TX St discussion

[Saint3333]

Going for it in the first on our 40 was the wrong decision.

It’s a risk reward situation with asymmetrical risk for us.

I’m questioning this staffs’ adaptability as variables with players available and in game situations present themselves.

[AppStateNews]

Clark started going for it on 4th down more often when the players told him they wanted to. From there, he and Ware have developed a plan based on score, time left, and momentum to decide if they'll go for it.

A coach that doesn't listen to his players is a bad coach. A coach that listens to drivel on a message board is a bad coach.

Had Chase made the right read, it's at worst case a first down -- likely a TD and the Sunday morning coaches here would be saying how it was such a great idea and play call.

[BambooRdApp]

Of course he is going to say he has confidence in all areas -

Why, I know the things I do well and the things I don’t do well. I’m glad I’m cleared eyed enough to see and admit my weak points. How else would I improve upon them?

Just curious, when someone tells you that they do not have confidence in your ability to do something or there are things you need to work on do you get video and transmit that throughout your organization. I would think not. You are going to hopefully continue to project confidence and work on it behind the scenes. A coach that gets on a talk show and says I have lost confidence in my team to do this or that publicly...has lost the team ..just my opinion

[bigdaddyg]

Clark started going for it on 4th down more often when the players told him they wanted to. From there, he and Ware have developed a plan based on score, time left, and momentum to decide if they'll go for it.

A coach that doesn't listen to his players is a bad coach. A coach that listens to drivel on a message board is a bad coach.

Had Chase made the right read, it's at worst case a first down -- likely a TD and the Sunday morning coaches here would be saying how it was such a great idea and play call.

Great points. Has there ever, in the history of football at any level been a 4th and 1 situation where the players didn't want to go for it? Other than times when a team is getting smoked and are demoralized I would think that in their minds it's the way to go. It's a tough call and like you said, if it works nobody gets on here saying it was dumb.

[AppStateNews]

Clark started going for it on 4th down more often when the players told him they wanted to. From there, he and Ware have developed a plan based on score, time left, and momentum to decide if they'll go for it.

A coach that doesn't listen to his players is a bad coach. A coach that listens to drivel on a message board is a bad coach.

Had Chase made the right read, it's at worst case a first down -- likely a TD and the Sunday morning coaches here would be saying how it was such a great idea and play call.

Great points. Has there ever, in the history of football at any level been a 4th and 1 situation where the players didn't want to go for it? Other than times when a team is getting smoked and are demoralized I would think that in their minds it's the way to go. It's a tough call and like you said, if it works nobody gets on here saying it was dumb.

Sure, every player wants to go for it even if it's 4th and 30. But, when I say players said they wanted to go for it, I meant be more aggressive in the situation. It comes from when Pedersen was here so Clark did it. Clark liked the results from it and will continue to do it.

Again, going for it wasn't the problem. The play call wasn't the problem. It was the execution. Had Chase executed it properly, Clark is a genius for going for it.

[AppSt94]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

[Saint3333]

Clark started going for it on 4th down more often when the players told him they wanted to. From there, he and Ware have developed a plan based on score, time left, and momentum to decide if they'll go for it.

A coach that doesn't listen to his players is a bad coach. A coach that listens to drivel on a message board is a bad coach.

Had Chase made the right read, it's at worst case a first down -- likely a TD and the Sunday morning coaches here would be saying how it was such a great idea and play call.

Making the right read is part of the risk…

Going for it on your own 40 on the first drive is not the right call.

Especially when your run game has struggled mightly since A&M.

[AppStateNews]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

Exactly this. Can you imagine if your boss said "eh, really my guys suck and I have no confidence in them?"

Would you want to work for that guy any more?

[Saint3333]

If we’re concerned about our guys confidence if we don’t go for it on 4th down at our own 40 on the first drive I have a lot more questions.

How soft do some of you believe this team is?!?

[BeauFoster]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

Exactly this. Can you imagine if your boss said "eh, really my guys suck and I have no confidence in them?"

Would you want to work for that guy any more?

I’m hesitant to wade into this conversation, but I think there are ways that this can be done, and done correctly, without killing the team. If a coach says “we’ve got to do a better job at neutralizing mobile qbs. That starts with coaches preparing the players with the right film study and keys, and ends with the players executing. Sometimes that qb makes a great play, though”, the the coach is speaking the truth and owning the situation. If that loses a locker room, then you never had it to begin with.

I don’t want to hear a coach say (repeatedly) “54 missed his assignments every single time, he lost us the game”. But I don’t have an issue with stating areas that are problems and then going into some explanation of how we will fix it.

[AppSt94]

If you make that 4th and 1, you set the tone for the rest of the game. They just went down the field and came away empty. You impose your will by going for it and making it, it tells the other team that you are going to be the aggressor all night and see if they wilt. It didn’t work.

[AppSt94]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

Exactly this. Can you imagine if your boss said "eh, really my guys suck and I have no confidence in them?"

Would you want to work for that guy any more?

I’m hesitant to wade into this conversation, but I think there are ways that this can be done, and done correctly, without killing the team. If a coach says “we’ve got to do a better job at neutralizing mobile qbs. That starts with coaches preparing the players with the right film study and keys, and ends with the players executing. Sometimes that qb makes a great play, though”, the the coach is speaking the truth and owning the situation. If that loses a locker room, then you never had it to begin with.

I don’t want to hear a coach say (repeatedly) “54 missed his assignments every single time, he lost us the game”. But I don’t have an issue with stating areas that are problems and then going into some explanation of how we will fix it.

Sadly, isn’t that what he is already saying? I’ve heard him say we have missed tackles and taken poor angles. No harm done stating the obvious. He follows that up with comments of “getting our guys lined up right in the correct fit.” That’s the fix.

[Mjohn1988]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

Exactly this. Can you imagine if your boss said "eh, really my guys suck and I have no confidence in them?"

Would you want to work for that guy any more?

I’m hesitant to wade into this conversation, but I think there are ways that this can be done, and done correctly, without killing the team. If a coach says “we’ve got to do a better job at neutralizing mobile qbs. That starts with coaches preparing the players with the right film study and keys, and ends with the players executing. Sometimes that qb makes a great play, though”, the the coach is speaking the truth and owning the situation. If that loses a locker room, then you never had it to begin with.

I don’t want to hear a coach say (repeatedly) “54 missed his assignments every single time, he lost us the game”. But I don’t have an issue with stating areas that are problems and then going into some explanation of how we will fix it.

Exactly, you have to be able to point out problems. That doesn’t mean you don’t believe in guys or groups. Sticking your head in the sand and saying all is well when it’s not helps no one.

[Saint3333]

If you make that 4th and 1, you set the tone for the rest of the game. They just went down the field and came away empty. You impose your will by going for it and making it, it tells the other team that you are going to be the aggressor all night and see if they wilt. It didn’t work.

You’re going to kill the other teams spirit in the first five minutes? STOP, this isn’t going to happen.

Turnovers are momentum plays, we offered our opponent one of those on our side of the field. Punt the ball and give your defense more opportunities to stop them.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take, have we lost all sense of situational football decisions.

[Mjohn1988]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

This is such a BS response. Some of you guys think you must be a complete cheer leader or your not a fan. I’m not for participation trophies. If guys aren’t getting it done its ok if the coach says so. Those guys all ready know their not getting it done. Ever heard the saying, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem? The guys on this team should be able to stand up to some criticism. But the truth is I was really criticizing the coach for putting them in a bad situation.

[Saint3333]

D1 players can handle criticism they get it everyday from these coaches. It’s called coaching, not baby sitting.

There is a disconnect between what society believes and the fragility of college players.

[hapapp]

Clark started going for it on 4th down more often when the players told him they wanted to. From there, he and Ware have developed a plan based on score, time left, and momentum to decide if they'll go for it.

A coach that doesn't listen to his players is a bad coach. A coach that listens to drivel on a message board is a bad coach.

Had Chase made the right read, it's at worst case a first down -- likely a TD and the Sunday morning coaches here would be saying how it was such a great idea and play call.

I believe the concern is over the 4th down go on our 40. Drivel or no most coaches aren’t going there.

[AppSt94]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

This is such a BS response. Some of you guys think you must be a complete cheer leader or your not a fan. I’m not for participation trophies. If guys aren’t getting it done its ok if the coach says so. Those guys all ready know their not getting it done. Ever heard the saying, the first part of fixing a problem is admitting you have a problem? The guys on this team should be able to stand up to some criticism. But the truth is I was really criticizing the coach for putting them in a bad situation.

It’s you are, or, you’re. Also, it’s they are or they’re.

How do you like the public criticism of your lack of knowledge of the English language?

No one is saying that Clark isn’t critical of individual performances. But those comments take place in his office or in film study. Not for the public.

[BeauFoster]

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

Or he is trying to keep their confidence up by believing in them, even though you don’t.

Exactly this. Can you imagine if your boss said "eh, really my guys suck and I have no confidence in them?"

Would you want to work for that guy any more?

I’m hesitant to wade into this conversation, but I think there are ways that this can be done, and done correctly, without killing the team. If a coach says “we’ve got to do a better job at neutralizing mobile qbs. That starts with coaches preparing the players with the right film study and keys, and ends with the players executing. Sometimes that qb makes a great play, though”, the the coach is speaking the truth and owning the situation. If that loses a locker room, then you never had it to begin with.

I don’t want to hear a coach say (repeatedly) “54 missed his assignments every single time, he lost us the game”. But I don’t have an issue with stating areas that are problems and then going into some explanation of how we will fix it.

Sadly, isn’t that what he is already saying? I’ve heard him say we have missed tackles and taken poor angles. No harm done stating the obvious. He follows that up with comments of “getting our guys lined up right in the correct fit.” That’s the fix.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to call out issues or misses, even if it is by a single player. We all have eyes and can see things the way they happen. It just needs to be done the right way. I haven’t listened to every presser this season, so I can’t say if that’s what has been done or not. I think it’s also good to say “54 missed that tackle, but it wasn’t his to make. 53 was in the wrong spot and left 54 to cover his mistake”. Also note that I’m picking random numbers out and not making a statement about actual players.

I think blanket statements of “you should never call out a specific player” are dumb, as blanket statements are rarely 100% factual.

It’s a fine line of what is ok or reasonable for a coach to say. What does a coach actually owe the press and fans? I could argue they owe nothing. I could also argue that I help pay his salary and am owed an explanation as a stakeholder. As always, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[AppSt94]

If you make that 4th and 1, you set the tone for the rest of the game. They just went down the field and came away empty. You impose your will by going for it and making it, it tells the other team that you are going to be the aggressor all night and see if they wilt. It didn’t work.

You’re going to kill the other teams spirit in the first five minutes? STOP, this isn’t going to happen.

Turnovers are momentum plays, we offered our opponent one of those on our side of the field. Punt the ball and give your defense more opportunities to stop them.

I can’t believe this is a controversial take, have we lost all sense of situational football decisions.

I should have known better than debate someone who is incapable of acknowledging that any opinion not of his own creation is wrong. Have a great day.