Sumler

[WVAPPeer]

I will be shocked if Sumler turns out to be a productive asset for the offense. He's milked his injuries since he came to App State and he thinks he's a bonafide super star with a ticket to the combine.

I think TDog mentioned it but it is true that the new S & C coach will not allow that behavior anymore. Time will tell but I have little to no faith that Sumler will pan out in the way we all though a former 4 star recruit would.

However - watch out for some of the freshman on the squad. Those kids are killer.

OK - I'm confused - is what you are saying about Sumler an opinion only? or is based on some factual information? ---

[Saint3333]

2014 you didn't answer the question.

[firemoose]

2014 you didn't answer the question.

Good Luck. Never answered mine a while back either.

[EastHallApp]

I'd love Sumler to have a game in the Big House that mirrors Dexter Jackson's game in the Big House.

Just sayin'

Hell I'd love for Sumler to have a career like Dexter Jackson's. The fact that DJ was badly overvalued by NFL teams (wasn't just Tampa) doesn't change the fact that he was an important player on all three championship teams.

[asu66]

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I just read the AppStateSports.com review of Saturday's scrimmage. In 64 pass attempts on the afternoon, a total of 0 (zero) of those pass attempts targeted Sumler as a receiver.

Receiving: McElfresh 5-83, TD; D. Jones 4-62; Barbour 4-49; M. Jones 3-48; Armstrong 6-42; Lewis 3-40, 2 TD; Meadors 3-38, TD; Moore 1-26, TD; Fergurson 2-24, TD; Noil 1-21; B. Burns 2-20, TD; Moll 2-20; Hopkins 3-19, TD; Beathard 3-13; Davidson 2-11; H. Nunn 1-9; Upshaw 1-7.

The young man isn't making it to the offensive lineup at any position until he starts making a contribution in practice. Maybe he can make his mark on special teams. If, as someone suggested, he's soft; special teams will not be his cup of tea.

[WVAPPeer]

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I just read the AppStateSports.com review of Saturday's scrimmage. In 64 pass attempts on the afternoon, a total of 0 (zero) of those pass attempts targeted Sumler as a receiver.

Receiving: McElfresh 5-83, TD; D. Jones 4-62; Barbour 4-49; M. Jones 3-48; Armstrong 6-42; Lewis 3-40, 2 TD; Meadors 3-38, TD; Moore 1-26, TD; Fergurson 2-24, TD; Noil 1-21; B. Burns 2-20, TD; Moll 2-20; Hopkins 3-19, TD; Beathard 3-13; Davidson 2-11; H. Nunn 1-9; Upshaw 1-7.

The young man isn't making it to the offensive lineup at any position until he starts making a contribution in practice. Maybe he can make his mark on special teams. If, as someone suggested, he's soft; special teams will not be his cup of tea.

My only question would be - did he participate? - it might be they are holding him out of a lot of active contact situations at this point - don't know, just a speculation ---

[AppState2014]

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I just read the AppStateSports.com review of Saturday's scrimmage. In 64 pass attempts on the afternoon, a total of 0 (zero) of those pass attempts targeted Sumler as a receiver.

Receiving: McElfresh 5-83, TD; D. Jones 4-62; Barbour 4-49; M. Jones 3-48; Armstrong 6-42; Lewis 3-40, 2 TD; Meadors 3-38, TD; Moore 1-26, TD; Fergurson 2-24, TD; Noil 1-21; B. Burns 2-20, TD; Moll 2-20; Hopkins 3-19, TD; Beathard 3-13; Davidson 2-11; H. Nunn 1-9; Upshaw 1-7.

The young man isn't making it to the offensive lineup at any position until he starts making a contribution in practice. Maybe he can make his mark on special teams. If, as someone suggested, he's soft; special teams will not be his cup of tea.

My only question would be - did he participate? - it might be they are holding him out of a lot of active contact situations at this point - don't know, just a speculation ---

Instead of focusing on players who aren't playing, I'm looking at a good group of players. I think people here are so focused on Sumler because he was a 4-star recruit but those ratings mean nothing. Malachi Jones was a 2-star recruit and is probably our best receiver.

We redshirted some solid players and have some really good incoming freshmen. I expect Malachi Jones to lead our team in receiving and I love the toughness of Simms. Meadors, Beathard, Barbour, Dante Jones, and others are showing they can play. We are spending way too much time on Sumler now. If he pans out, great. If he doesn't then we are still fine. We have talent at receiver.

[WVAPPeer]

what you say may all be true - BUT, the topic of this thread is SUMLER ---

[AppState2014]

what you say may all be true - BUT, the topic of this thread is SUMLER ---

True. We need to start a thread about the receiving corps as a whole. We are young but have the potential to be a deep, talented group. Like I said, I'm pulling for Sumler but I'm just waiting to see him actually play. He is always hurt and the coaches have clearly stated he is an unknown. I feel more confident that Meadors or Barbour or someone like them will produce for us than Sumler.

[Gonzo]

what you say may all be true - BUT, the topic of this thread is SUMLER ---

True. We need to start a thread about the receiving corps as a whole. We are young but have the potential to be a deep, talented group. Like I said, I'm pulling for Sumler but I'm just waiting to see him actually play. He is always hurt and the coaches have clearly stated he is an unknown. I feel more confident that Meadors or Barbour or someone like them will produce for us than Sumler.

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[SpeedkingATL]

Just gotta wait and see what happens with Sumler. Knee problems can really affect a WR that depends on speed and quickness. I wouldn't question a kids toughness unless you've been in his shoes. Playing while injured isn't just about enduring pain...injuries can truly affect movement and effectiveness and can have long term consequences.

I hope Sumler gets a chance to use those jets he has this year, but even if he doesn't he still deserves some respect for his efforts.

[firemoose]

Just gotta wait and see what happens with Sumler. Knee problems can really affect a WR that depends on speed and quickness. I wouldn't question a kids toughness unless you've been in his shoes. Playing while injured isn't just about enduring pain...injuries can truly affect movement and effectiveness and can have long term consequences.

I hope Sumler gets a chance to use those jets he has this year, but even if he doesn't he still deserves some respect for his efforts.

Exactly.

Every injury is different and each person recovers differently. From conversations with Tacoi and hearing what his parents have told others no one is more frustrated with the situation than Tacoi is himself. With all due respect if someone hasn't put on the pads and played, especially hurt, then don't question someone else.

[APPARJ]

Just gotta wait and see what happens with Sumler. Knee problems can really affect a WR that depends on speed and quickness. I wouldn't question a kids toughness unless you've been in his shoes. Playing while injured isn't just about enduring pain...injuries can truly affect movement and effectiveness and can have long term consequences.

I hope Sumler gets a chance to use those jets he has this year, but even if he doesn't he still deserves some respect for his efforts.

Exactly.

Every injury is different and each person recovers differently. From conversations with Tacoi and hearing what his parents have told others no one is more frustrated with the situation than Tacoi is himself. With all due respect if someone hasn't put on the pads and played, especially hurt, then don't question someone else.

With all due respect, I don't buy into the "don't comment unless you've done it" stuff. Besides, if that were true message boards would be like a ghost town. And for the record, I'm not questioning anyone's "toughness" in playing with a real injury. ALSO - in my experience some of the least reliable people to receive objective, level headed information from are parents. Most mean well but wear rose colored glasses. Like I mentioned earlier, there are reasons I believe Tacoi is more bark than bite and it's not from reading this board, twitter or AppStateSports.com.

But again, if he becomes a breakthrough receiver and scores TDs left and right this fall, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong.

[moehler]

I don't care if he doesn't catch one pass this year, with everything he has gone thru, and the effort he has made to get back on the field, that kid has earned my respect.

[WVAPPeer]

Apparj - Again I will ask ---

"OK - I'm confused - is what you are saying about Sumler an opinion only? or is based on some factual information? --- "

[firemoose]

With all due respect, I don't buy into the "don't comment unless you've done it" stuff. Besides, if that were true message boards would be like a ghost town. And for the record, I'm not questioning anyone's "toughness" in playing with a real injury. ALSO - in my experience some of the least reliable people to receive objective, level headed information from are parents. Most mean well but wear rose colored glasses. Like I mentioned earlier, there are reasons I believe Tacoi is more bark than bite and it's not from reading this board, twitter or AppStateSports.com.

But again, if he becomes a breakthrough receiver and scores TDs left and right this fall, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong.

ARJ-For the record I have no problem with opinions or discussion on a message board. In fact, as you stated, that is pretty much all that happens here. But I do have a problem when someone posts something as fact when it is an opinion. And an FYI for you, I never even saw your post so I was not speaking directly to you. I was agreeing with Speedking's post. I don't even know if it was you he was referring to since he didn't quote. I had to go back to even find your post to see what you had written so I could reply to your post above.

You stated "He's milked his injuries since he came to App State". Do you have proof of this or is it an opinion? I've spoken to members of the coaching staff and to members of the former S & C staff and none of them stated that to me. I also was told that his first surgery was not completely successful and that is why he continued to swell last year, first after practice then getting worse as camp went on. Your last line in the post above seem to indicate you have different information. I've said where mine came from. If I was told incorrectly there's not a lot I can do about it but until I hear differently then I have to go by what I was told.

Sorry you took offense at my comment but I have played hurt before and it was very difficult. Before I broke my leg I had hand (2 fingers), wrist (sprain), and arm (broken) injuries. Not something a LB needs since the main job is to hit someone. WR's, RB's, and DB's rely on their legs more than most and if someone has a knee that isn't 100% then they are not going to be able to contribute at a high level. I can only go with what I've been told and since it came from people who worked directly with him I took them at their word.

[AppState2014]

With all due respect, I don't buy into the "don't comment unless you've done it" stuff. Besides, if that were true message boards would be like a ghost town. And for the record, I'm not questioning anyone's "toughness" in playing with a real injury. ALSO - in my experience some of the least reliable people to receive objective, level headed information from are parents. Most mean well but wear rose colored glasses. Like I mentioned earlier, there are reasons I believe Tacoi is more bark than bite and it's not from reading this board, twitter or AppStateSports.com.

But again, if he becomes a breakthrough receiver and scores TDs left and right this fall, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong.

ARJ-For the record I have no problem with opinions or discussion on a message board. In fact, as you stated, that is pretty much all that happens here. But I do have a problem when someone posts something as fact when it is an opinion. And an FYI for you, I never even saw your post so I was not speaking directly to you. I was agreeing with Speedking's post. I don't even know if it was you he was referring to since he didn't quote. I had to go back to even find your post to see what you had written so I could reply to your post above.

You stated "He's milked his injuries since he came to App State". Do you have proof of this or is it an opinion? I've spoken to members of the coaching staff and to members of the former S & C staff and none of them stated that to me. I also was told that his first surgery was not completely successful and that is why he continued to swell last year, first after practice then getting worse as camp went on. Your last line in the post above seem to indicate you have different information. I've said where mine came from. If I was told incorrectly there's not a lot I can do about it but until I hear differently then I have to go by what I was told.

Sorry you took offense at my comment but I have played hurt before and it was very difficult. Before I broke my leg I had hand (2 fingers), wrist (sprain), and arm (broken) injuries. Not something a LB needs since the main job is to hit someone. WR's, RB's, and DB's rely on their legs more than most and if someone has a knee that isn't 100% then they are not going to be able to contribute at a high level. I can only go with what I've been told and since it came from people who worked directly with him I took them at their word.

You have to go with what you are told but you have to realize that it's not smart for people inside a program to tell the complete truth on some things to media members. They know the media will write stories on it and paint players negatively. All the press from App's regular media needs to have the positive line shown on it. I'm not saying Sumler is a bad kid and that he isn't really hurt but I have heard that he is soft and stays out a little too long for injuries. The people who told me aren't the S&C coaches but the people I talked to would know.

With all that said, I'm pulling for Sumler and hope he has it all straight for the season and can put up big numbers. I don't want any of our players to fail. While he's in the black and gold I will pull for him. I just doubt that he will be a leading receiver or impact player for us, especially with comments I have heard privately and publicly. He does have my respect for going for his degree and at least working hard in the classroom. The NFL won't be in his future but I'm sure he will do fine in his career path.

[firemoose]

You have to go with what you are told but you have to realize that it's not smart for people inside a program to tell the complete truth on some things to media members. They know the media will write stories on it and paint players negatively. All the press from App's regular media needs to have the positive line shown on it. I'm not saying Sumler is a bad kid and that he isn't really hurt but I have heard that he is soft and stays out a little too long for injuries. The people who told me aren't the S&C coaches but the people I talked to would know.

With all that said, I'm pulling for Sumler and hope he has it all straight for the season and can put up big numbers. I don't want any of our players to fail. While he's in the black and gold I will pull for him. I just doubt that he will be a leading receiver or impact player for us, especially with comments I have heard privately and publicly. He does have my respect for going for his degree and at least working hard in the classroom. The NFL won't be in his future but I'm sure he will do fine in his career path.

I'm not media. Never have been. My conversations were private. Which is why I didn't say who. If someone thinks that what was said in this thread was inside information then they don't have a clue what real information is. It was a simple statement. Drop of water in the Atlantic. I'm done now.

[Rekdiver]

Moose.....you don't need to explain yourself to anyone

[APPARJ]

With all due respect, I don't buy into the "don't comment unless you've done it" stuff. Besides, if that were true message boards would be like a ghost town. And for the record, I'm not questioning anyone's "toughness" in playing with a real injury. ALSO - in my experience some of the least reliable people to receive objective, level headed information from are parents. Most mean well but wear rose colored glasses. Like I mentioned earlier, there are reasons I believe Tacoi is more bark than bite and it's not from reading this board, twitter or AppStateSports.com.

But again, if he becomes a breakthrough receiver and scores TDs left and right this fall, I'll be happy to say I'm wrong.

ARJ-For the record I have no problem with opinions or discussion on a message board. In fact, as you stated, that is pretty much all that happens here. But I do have a problem when someone posts something as fact when it is an opinion. And an FYI for you, I never even saw your post so I was not speaking directly to you. I was agreeing with Speedking's post. I don't even know if it was you he was referring to since he didn't quote. I had to go back to even find your post to see what you had written so I could reply to your post above.

You stated "He's milked his injuries since he came to App State". Do you have proof of this or is it an opinion? I've spoken to members of the coaching staff and to members of the former S & C staff and none of them stated that to me. I also was told that his first surgery was not completely successful and that is why he continued to swell last year, first after practice then getting worse as camp went on. Your last line in the post above seem to indicate you have different information. I've said where mine came from. If I was told incorrectly there's not a lot I can do about it but until I hear differently then I have to go by what I was told.

Sorry you took offense at my comment but I have played hurt before and it was very difficult. Before I broke my leg I had hand (2 fingers), wrist (sprain), and arm (broken) injuries. Not something a LB needs since the main job is to hit someone. WR's, RB's, and DB's rely on their legs more than most and if someone has a knee that isn't 100% then they are not going to be able to contribute at a high level. I can only go with what I've been told and since it came from people who worked directly with him I took them at their word.

Moose, I promise I wasn't offended in the least by anything you said. We are having a casual discussion about something we're passionate about (App football) and nothing more.

As for stating something as fact, I don't believe I have anything I would consider as "fact". I simply have formed an opinion based on the comments and conversations I've had with people that have much more insight that I can have.

You're a nice guy and there is no need to "prove" to me how you played through injuries. Saying "I've played through injuries" would be quite enough for me to believe you, my friend.

Anyway - I feel like I need to end each of these posts by saying that I never pull against the players. I hope they all perform above expectations in an effort to win every game this year.