Recruiting Gripe Thread

[appst89]

As many of you know, over the last several years 'Moose has been phenomenal in bringing the Mountaineer faithful the most complete and credible information as it relates to recruiting in Appalachian sports. He's single-handedly provided information that is as of the same quality, if not better, than one can find on the major recruiting sites with no compensation or reward other than the personal satisfaction of getting us information that we want and crave, especially during the offseason! We, in turn have enjoyed access to free information and have really enjoyed always knowing 'Moose's information was as reliable as it gets.

With that said, it is unfortunate but recruiting information from the main site has been removed. Given the discussion surrounding the access, type, and amount of information 'Moose provides, he has decided to remove that content to prevent any more issues that may arise from having it so freely available. We have been working on a variety of solutions that may have helped alleviate some of those concerns. For the time being, 'Moose has decided to pull back on the amount of information he can post.

Thanks for everything you've done over the years 'Moose. The information you brought was second to none!

[Capt. Ed]

I understand and respect Moose's decision.

What I don't understand is why the administrators and mods are so reluctant to take action against posters whose primary purpose seems to be
starting arguments. Why not place posters on time out or permanently ban them for violating the clearly stated behavior Moose requested? This has been suggested by many members.

On a hunting site I enjoyed, I got banned for simply posting a liberal position on gun control or was it that I called another poster a moron? I forgot, but I never forgot the lesson. Yes, I got back on by using a different email account and computer, but I've been very careful since then.

If the reluctance is based on being a open and friendly site, please consider that this goal resulted in extreme unhappiness for many, caused by a few. If Moose decides to come back, please consider taking action against people who ignore your pleadings to be more respectful of Moose's wishes.

[AppState89]

I agree with Capt. A few have costs the rest of us. To me, it's like 1/2 of Yosef's Cabin has been taken away. Thanks a lot!!!!! Moose, I think you know how I feel and thank you for your hard work you do each day on the recruiting work.

[appbio91]

The best solution I saw was an opt in with a minimum post count. If it has come to this make the post count high, 1000 or greater, that way it would be obvious if a troll just started a flurry of nonsense posts trying to get their count up. To be honest I have never even opened the main recruiting section that has been taken down. I just checked the threads when I saw a coach tweet. I do agree that some were just stirring shit and purposely trying to piss off the author of the information. Both sides had valid points in some cases but sometimes you just play by the rules.

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[appdaze]

The best solution I saw was an opt in with a minimum post count. If it has come to this make the post count high, 1000 or greater, that way it would be obvious if a troll just started a flurry of nonsense posts trying to get their count up. To be honest I have never even opened the main recruiting section that has been taken down. I just checked the threads when I saw a coach tweet. I do agree that some were just stirring shit and purposely trying to piss off the author of the information. Both sides had valid points in some cases but sometimes you just play by the rules.

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If you truly want to restrict access of trolls then add a high post count but also create a script for rolling account access date pending on the time you created your account. For example 1/21/12 could be the start date of those allowed credentials to the recruiting and each day rolls in new accounts. So tomorrow would allow in all accounts created before 1/22/12 that have 1000 posts....and so on. This makes sure that new accounts or trolls or random coaches ore recruits or whoever can't just get on there and see unless they use an older members account. This is also a way to reward loyal posters and app fans who have stuck with this forum for the long haul instead of short term fans or those looking to cause trouble. This will also allow for the policing of what cant be posted on the rest of the site meaning that if someone copies something off the recruiting areas and post it on the open forum area you can delete the post/suspend the account/remove recruiting forum privileges etc. There are ways to control it without stepping on everyone's toes or charging.

[Capt. Ed]

The best solution I saw was an opt in with a minimum post count. If it has come to this make the post count high, 1000 or greater, that way it would be obvious if a troll just started a flurry of nonsense posts trying to get their count up. To be honest I have never even opened the main recruiting section that has been taken down. I just checked the threads when I saw a coach tweet. I do agree that some were just stirring shit and purposely trying to piss off the author of the information. Both sides had valid points in some cases but sometimes you just play by the rules.

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If you truly want to restrict access of trolls then add a high post count but also create a script for rolling account access date pending on the time you created your account. For example 1/21/12 could be the start date of those allowed credentials to the recruiting and each day rolls in new accounts. So tomorrow would allow in all accounts created before 1/22/12 that have 1000 posts....and so on. This makes sure that new accounts or trolls or random coaches ore recruits or whoever can't just get on there and see unless they use an older members account. This is also a way to reward loyal posters and app fans who have stuck with this forum for the long haul instead of short term fans or those looking to cause trouble. This will also allow for the policing of what cant be posted on the rest of the site meaning that if someone copies something off the recruiting areas and post it on the open forum area you can delete the post/suspend the account/remove recruiting forum privileges etc. There are ways to control it without stepping on everyone's toes or charging.

Your recommendation would knock out significant numbers of members who have done nothing wrong. There has to be a better way.

[appdaze]

The best solution I saw was an opt in with a minimum post count. If it has come to this make the post count high, 1000 or greater, that way it would be obvious if a troll just started a flurry of nonsense posts trying to get their count up. To be honest I have never even opened the main recruiting section that has been taken down. I just checked the threads when I saw a coach tweet. I do agree that some were just stirring shit and purposely trying to piss off the author of the information. Both sides had valid points in some cases but sometimes you just play by the rules.

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If you truly want to restrict access of trolls then add a high post count but also create a script for rolling account access date pending on the time you created your account. For example 1/21/12 could be the start date of those allowed credentials to the recruiting and each day rolls in new accounts. So tomorrow would allow in all accounts created before 1/22/12 that have 1000 posts....and so on. This makes sure that new accounts or trolls or random coaches ore recruits or whoever can't just get on there and see unless they use an older members account. This is also a way to reward loyal posters and app fans who have stuck with this forum for the long haul instead of short term fans or those looking to cause trouble. This will also allow for the policing of what cant be posted on the rest of the site meaning that if someone copies something off the recruiting areas and post it on the open forum area you can delete the post/suspend the account/remove recruiting forum privileges etc. There are ways to control it without stepping on everyone's toes or charging.

Your recommendation would knock out significant numbers of members who have done nothing wrong. There has to be a better way.

Dates and post counts can be adjusted I was just using example numbers.

[ASUPATCH]

I dont know, free speech seems like a very good option. You know that little thingy in the constitution. If coaches dont want the info to get out they can tell recruits not to post about it for us all to see.

[asufan87]

Moderators, it's YOUR board. Do as you damn well please. You can't make everyone happy, so don't waste your time trying to appease everyone. If something doesn't meet your guidelines, delete it. If it pisses a few people off, so be it. If they don't like it, they can start their own board. Just my $.02.

[bcoach]

I dont know, free speech seems like a very good option. You know that little thingy in the constitution. If coaches dont want the info to get out they can tell recruits not to post about it for us all to see.

Now that is a bit confusing. Free speech applies to people on boards but not to football players.

[ASUPATCH]

Never said it didnt apply to the players, stated if they dont want the info out they can moderate if they want to.

[bcoach]

Never said it didnt apply to the players, stated if they dont want the info out they can moderate if they want to.

As can this board.

[hapapp]

I dont know, free speech seems like a very good option. You know that little thingy in the constitution. If coaches dont want the info to get out they can tell recruits not to post about it for us all to see.

You have no free speech rights on a message board that is the property of someone else. The moderators have every authority to control what is allowed and what is not.

[Rick0714]

Here's the thing on free speech, it applies to everyone. If any poster says "I will provide the following speech (information) provided you do not limit my speech (ie violate my level of free speech by using that speech against my will or limitations I set)", then that poster has suffered a free speech violations by having his speech used beyond his limits he set. We are not dealing with copyrights, but personal choice, but it still applies. The speaker can not take back his "speech" but he can simply no longer provide it, but those that limit his speech are still selfishly violating his rights by declaring their on rights "more important". However, as stated, posts on a message board would not qualify as free speech anyway.

"Free speech protection, however, does not extend to private homes or businesses. You may have the right to say what you like in a public forum, but you don’t have the right to enter a private home or business and do that. In such situations your right to free speech is subject to the discretion of the owner of that private forum."

[bcoach]

Last two posts are right on. For the record my last post was not in the legal definition but rather in the form of what's good for the goose..................................

[Rekdiver]

I just read all the posts sitting here watching snow fall. Here's my gripe. I want to see info about recruiting. I've enjoyed the past few years of "moose hunting"(I thought that was clever) I've now been deprived of this because a few don't want to follow a couple of simple requests. Here's my solution. Have a separate login for the Recruiting thread, on that you have to sign up for. To have access you have to accept the rules of the recruiting thread. It would be the only thread allowed to discuss recruits. The first time a poster fails to follow the rules their access is blocked and email address flagged(or their IP address blocked) The free speech thing Ixwont even address. Ill save that for Bernie Sanders and the Political Thread far away from my enjoyment of recruiting efforts.

[APPARJ]

No one has a constitutional right to post whatever they want on any forum and especially this one. The state does not own this website or pay hosting and administration fees. The private citizen owners of this site can literally do whatever they want in terms of what people say here.

[asu66]

No one has a constitutional right to post whatever they want on any forum and especially this one. The state does not own this website or pay hosting and administration fees. The private citizen owners of this site can literally do whatever they want in terms of what people say here.

You are appsolutely correct. This is really not complicated, at all. The MMB is a private enterprise. As such, the owner/owners has/have granted membership to a certain group of individuals. This membership comes with the privilege of usage of the message board client software and the Internet connectivity. The membership and the privilege can be revoked by the owners at any time and for any cause they deem to be necessary and appropriate. We, as members, have no privileges other than those granted by the ownership.

[bh2oson]

I like several of the options that have been mentioned. I hope at least one of them gets implemented and we can get the recruiting data back. Any chance of getting it back or has the ship sailed for good?

[WVAPPeer]

I spoke with Moose yesterday - Once we get thru Signing Day he is going to take some time and examine possibilities and make some decisions...