Jerry Moore will not return

[Watauga72]

Glassonion, Appfan has been overrun by a-holes who issue proclamations and than personally attack anyone who disagrees. Hope they don't find their way here.

[appst89]

Glassonion, Appfan has been overrun by a-holes who issue proclamations and than personally attack anyone who disagrees. Hope they don't find their way here.

They're welcome to come here, but they won't stay long if they don't behave. Trust me on that.

[bcoach]

When I look at the reasons that "it was time to go" the only thing that comes to mind is that many here are going to be jumping off tall buildings in the future. When we get to FBS if you think we are going to win the conference every year or EVER win a national championship, or not have players in trouble you are dreaming. How would you like to have FB at VT. To add to the years of problems he has had, he just had two players build and explode a BOMB!! OH I forgot he is going to a bowl so everything should be ok.

[newtoasu]

Agreed that if they already had another coach lined up to come in that he shouldn't be allowed to come back. But they didn't. Seems that allowing Jerry to stay another year would have made the transition to Satterfield easier and would have been less hassle than this coaching search.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the process ongoing now, but just because they haven't named a new coach does not mean they haven't made that decision.

In addition, if there was an agreement for one more year last year (and I have no knowledge of that either), but if that agreement was in place, who's to say that after next year Coach Moore wouldn't ask for one more year? Then people would be upset that his wishes were not honored like they were this year.

As I said earlier, I don't think that anyone on here does not respect and admire Coach Moore for all that he has done over the years for the program and the University. However, I would think that even his most ardent supporters would agree that the last 2 to 3 years have been less then stellar, especially off the field.

If the agreement was made, it was honored and should now be let to occur, which it has.

[Gonzo]

Confused how so many people thought it was time. It was time when he said so, the end.

I get what you're saying, but no one man, even one as great as Jerry Moore, is bigger than the program he represents. By saying that he has absolute power to dictate when it's time to go, you're saying it's okay for him to have more power than his supervisor. It can't be that way. It just can't.

Right now I think he had that power. Wasn't losing his mind, embarassing the school or anything. Deserved the chance to try another year.

Agreed that if they already had another coach lined up to come in that he shouldn't be allowed to come back. But they didn't. Seems that allowing Jerry to stay another year would have made the transition to Satterfield easier and would have been less hassle than this coaching search.

Uh...Yes they did. His name is Scott Satterfield and he wouldn't transfer to an OC roll at an FCS school from an OC roll at an FBS school unless there was some sort of indication that he would be an FBS head coach.

[AppinVA]

Confused how so many people thought it was time. It was time when he said so, the end.

I get what you're saying, but no one man, even one as great as Jerry Moore, is bigger than the program he represents. By saying that he has absolute power to dictate when it's time to go, you're saying it's okay for him to have more power than his supervisor. It can't be that way. It just can't.

Right now I think he had that power. Wasn't losing his mind, embarassing the school or anything. Deserved the chance to try another year.

Agreed that if they already had another coach lined up to come in that he shouldn't be allowed to come back. But they didn't. Seems that allowing Jerry to stay another year would have made the transition to Satterfield easier and would have been less hassle than this coaching search.

That power you speak of is a form of insubordination. That's why I am saying it can't be that way. Say CC (who from many accounts, we can conclude that there was an agreement that this would be his final year, but nothing was made public) chose to give him another, another year, but we don't really hear anything other than stuff that can be dismissed as hearsay (like we did last year)? What if next fall, he wants another, another year?

I've come to the conclusion that, if it's true that JM was given another year, last year, the mistake that Cobb made was made was to not announce the terms to the public. Sly move, whether intended or not intended, on the part of JM to want to keep this hush-hush.

[biggie]

Agreed that if they already had another coach lined up to come in that he shouldn't be allowed to come back. But they didn't. Seems that allowing Jerry to stay another year would have made the transition to Satterfield easier and would have been less hassle than this coaching search.

I have absolutely no knowledge of the process ongoing now, but just because they haven't named a new coach does not mean they haven't made that decision.

They interviewed Elliot Sunday, doubt they had made a decision before that.

[JCline0429]

Very poorly done. A lot like how things have been handled for a while now. CC should never be allowed to make any announcement. He needs a PR person. His press release read that coach was fired, plain and simple. Bird brain did not have the intelligence to say the word RETIRE!!! If you are one that does not want to go FBS you should be very happy we have CC, as he couldn't present a plan to first grader. It sure shows where he came from.

If it wasn't a retirement then why would he say the word? I'm just curious as to how it could have been handled better? It was a tough situation where everybody involved knew since last year that this was it, then Moore asked for another year (not unusual for coaches to do) and CC felt he had to say no. That's pretty much what's in the release. I agree that it is a potentially unpleasant situation, but what should have been done differently?

From the first paragraph of CC's initial quote it sounded like more did retire but the decision was forced by Charlie and Chancelor Peacock and Moore agreed to finishing the season. So I think it was handled properly and CC suffers no repercussions and Jerry saves face since most people think it was just an ordinary retirement.

[newtoasu]

They interviewed Elliot Sunday, doubt they had made a decision before that.

I don't doubt that they knew EXACTLY who they were going to interview and when those interviews would take place with regard to when the season ended. Having several to choose from and not having someone in mind are two totally different things.

Interviewing Sunday for a position that opened on Saturday tells me that they actually did have someone (or a group of someones) slated for this job.

I'm pretty sure that Cobb has had a list of replacements for the last year on his desk just waiting until he could interview them, after the vacancy was open.

Would it have made you happier had they interviewed potential applicants during the season?

[clayton]

"What should have been done differently?"

Everybody would feel better if Jerry Moore was a bigger part of all of this. If Jerry Moore says, "I've decided to step down as coach," we have no controversy. But, we have a statement without quotes from Moore and a press conference without Moore. That shouldn't happen.

The decision didn't have to be announced on Sunday. If I'm Jerry Moore or Charlie Cobb, then I'm pretty emotional on Sunday morning. That's not the best time to finalize such a big decision.

Also, if there was definite plan in place for Coach Moore to step down after the season, Scott Satterfield, as assistant head coach, should have known.

So, that's what should've been done differently.

I really want to hear from Jerry Moore and I really hope he's willing to continue to be a big part of Appalachian. I assume he is. Also, I hope Charlie Cobb gets another job.

[hAPPy4APP]

Asking for an extension has nothing to do with POWER. In my 30+ years in management, I've encountered this same scenario numersous times.
I have had both employees and managers change their mind about when to retire, and if I haven't committed to someone already, and the person has made the contributions commensurate with a JM legacy,and by his actions still can, I don't just say, "its time". Its not that hard to put the applications you have on hold. Another better one might actually come along a year from now.
I'm still not drinking CC's kool-aid.

[JTApps1]

Please, some of the comments I've read on here are down right shameful. Had it not been for Jerry Moore, does anyone honestly believe ASU would have 12 SoCon titles, 3 National Championships, have beaten Michigan, or have the attendance and the facilities that are there now??? The man gave 24 years of his life to this University. I think the very least that should have taken place is one more season. Even if they do announce they are going FBS, it won't be next year. And can you just imagine the atmosphere and attendance if everyone knew next year was his final season? I'm sorry, but this was another terrible decision by Charlie Cobb, and I truly hope the football program doesn't fail like mens basketball has since his last blunder.

While nobody can deny Coach Moore has accomplished great things at ASU I think it would be naive to think Cobb had nothing to do with the success of our program during his time here. Don't forget that Jerry had very few of the big wins you bring up before Cobb and Peacock took over. You could argue that the former AD held him back, but it's impossible to say what Moore would have done with different leadership. Here's what did happen by the numbers:

1989-2004: Record= 120-60 (67%), SoCon Titles=3, Playoff Record=6-9 (40%), National Championships=0, SoCon COY=3, National COY=0

2005-2012: Record= 87-23 (79%), SoCon Titles=9, Playoff Record=16-4 (80%), National Championships=3, SoCon COY=5, National COY=5

It's safe to say both men have benefitted from each other.

[TheMoody1]

Asking for an extension has nothing to do with POWER. In my 30+ years in management, I've encountered this same scenario numersous times.
I have had both employees and managers change their mind about when to retire, and if I haven't committed to someone already, and the person has made the contributions commensurate with a JM legacy,and by his actions still can, I don't just say, "its time". Its not that hard to put the applications you have on hold. Another better one might actually come along a year from now.
I'm still not drinking CC's kool-aid.

College coaching is a lot different than your average Corporate gig. Recruits and their parents would like to know who is going to be coaching them for the next 4 to 5 years. I know no coach can guarantee his tenure but they would know JM is only going to be around for 1 more year. IMO - it hurts recruiting.

[bcoach]

Asking for an extension has nothing to do with POWER. In my 30+ years in management, I've encountered this same scenario numersous times.
I have had both employees and managers change their mind about when to retire, and if I haven't committed to someone already, and the person has made the contributions commensurate with a JM legacy,and by his actions still can, I don't just say, "its time". Its not that hard to put the applications you have on hold. Another better one might actually come along a year from now.
I'm still not drinking CC's kool-aid.

College coaching is a lot different than your average Corporate gig. Recruits and their parents would like to know who is going to be coaching them for the next 4 to 5 years. I know no coach can guarantee his tenure but they would know JM is only going to be around for 1 more year. IMO - it hurts recruiting.

Not if you have a line of succession. This could have been handled better.

[bcoach]

And just what position did Charlie coach?

[RankinApp]

This could have been handled better.

How so? An agreement was made that this would be Coach Moore's final season on the sideline. The agreement has been honored.

It's time to celebrate and remember fondly the success that Appalachian football has experienced the previous 24 years while facing the future with optimism and excitement.

Seems to me a few folks will continue to grind the axe.

[appthunder90]

Not if you have a line of succession. This could have been handled better.

in all fairness, FSU had a line of succession and it still got messy. I agree however, that this could have been handled better.

[ASU13]

For all of you that say "It is time", the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence until you get there. If Coach Moore wants another year, he should have it, no questions about it. This is about Charlie Cobb putting another notch on his handed to him resume..(by Coach Moore), by trying to push him out to move up. I feel it is almost absurd to disregard him this request given the circumstances. And for all who say "with the off field instances", players behaving badly etc... it will only get worse with Coach Moore gone and Charlies move up final. The type of attitude that comes with that type of player at those levels only breed problems. As for recruiting it definitely hurts...including players who are here now. It shows a complete lack of class to a Coach who has given all and has more to give for his program....whats that get you here at APP State, a pink slip.

[GlassOnion]

I wish those people would think what it had been like if Charlie Cobb had done nothing.

Think of JM continuing exactly what he had created, unchanged. Think of a staff this year, NOT including Satterfield, WITH Chris Moore as a primary cog in playcalling, with a pretty pay raise Im guessing, and McClain screaming at the players still.

Think of how bad we were on defense in 2012, and add how bad we were on offense in 2011, and you get the picture.

[ASU_MBA]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to get...Cobb wanted to make a change last year following our Maine blowout and team issues. Moore and Cobb made a compromise to bring in new staff (Fire Chris Moore) and give Jerry one more year. Jerry decided this year he wanted to coach an additional year and perhaps had a senior moment in forgetting what Cobb had laid out. Moore asked to return, Cobb said no. It was not a retirement it was a simply letting Moore's contract expire and not renewing.

The time has come, Jerry built ASU football with the help of many great people but he is not bigger than ASU football. Our performance on the field is not to the level that it once was and what Cobb wants.
It has NOTHING to do with us going FBS as some speculate. This would have happened whether the realignment occurred or not. IT has everything to do with Cobb wanting to bring new leadership and direction to the program and not letting Moore become Bobby Bowden and stay several years too long.

I sent Cobb an email thanking him for his leadership in this difficult time. Hopefully the new coach with to the right thing and expire the contract of Dale Jones as well.....the man has stayed waaay too long and our defense needs new blood.