Avoid Like the Plague

[hapapp]

Steve Forbes - ETSU.

Is he interested in taking a demotion?

[Stonewall]

As I recall Pat Kelsey has been in the mix a time or two, have no idea if he wants to make another run. You might want to look at successful D2 coaches or...hmmm womens team coaches like Mark Campbell.

[Seattleapp]

I don’t see why any so con coach would take a sunbelt job.

[Gonzo]

I don’t see why any so con coach would take a sunbelt job.

More money and exposure.

[hapapp]

I don’t see why any so con coach would take a sunbelt job.

More money and exposure.

In Basketball? Perhaps some SBC schools but none that would apply to App.

[Gonzo]

I don’t see why any so con coach would take a sunbelt job.

More money and exposure.

In Basketball? Perhaps some SBC schools but none that would apply to App.

Yes in basketball and yes it also applies to App. Athletic budgets in the SBC, including ours, are much bigger than the SoCon. Facilities, you name it. It's a step up. Similar to SBC to AAC.

[hapapp]

I don’t see why any so con coach would take a sunbelt job.

More money and exposure.

In Basketball? Perhaps some SBC schools but none that would apply to App.

Yes in basketball and yes it also applies to App. Athletic budgets in the SBC, including ours, are much bigger than the SoCon. Facilities, you name it. It's a step up. Similar to SBC to AAC.

I would say when it comes to basketball that the SoCon is getting a better deal for its money.

[HighlandsApp]

We don't have the ability to hire away another D1 school's coach nor should we try. The only D1 coach that would want to come here would have just been fired.

Somewhere there is an assistant coach or a lower division coach that will bring us out of this hole.

[hapapp]

These are 2016 figures in terms of bball budgets:

UL $2.3m
UALR 2.2m
Ga State 2.2m
Furman 2.1m
Coastal 1.9m
Tx State 1.8m
Samford 1.8m
ETSU 1.8m
UTC 1.7m
USA 1.7m
App 1.6m
UTA 1.5m
The Citadel 1.5m
UNCG 1.5m
Wofford 1.5m
Ark State 1.4m
Troy 1.4m
GS 1.4m
VMI 1.3m
ULM 1.1m
WCU 1m

[Stonewall]

Our return on investment , well ... isn't .

[fjblair]

These are 2016 figures in terms of bball budgets:

UL $2.3m
UALR 2.2m
Ga State 2.2m
Furman 2.1m
Coastal 1.9m
Tx State 1.8m
Samford 1.8m
ETSU 1.8m
UTC 1.7m
USA 1.7m
App 1.6m
UTA 1.5m
The Citadel 1.5m
UNCG 1.5m
Wofford 1.5m
Ark State 1.4m
Troy 1.4m
GS 1.4m
VMI 1.3m
ULM 1.1m
WCU 1m

There goes the "we have more money" than the SoCon argument.

[Arsenal App]

These are 2016 figures in terms of bball budgets:

UL $2.3m
UALR 2.2m
Ga State 2.2m
Furman 2.1m
Coastal 1.9m
Tx State 1.8m
Samford 1.8m
ETSU 1.8m
UTC 1.7m
USA 1.7m
App 1.6m
UTA 1.5m
The Citadel 1.5m
UNCG 1.5m
Wofford 1.5m
Ark State 1.4m
Troy 1.4m
GS 1.4m
VMI 1.3m
ULM 1.1m
WCU 1m

There goes the "we have more money" than the SoCon argument.

It should read we have more money than over half the SoCon and the only SoCon school with a considerably higher basketball budget than us is Furman. No listing here for SoCon newbie Mercer but I assume our budget is higher than theirs.

[AppKing21]

I wouldn't mind Wes Miller from UNC-G...in his last 3 seasons his teams have performed quite well.

2016-17: 25-10 (14-4)
2017-18: 27-8 (15-3)
2018-19: 14-3 (3-1)

Again, just like with Matt McMahon. No coach on any squad that has made the NCAA's would drop down to a rebuild project like us.

[EastHallApp]

Combine the financial figures with:

- lack of fan support
- lack of historical success
- inability to schedule well

... and try to think of why any coach who’s doing well at his current job would leave that for here instead of either staying where he is or holding out for a legitimate step up.

[EastHallApp]

I wouldn't mind Wes Miller from UNC-G...in his last 3 seasons his teams have performed quite well.

2016-17: 25-10 (14-4)
2017-18: 27-8 (15-3)
2018-19: 14-3 (3-1)

Again, just like with Matt McMahon. No coach on any squad that has made the NCAA's would drop down to a rebuild project like us.

Yeah, Miller will likely be moving on to a bigger job soon. Nothing but downside for someone like him to come here.

[asu66]

Kelsey would be a catch if he's interested in a stronger conference, bigger challenge and more money--although he turned down UMASS at the last possible second. I believe our last
ten-year history with the sport of men's basketball has to be sending the Chancellor and AD a message...fix it this time! I hasten to say that neither of the aforementioned university leaders created the mess we're in. They just get to deal with it.

Kelsey is from the Skip Prosser tree--having played and coached for Prosser at Xavier and having moved with Prosser to Wake Forest. Good basketball lives in his body and mind.

.630 winning percentage in his first six years as a head coach...all at Winthrop. Current team is 11-6.

Salary in 2017-18: $227,150 + usual and customary incentives--virtually the same as Jim Fox.

[Arsenal App]

Combine the financial figures with:

- lack of fan support
- lack of historical success
- inability to schedule well

... and try to think of why any coach who’s doing well at his current job would leave that for here instead of either staying where he is or holding out for a legitimate step up.

A fast-talking AD with a glib tongue could talk a coach into coming to Boone. The right AD could sell ice water to Eskimos. Do we have that kind of AD?

[ASU85Grad]

Bobby Lutz

How come?

I know that in years past he would have come to App to coach. He has a good record with lots of experience. I feel He would be worth a look if he is still interested. In my opinion

[EastHallApp]

One guy we probably could get would be Duggar Baucom. We might or might not win as much as we want, but at least we’d be entertaining.

[swva appfan]

Bobby Lutz

How come?

I know that in years past he would have come to App to coach. He has a good record with lots of experience. I feel He would be worth a look if he is still interested. In my opinion

I'm in on him I thought you meant "avoid him like the plague".