TX St discussion

[Mjohn1988]

Going for the 4th down conversion with Texas State knowing what we were going to run, in enemy territory, after they just scored with ease had a hand in making the mountain too high as well, need to realize the 2018 defense isn't on the field.

Going for it on 4th down on our side of the field was a bad move. We struggle with short yardage and our D needs the whole field to stop opponents. Did I miss the Monday press conference?

The referee moved the ball back about a yard and a half on his spot.Noel appeared to have the first down by a half yard.

Don’t know about the spot but even if we made it I don’t like the call. Not a good risk reward ratio for me. Not trying to be negative but our D needs to make a team run a bunch of plays. Bottom line we need them to make a mistake. The more plays they run the better our chances that they make that mistake.

[t4pizza]

Looking back, that Pick Six play made the mountain too high. Chase throws the ball behind the receiver and the tight end was wide open for a first down. It was a quick throw so there was no real pressure. Throw that ball to the tight end and App might win the game. The TE might not score on that play, but it's 1st and Goal. That's a 13-point swing (since TxSt missed the PAT).

We should have just kicked the Field Goal, would have been a 9 point swing and there was plenty of time left to play.

[WataugaMan]

Looking back, that Pick Six play made the mountain too high. Chase throws the ball behind the receiver and the tight end was wide open for a first down. It was a quick throw so there was no real pressure. Throw that ball to the tight end and App might win the game. The TE might not score on that play, but it's 1st and Goal. That's a 13-point swing (since TxSt missed the PAT).

We should have just kicked the Field Goal, would have been a 9 point swing and there was plenty of time left to play.

You mean a 10 point swing, unless they missed the extra point (don't remember if they did or not).

[t4pizza]

Looking back, that Pick Six play made the mountain too high. Chase throws the ball behind the receiver and the tight end was wide open for a first down. It was a quick throw so there was no real pressure. Throw that ball to the tight end and App might win the game. The TE might not score on that play, but it's 1st and Goal. That's a 13-point swing (since TxSt missed the PAT).

We should have just kicked the Field Goal, would have been a 9 point swing and there was plenty of time left to play.

You mean a 10 point swing, unless they missed the extra point (don't remember if they did or not).

They did miss the extra point, well they actually went for 2 and missed that conversion attempt.

[Mjohn1988]

Going for the 4th down conversion with Texas State knowing what we were going to run, in enemy territory, after they just scored with ease had a hand in making the mountain too high as well, need to realize the 2018 defense isn't on the field.

Going for it on 4th down on our side of the field was a bad move. We struggle with short yardage and our D needs the whole field to stop opponents. Did I miss the Monday press conference?

The referee moved the ball back about a yard and a half on his spot.Noel appeared to have the first down by a half yard.

Even if we made it my opinion of the call wouldn’t change. Not a good risk reward ratio. Not trying to be negative, just realistic, our D needs to make a team run a lot of plays and hope for a mistake.

[311neers]

Looking back, that Pick Six play made the mountain too high. Chase throws the ball behind the receiver and the tight end was wide open for a first down. It was a quick throw so there was no real pressure. Throw that ball to the tight end and App might win the game. The TE might not score on that play, but it's 1st and Goal. That's a 13-point swing (since TxSt missed the PAT).

We should have just kicked the Field Goal, would have been a 9 point swing and there was plenty of time left to play.

You mean a 10 point swing, unless they missed the extra point (don't remember if they did or not).

They did miss the extra point, well they actually went for 2 and missed that conversion attempt.

Fine with going for it. If we are just kicking field goals to have a prayer v Tx St we got other issues. Would have been nice to stay closer in the game, but no telling if our defense would have gotten gashed the next drive anyway for 6. Glad he's been semi aggressive this year as opposed to his usual clock management cautious self. Maybe that bit us in the butt in JMU game but Tx. State seemed like a lost cause.

[t4pizza]

Looking back, that Pick Six play made the mountain too high. Chase throws the ball behind the receiver and the tight end was wide open for a first down. It was a quick throw so there was no real pressure. Throw that ball to the tight end and App might win the game. The TE might not score on that play, but it's 1st and Goal. That's a 13-point swing (since TxSt missed the PAT).

We should have just kicked the Field Goal, would have been a 9 point swing and there was plenty of time left to play.

You mean a 10 point swing, unless they missed the extra point (don't remember if they did or not).

They did miss the extra point, well they actually went for 2 and missed that conversion attempt.

Fine with going for it. If we are just kicking field goals to have a prayer v Tx St we got other issues. Would have been nice to stay closer in the game, but no telling if our defense would have gotten gashed the next drive anyway for 6. Glad he's been semi aggressive this year as opposed to his usual clock management cautious self. Maybe that bit us in the butt in JMU game but Tx. State seemed like a lost cause.

That is just my point, it wasn't a lost cause at all because there was so much time left. Take points when you can get them, especially when you are down. We weren't playing Ole Miss or some school that will put up 100 points, it was Texas State, they were going to regress to the norm which isn't good. Hell, the defense only gave up 6 points in the second half so no belief on my part that they would have been gassed and given up 6 because they didn't give up a touchdown in the second half. Hell, as bad as it was the d only gave up 334 yards the entire game. We need to help our struggling defense by putting points on the board. That 9 point turnaround makes it a single score game in the final minutes when we have a chance to win. I usually don't mind Clark's aggressiveness but it has not worked of late. Going for it on 4 and short (without CAM) has not produced 1st downs with any consistency at all, so when we do it on our side of the field it makes even less sense to me. I just think that when you have a team that is struggling, which we are, you play to get points when you can get points. People are bashing our d, and it isn't what it has been, but if we take the points that we can get (FG when possible) we may just have won both JMU and Texas State.

[hapapp]

Looking back, that Pick Six play made the mountain too high. Chase throws the ball behind the receiver and the tight end was wide open for a first down. It was a quick throw so there was no real pressure. Throw that ball to the tight end and App might win the game. The TE might not score on that play, but it's 1st and Goal. That's a 13-point swing (since TxSt missed the PAT).

We should have just kicked the Field Goal, would have been a 9 point swing and there was plenty of time left to play.

You mean a 10 point swing, unless they missed the extra point (don't remember if they did or not).

They did miss the extra point, well they actually went for 2 and missed that conversion attempt.

Fine with going for it. If we are just kicking field goals to have a prayer v Tx St we got other issues. Would have been nice to stay closer in the game, but no telling if our defense would have gotten gashed the next drive anyway for 6. Glad he's been semi aggressive this year as opposed to his usual clock management cautious self. Maybe that bit us in the butt in JMU game but Tx. State seemed like a lost cause.

I'm not opposed to going for it on 4th down but it doesn't mean you go for every 4th and short. Field position and situation have to come into play. Moreover, when we run the same play on 4th down and it doesn't work, perhaps go for the points or try something different. If I recall we failed twice in the JMU game and twice against Tx State. When we failed in Texas State territory we ran the same play on 3rd and 4th down, and failed to gain the yardage.

[bigdaddyg]

Mountaineer Talk- about to hear how well Texas State played

[BambooRdApp]

Hmmm, did not hear anything about how great Tx. St. played. Coach Clark took ownership of the loss.

[bigdaddyg]

Hmmm, did not hear anything about how great Tx. St. played. Coach Clark took ownership of the loss.

Yes he did

[AppSt91]

Hmmm, did not hear anything about how great Tx. St. played. Coach Clark took ownership of the loss.

Yes he did

Had to cringe when he said he would go for that 4th and 1 again.

[BambooRdApp]

Hmmm, did not hear anything about how great Tx. St. played. Coach Clark took ownership of the loss.

Yes he did

Minute mark in the telecast!

[Mjohn1988]

Hmmm, did not hear anything about how great Tx. St. played. Coach Clark took ownership of the loss.

Yes he did

Had to cringe when he said he would go for that 4th and 1 again.

Me too, wanted to ask, why do you have “ complete confidence “ in our running game being able to get one yard and why do you have “complete confidence “ in our D being able to hold the opposing team on a short field? Over all I was disappointed in the response, seemed kind of like, we lost, oh well.

[WVAPPeer]

Of course he is going to say he has confidence in all areas -

[Mjohn1988]

Of course he is going to say he has confidence in all areas -

Why, I know the things I do well and the things I don’t do well. I’m glad I’m cleared eyed enough to see and admit my weak points. How else would I improve upon them?

[WVAPPeer]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

[BambooRdApp]

I guess I listened to a different Mountaineer Talk last night. I heard a coach that took full responsibility for the loss. He specifically stated that the team needs to address the run, do a much etter job of tackling to limit catches to 3 to 4 yards, and needs to be able to get off the field on 3rd down...

[Mjohn1988]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

[bigdaddyg]

So you want him to say publicly that he doesn't have confidence in certain players or groupings?

Not asking him to call out individually players, although some very successful coaches do. But we have failed repeatedly on short yardage plays and our D hasn’t look so good. Just seams like he’s a little in denial when he says he has “ complete confidence “. Also, coaches will say over and over that it’s their job to put players in a position to succeed. Is asking our O at this point in time to get a 4th and one from our own 40 putting them in a position to succeed ? Is asking our D, again, at this point and time
to hold a team on a short field putting them in a position to succeed ? I’m just looking at this season and this team an applying some logic.

I'm not an analytics guy and really hate that aspect of sports decisions but there is a delicate balance between confidence in your team and realizing the situation especially with available personnel. I love going for it in most situations but field position and score also has to come into play. I totally get having confidence in your team but you also don't want to put either side in a difficult situation that can be avoided with a smarter decision. Sometimes trying to pin the other guys back is not a bad way to go. Our staff is highly trained and for the most part highly paid so we should learn to live with their calls good or bad. If they begin to bite us in the butt more often than being successful then there is a different discussion.