, I don't remember exactly, within a week or two of Laney resigning. In fact, go back and look at attendance in 2004 and 2005 and you will see that him stepping down saw an immediate rise in attendance and donations. Attendance was up from game one that year before it even appeared we could win the title. Those are actual facts.

App should have gone I-A with ECU when the split happened and set themselves back a long time with Laney and Borkowski. I am glad that Jerry did not veto what the assistants wanted and that he embraced change. It saved his job and allowed us to have some consistency in coaching, along with the other variables, that won that title in 2005. The rest after that is history.

[AppStFan1]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

Laney held App State athletics back by at least a decade.

Probably a little longer than that! lol. Laney was propped up by Bork who did not want to move up and Laney made a lot of enemies. I remember some of our best players saying they would not come back to Boone until Laney was gone. When he left they all came back.

[AppStFan1]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

Laney held App State athletics back by at least a decade.

Post facts not opinions -- that is the difference between me and most of y'all. I usually have data and/or decisions that impact my stances.

For PETER'S sake Boone didn't even have liquor by the drink back then. stop bashing Laney....

How does and AD hold a department back in the 90's when football isn't really what it is now.... if we don't have money now, imagine what they didn't have when Laney was in charge. a young growing university during his era.

Laney purposely did not try to increase funding and wanted to stay small time. I know him personally and I can say he was inept, a jerk, and had no vision. There is a reason that Ken took over in 2004 and the first big decision he made was to force Laney to resign or be fired. We were never going to go FBS with Laney and Ken knew it. He gave Jerry Moore support and wanted to see how 2005 went. Jerry was very much coaching for his job that year. Ken was brilliant and the best supporter of App State ever. I am so thankful that Wilson and Adcock got in the position to make changes and forced Bork out, hired Ken, and encouraged Ken to get rid of Laney.

[WVAPPeer]

I'm not questioning any of this - but why would leaders want to keep their university "small time"

[AppStFan1]

I'm not questioning any of this - but why would leaders want to keep their university "small time"

They did not think the small town of Boone could handle it. Bork and Laney liked being a small school and did not want the added responsibilities, pressure and increased work load of moving up. They wanted to keep the status quo. Laney kept the funding down on purpose and did not promote the product. He literally told friends of his that he held back the YC to prevent it from giving over 1M because then boosters would make the calls.

Think back to 2005 how the team was being promoted and just the feel on campus. It changed and that is directly because of Ken and getting rid of Laney. A program will rise, fall, or stay dormant 100% due to the leadership on campus and those men on the board of governors had a vision and chose Ken because he shared that vision.

remember media who covered us telling me that we would never go I-A/FBS because of money. That is why the AAC always passed on us, why CUSA never took us, etc. The only reason the Sun Belt took App is because we were a winning brand and they knew they could not get TV market schools since the AAC and CUSA ws taking them so they took schools who were winning on the field. Remember a lot of our people never wanted to move up because they thought it would cost too much money, not in a TV market, and thought we would struggle to win. I know several fans who really thought it was a mistake. They also did not want to go to a league where they could not travel to every game.

[BeauFoster]

I'm not questioning any of this - but why would leaders want to keep their university "small time"

Because sometime people lack ambition and don’t believe they (or things they’re associated with) can be bigger and/or better. They accept status quo and are happy with being a little guy.

[AppStFan1]

I'm not questioning any of this - but why would leaders want to keep their university "small time"

Because sometime people lack ambition and don’t believe they (or things they’re associated with) can be bigger and/or better. They accept status quo and are happy with being a little guy.

Exactly. They were among many out there who think small. It was frustrating but we finally got rid of them. Adcock and Wilson were so livid with Bork and Laney. Small time thinking held us back for so long but thank goodness for those two boosters who had the power to make those changes.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Laney did not fire Moore and he did hire Buzz.
2 facts that have not been disputed by any old timers so far. So my points stand.

Armanti Edwards won for Moore.

App State football BC / AD = Armanti Edwards and you find the truth, also Satt coming back had a lot to do with it.

College athletics is NOT a family business. Jerry should never be allowed to make his son a big part of it.

And in App State in 2023 guess what Boosters do run App State = Dougie doesn't make a BIG decision without asking 7/10 members of the Circle of Excellence their opinion, you all know the main two, (Ricks and Sofield), JK Reaves and Avery Hall get asked if its a football decision, Chad Seigler Scott Lampe, Jay Howard, Jeff Chesson, Phillip Byers gets asked about other decisions. Dougie makes sure he has backing before pulling the big trigger or building a new building for sure.

So Laney's vision was correct - booster's do run the place. and App St moved up at the correct time, after they won 3 1-AA titles and not before in mediocrity. Winning the championships helped build the FBS monster.

[pop5app]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

I will not argue the points about Cobb because he did those things and I felt mixed about his time at App but I am glad we got rid of Laney and that Cobb had the vision to go FBS.

Some inside info and facts you probably don't know or else you would not praise Laney

Laney was not going to fire Moore because he did not want to make the program bigger. Laney held this program back for so long. He was quite happy with what App was doing. He told people App could not raise the money and we would be a losing program in I-A. We had a lot of people who were ready to move on from Moore for sure because we had underachieved like in 1995 and other years but we were still a winning program despite Laney not giving Moore all that he needed. Laney also made a lot of enemies and was the reason our attendance and giving were down.

Bork never thought App could go I-A and put his buddy Laney in place because he did not want to either. They wanted App to be small time. Bork actually told people who argued that App should go I-A that he did not have an AD that could do it and was happy where we were. Laney told many people he did not want the YC to give more than 1M a year because he did not want boosters to have any power. I was among those who literally heard Laney tell that to people. He came from a D2 program had small time mindset and wanted App to be small time. He was not capable nor had the desire to help App move up.

We never had anyone in power within the NC Board of Governors who could fire Borkowski or Laney until finally in 2004 we had 2 alumni, Wilson and Adcock, who had big dreams for App State and were in position to make a change. They went to him and told him what they wanted. Bork told them he did not have an AD who could make that move and they basically said "you are right and that is why we are making changes". So they fired Bork with cause because he was an alcoholic and interviewed a few people. When they talked to Peacock he told the he wanted to make App as big as it could be and that he would do what they wanted. They instructed him to fire Laney and get an AD who has the same dreams they do. They told him we want to be I-A.

So back in 2004, Ken told Roachel he could resign or be fired because he was making a change. Jerry Moore had gone 6-5 in 2004 and Ken did not want to rush and fire him since the offense changed and wanted to see how the program was being run. Ken was not a football guy but he understand the impact and quickly made the changes in the program to help give Moore all he could so whatever happened in 2005 would be fair to Jerry and the program. He jokingly told people that Moore need to win the title to save his job but I think in reality as long as we made playoffs and got past first round he was going to keep Moore.

A couple things about Moore that you also likely don't know. The reason he was forced to step down is because Peacock and Cobb wanted to go FBS and he did not. He also wanted his son to be named head coach instead of Satt.
Jerry was smart to listen to Satt and others. Back in 2004 when we went to Wyoming and got blown out he wanted to change the offense back but was convinced to give it a few weeks. It was the best decision he ever made and he had to be talked into it. Jerry was not the one who pushed making those decisions.

Gerald Adams told myself and many others that giving to the YC doubled or tripled, I don't remember exactly, within a week or two of Laney resigning. In fact, go back and look at attendance in 2004 and 2005 and you will see that him stepping down saw an immediate rise in attendance and donations. Attendance was up from game one that year before it even appeared we could win the title. Those are actual facts.

App should have gone I-A with ECU when the split happened and set themselves back a long time with Laney and Borkowski. I am glad that Jerry did not veto what the assistants wanted and that he embraced change. It saved his job and allowed us to have some consistency in coaching, along with the other variables, that won that title in 2005. The rest after that is history.

WOW! Finally someone with the balls to tell the story EXACTLY the way it happened! Good job!

[Stonewall]

Dean Smith - started coaching in 1961 - first NCAA championship 1982, it took him 6 years to make a post season tournament.

Nick Saban only has 2 undefeated seasons in his whole career, took him until his 10th football season to win a National Title.

Mack Brown has over 275 wins and only 1 National Title.

Jerry Moore stunk at Texas Tech (16-37-2 record) WOW!!!!!!!
From 1989-2004 he only finished 1st in the SoCon 2 times, T-1 once...... 15 years and only 3 1st place finishes.


Damn when you break down Jerry Moore's all time record, you clowns would fired him after year 6, but thank goodness Rachel Laney didn't jump the gun.

You never know when the break through is coming!!

#SundayMorningMotivation to keep on keeping on! #TeamClark

When you've reached the "thank goodness for Roachel Laney" point...

Mr Laney did not fire Coach Moore too soon and did hire Buzz Peterson the 1st time when he was motivated and actually good at coaching.....

The Cobber fired Moore, hired lazy recycled Buzz the 2nd time and promoted lazy incompetent Capel over McMahon.

Mr Laney > The Cobber.

Just a look back on AD comparisons and my common sense Roachel Laney support.

I will not argue the points about Cobb because he did those things and I felt mixed about his time at App but I am glad we got rid of Laney and that Cobb had the vision to go FBS.

Some inside info and facts you probably don't know or else you would not praise Laney

Laney was not going to fire Moore because he did not want to make the program bigger. Laney held this program back for so long. He was quite happy with what App was doing. He told people App could not raise the money and we would be a losing program in I-A. We had a lot of people who were ready to move on from Moore for sure because we had underachieved like in 1995 and other years but we were still a winning program despite Laney not giving Moore all that he needed. Laney also made a lot of enemies and was the reason our attendance and giving were down.

Bork never thought App could go I-A and put his buddy Laney in place because he did not want to either. They wanted App to be small time. Bork actually told people who argued that App should go I-A that he did not have an AD that could do it and was happy where we were. Laney told many people he did not want the YC to give more than 1M a year because he did not want boosters to have any power. I was among those who literally heard Laney tell that to people. He came from a D2 program had small time mindset and wanted App to be small time. He was not capable nor had the desire to help App move up.

We never had anyone in power within the NC Board of Governors who could fire Borkowski or Laney until finally in 2004 we had 2 alumni, Wilson and Adcock, who had big dreams for App State and were in position to make a change. They went to him and told him what they wanted. Bork told them he did not have an AD who could make that move and they basically said "you are right and that is why we are making changes". So they fired Bork with cause because he was an alcoholic and interviewed a few people. When they talked to Peacock he told the he wanted to make App as big as it could be and that he would do what they wanted. They instructed him to fire Laney and get an AD who has the same dreams they do. They told him we want to be I-A.

So back in 2004, Ken told Roachel he could resign or be fired because he was making a change. Jerry Moore had gone 6-5 in 2004 and Ken did not want to rush and fire him since the offense changed and wanted to see how the program was being run. Ken was not a football guy but he understand the impact and quickly made the changes in the program to help give Moore all he could so whatever happened in 2005 would be fair to Jerry and the program. He jokingly told people that Moore need to win the title to save his job but I think in reality as long as we made playoffs and got past first round he was going to keep Moore.

A couple things about Moore that you also likely don't know. The reason he was forced to step down is because Peacock and Cobb wanted to go FBS and he did not. He also wanted his son to be named head coach instead of Satt.
Jerry was smart to listen to Satt and others. Back in 2004 when we went to Wyoming and got blown out he wanted to change the offense back but was convinced to give it a few weeks. It was the best decision he ever made and he had to be talked into it. Jerry was not the one who pushed making those decisions.

Gerald Adams told myself and many others that giving to the YC doubled or tripled, I don't remember exactly, within a week or two of Laney resigning. In fact, go back and look at attendance in 2004 and 2005 and you will see that him stepping down saw an immediate rise in attendance and donations. Attendance was up from game one that year before it even appeared we could win the title. Those are actual facts.

App should have gone I-A with ECU when the split happened and set themselves back a long time with Laney and Borkowski. I am glad that Jerry did not veto what the assistants wanted and that he embraced change. It saved his job and allowed us to have some consistency in coaching, along with the other variables, that won that title in 2005. The rest after that is history.

As someone who was involved , that's a pretty good summary , as I recall it anyway .I will say however that I hold no grudges against either one .I came to believe that they simply rose to their levels of incompetence and acted accordingly.

[AppStFan1]

Laney did not fire Moore and he did hire Buzz.
2 facts that have not been disputed by any old timers so far. So my points stand.

Armanti Edwards won for Moore.

App State football BC / AD = Armanti Edwards and you find the truth, also Satt coming back had a lot to do with it.

College athletics is NOT a family business. Jerry should never be allowed to make his son a big part of it.

And in App State in 2023 guess what Boosters do run App State = Dougie doesn't make a BIG decision without asking 7/10 members of the Circle of Excellence their opinion, you all know the main two, (Ricks and Sofield), JK Reaves and Avery Hall get asked if its a football decision, Chad Seigler Scott Lampe, Jay Howard, Jeff Chesson, Phillip Byers gets asked about other decisions. Dougie makes sure he has backing before pulling the big trigger or building a new building for sure.

So Laney's vision was correct - booster's do run the place. and App St moved up at the correct time, after they won 3 1-AA titles and not before in mediocrity. Winning the championships helped build the FBS monster.

Laney was never going to fire Moore because he was happy with the record. He never cared if we won a title or not. He did hire Buzz but there was pressure to do so. He did not hire Buzz the second time when he returned though.

Richie Williams actually won the first title. You have to give him credit just like you are for Armanti. We did not just suddenly win a title because of Armanti. Richie did it first and Armanti came to a program who had everything in place and just needed a dual threat QB like him.

Of course college athletics is not a family business but Jerry wanted his son to be head coach. Charlie and Ken stopped that.

On the donors, Gillin has to make sure they agree because these moves cost money and you need to make sure those who are giving their money will do it. Laney's vision was not correct. He did not want to have anyone hold him accountable because he knew Bork would not do so. We would not be FBS now if Laney had stayed. A strong AD can make the pitch to the boosters and convince them why something is wrong. The good news is that if those people are giving the money then when someone needs to go you aren't pulling from the athletic budget but instead getting it from the donors when you want to make a change. Of course there are some politics that I don't like but the good outweighs the bad such as getting the money for stadium expansion, increasing recruiting and coaching budget, etc. It takes money to do everything and we need big money boosters. I hope the YC triples its donations. I know for a fact that Ken Peacock was thankful for those boosters.