Shawn Elliot as next Coach?

[Watauga72]

Horton may be searching for a new gig as Arkansas just hired Wisconsin's coach. New coaches usually bring their own staff.

[unknown]

What do you guys think about former ASU assistant and Razorback recruiting coordinator, Tim Horton?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewA ... EASON=2012

Time has passed. He left 15 years ago and hasn't advanced very far.

He's still an SEC recruiter. I like him for HC better than Elliot or Satterfield.

I don't want anybody coming in here that has ever had anything to do with Bobby Petrino. Aside from that, what makes an SEC recruiter a better candidate for head coach than they guy that helped win us 3 national championships?

This board has a bad case Of short memory and grass is greener on the other side syndrome. While he was gone, all everyone wanted was Satterfield back. Now that he's here, just about anybody else will do.

You would be wise to hold such comments when you don't know the real story. As recruiting coordinator Horton was the only hold over from Houston Nutt's staff. Tim is an Arkansas grad and loves his coaching at his school. I think you will agree coaching running backs at an SEC school is a fairly tough gig to get and I'm sure you would have walked away from it on principle. Tim Horton has more integrity and class in his little finger than most people do in their entire body. He is also one of the hardest working assistant coaches in the country and was recognized by Rivals.com and ESPN.com as one of the top recruiters in the nation. You guys are lamenting over losing a person of character like Coach Moore but don't realize a guy just like him is wanting to come back to Boone and carry on Coach Moore's legacy.

Hasn't advanced very far? Going to the Mtn West from ASU is a bigger jump than what Scott accomplished in two stops. You must think jumping BACK to FCS from FBS is more impressive than going from Air Force to Arkansas. He has coached under some of the best coaches in college football. Frank Broyles, Ken Hatfield, Fisher DeBerry, Bill Snyder, Houston Nutt and Petrino - who is a jerk but a smart football coach. Coaching in the Big XII, Mountain West and SEC is a tad more daunting than a couple of years at Toledo and FIU or two years coaching offensive line coach at South Carolina. Good luck trying to convince people Satterfield's or Elliot's experience is more impressive than Horton's.

Why you guys keep thinking Elliot and Satterfield will bring back the magic og 05, 06 & 07 baffles me. There were other good coaches involved who are long gone, not to mention a couple of guys wearing #7 & #14. Do you think Elliot or Satterfield will make the hard decision and fire the defensive staff? Did you know Scott and Jones were business partners a few years back building houses together in the off season? Did you know Scott was ready to give up coaching before a chance meeting landed him back in Boone this year? Did you know Elliot was ready to jump ship and take a job at Davidson after the '04 season, but Coach Moore would not give him a recomendation? After going to USC Elliot gushed on and on about how he bled Garnet and Black and was a life long Gamecock fan. I'm so sorry he had to slum down to playing at ASU. If he loves the Roosters that much he can keep his ass stay in Columbia.

If Shawn comes back it is because he loves Appalachian State. His earning potential is far greater if he were to stay on his current path. As far as making the "hard choices", one would have to consider how many years a coach has left on their contract. Can App afford to pay a coach to not coach?

As far as what he said when he took the USC job, what was he supposed to say?

Say what you want, but I promise you he doesn't feel like he "slummed down" by playing for ASU. Don't question his love for Appalachian State and the place he has spent most of his adult life. If he ends up back in Bonne that should be very clear

[appgrad]

Horton may be searching for a new gig as Arkansas just hired Wisconsin's coach. New coaches usually bring their own staff.

Maybe - but a guy who knows the recruiting trails of Arkansas is someone Bielema will want to keep around.

[appgrad]

Good response - Coach Elliot knows the benefits of the spread, but when he was here, we ran it WITH Power. Our line was agressive, fast, and physical...I feel like we've lost a lot of that.

And with Jamal, I think we have a QB where we could go with a Mulitple offense.

They switched over to the spread after Jay Gruden came here one summer and worked with them. The rest is history..3 Championships

And now everyone runs it...yay, us.

[unknown]

Good response - Coach Elliot knows the benefits of the spread, but when he was here, we ran it WITH Power. Our line was agressive, fast, and physical...I feel like we've lost a lot of that.

And with Jamal, I think we have a QB where we could go with a Mulitple offense.

They switched over to the spread after Jay Gruden came here one summer and worked with them. The rest is history..3 Championships

And now everyone runs it...yay, us.

Just win baby~Al Davis

[asumike83]

You would be wise to hold such comments when you don't know the real story. As recruiting coordinator Horton was the only hold over from Houston Nutt's staff. Tim is an Arkansas grad and loves his coaching at his school. I think you will agree coaching running backs at an SEC school is a fairly tough gig to get and I'm sure you would have walked away from it on principle. Tim Horton has more integrity and class in his little finger than most people do in their entire body. He is also one of the hardest working assistant coaches in the country and was recognized by Rivals.com and ESPN.com as one of the top recruiters in the nation. You guys are lamenting over losing a person of character like Coach Moore but don't realize a guy just like him is wanting to come back to Boone and carry on Coach Moore's legacy.

Hasn't advanced very far? Going to the Mtn West from ASU is a bigger jump than what Scott accomplished in two stops. You must think jumping BACK to FCS from FBS is more impressive than going from Air Force to Arkansas. He has coached under some of the best coaches in college football. Frank Broyles, Ken Hatfield, Fisher DeBerry, Bill Snyder, Houston Nutt and Petrino - who is a jerk but a smart football coach. Coaching in the Big XII, Mountain West and SEC is a tad more daunting than a couple of years at Toledo and FIU or two years coaching offensive line coach at South Carolina. Good luck trying to convince people Satterfield's or Elliot's experience is more impressive than Horton's.

Kgfish, I believe you and I have had a disagreement or two before but I agree 100% with your comments on Tim Horton. He is a very classy guy who I feel is perfectly qualified to lead our program into a possible FBS transition.

Devaluing him because he worked under Petrino for a few years is extremely unfair. The blame for Bobby Petrino wasting school funds on his mistress falls on one person, Bobby Petrino. Horton is a good man that any of us would be proud to have represent Appalachian State.

As you mentioned, he is regarded as one of the top recruiters in the nation. The value in having one of the top recruiters in the country with experience in the most powerful conference in college football would be immense. He is very well connected and would carry a lot of weight on the recruiting trail.

Also, it is worth noting that he has a great relationship with Scott Satterfield. He was on the coaching staff all four years Scott played at Appalachian and they were on the staff together for one season in 1998. I don't think anybody wants Satterfield gone, there is nobody I'd rather have running the offense and I think it is safe to say that Horton feels the same. Bringing him in would likely leave the offensive staff (which I am quite fond of) intact and provide some continuity on that side of the ball while allowing him to make the necessary changes on defense.

There has been a lot of debate about whether we should go with an "App guy" like SS or Elliott who played at ASU and learned under Coach Moore or an outsider. I think Horton is the perfect middle ground. He got his start under Jerry in 1990, loves Appalachian and the Boone area but has spent 14 years away from the program coaching in the FBS ranks.

Whether the search will go beyond Satterfield and Elliott remains to be seen but not giving Horton a look would be a shame, because he is an excellent candidate.

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

Just win baby~Al Davis

wow...now you quote al davis...what a wise man this "unknown" has turned out to be....

[Daq32]

Satterfield seems to have the job locked up. I'm sure the "national search" is just in accordance with policy. If you look at the sequence of events, it just wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for it to be any other way.

[unknown]

hold yourself still beer man

[appthunder90]

hold yourself still beer man

what a strange thing to say

[goapps93]

If Shawn comes back it is because he loves Appalachian State. His earning potential is far greater if he were to stay on his current path. As far as making the "hard choices", one would have to consider how many years a coach has left on their contract. Can App afford to pay a coach to not coach?As far as what he said when he took the USC job, what was he supposed to say?

Say what you want, but I promise you he doesn't feel like he "slummed down" by playing for ASU. Don't question his love for Appalachian State and the place he has spent most of his adult life. If he ends up back in Bonne that should be very clear[/quote]

It is my understanding that our assistant coaches do not have long-term contracts, they are year to year.

[unknown]

If Shawn comes back it is because he loves Appalachian State. His earning potential is far greater if he were to stay on his current path. As far as making the "hard choices", one would have to consider how many years a coach has left on their contract. Can App afford to pay a coach to not coach?As far as what he said when he took the USC job, what was he supposed to say?

Say what you want, but I promise you he doesn't feel like he "slummed down" by playing for ASU. Don't question his love for Appalachian State and the place he has spent most of his adult life. If he ends up back in Bonne that should be very clear

It is my understanding that our assistant coaches do not have long-term contracts, they are year to year.[/quote]

I have no idea im just raising the question

[asumike83]

Assistant coaches are year to year, that is my understanding as well.

[appbio91]

What do you guys think about former ASU assistant and Razorback recruiting coordinator, Tim Horton?

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewA ... EASON=2012

Time has passed. He left 15 years ago and hasn't advanced very far.

He's still an SEC recruiter. I like him for HC better than Elliot or Satterfield.

I don't want anybody coming in here that has ever had anything to do with Bobby Petrino. Aside from that, what makes an SEC recruiter a better candidate for head coach than they guy that helped win us 3 national championships?

This board has a bad case Of short memory and grass is greener on the other side syndrome. While he was gone, all everyone wanted was Satterfield back. Now that he's here, just about anybody else will do.

You would be wise to hold such comments when you don't know the real story. As recruiting coordinator Horton was the only hold over from Houston Nutt's staff. Tim is an Arkansas grad and loves his coaching at his school. I think you will agree coaching running backs at an SEC school is a fairly tough gig to get and I'm sure you would have walked away from it on principle. Tim Horton has more integrity and class in his little finger than most people do in their entire body. He is also one of the hardest working assistant coaches in the country and was recognized by Rivals.com and ESPN.com as one of the top recruiters in the nation. You guys are lamenting over losing a person of character like Coach Moore but don't realize a guy just like him is wanting to come back to Boone and carry on Coach Moore's legacy.

Hasn't advanced very far? Going to the Mtn West from ASU is a bigger jump than what Scott accomplished in two stops. You must think jumping BACK to FCS from FBS is more impressive than going from Air Force to Arkansas. He has coached under some of the best coaches in college football. Frank Broyles, Ken Hatfield, Fisher DeBerry, Bill Snyder, Houston Nutt and Petrino - who is a jerk but a smart football coach. Coaching in the Big XII, Mountain West and SEC is a tad more daunting than a couple of years at Toledo and FIU or two years coaching offensive line coach at South Carolina. Good luck trying to convince people Satterfield's or Elliot's experience is more impressive than Horton's.

Why you guys keep thinking Elliot and Satterfield will bring back the magic og 05, 06 & 07 baffles me. There were other good coaches involved who are long gone, not to mention a couple of guys wearing #7 & #14. Do you think Elliot or Satterfield will make the hard decision and fire the defensive staff? Did you know Scott and Jones were business partners a few years back building houses together in the off season? Did you know Scott was ready to give up coaching before a chance meeting landed him back in Boone this year? Did you know Elliot was ready to jump ship and take a job at Davidson after the '04 season, but Coach Moore would not give him a recomendation? After going to USC Elliot gushed on and on about how he bled Garnet and Black and was a life long Gamecock fan. I'm so sorry he had to slum down to playing at ASU. If he loves the Roosters that much he can keep his ass stay in Columbia.

This is the best GD post I have read on this new message board.

[Kgfish]

After going to USC Elliot gushed on and on about how he bled Garnet and Black and was a life long Gamecock fan. I'm so sorry he had to slum down to playing at ASU. If he loves the Roosters that much he can keep his ass stay in Columbia.

it is amazing how butthurt some people get over what is termed Coachspeak

What is amazing is how some people can't see the difference between coachspeak and kowtowing.

[Kgfish]

You would be wise to hold such comments when you don't know the real story. As recruiting coordinator Horton was the only hold over from Houston Nutt's staff. Tim is an Arkansas grad and loves his coaching at his school. I think you will agree coaching running backs at an SEC school is a fairly tough gig to get and I'm sure you would have walked away from it on principle. Tim Horton has more integrity and class in his little finger than most people do in their entire body. He is also one of the hardest working assistant coaches in the country and was recognized by Rivals.com and ESPN.com as one of the top recruiters in the nation. You guys are lamenting over losing a person of character like Coach Moore but don't realize a guy just like him is wanting to come back to Boone and carry on Coach Moore's legacy.

Hasn't advanced very far? Going to the Mtn West from ASU is a bigger jump than what Scott accomplished in two stops. You must think jumping BACK to FCS from FBS is more impressive than going from Air Force to Arkansas. He has coached under some of the best coaches in college football. Frank Broyles, Ken Hatfield, Fisher DeBerry, Bill Snyder, Houston Nutt and Petrino - who is a jerk but a smart football coach. Coaching in the Big XII, Mountain West and SEC is a tad more daunting than a couple of years at Toledo and FIU or two years coaching offensive line coach at South Carolina. Good luck trying to convince people Satterfield's or Elliot's experience is more impressive than Horton's.

Kgfish, I believe you and I have had a disagreement or two before but I agree 100% with your comments on Tim Horton. He is a very classy guy who I feel is perfectly qualified to lead our program into a possible FBS transition.

Devaluing him because he worked under Petrino for a few years is extremely unfair. The blame for Bobby Petrino wasting school funds on his mistress falls on one person, Bobby Petrino. Horton is a good man that any of us would be proud to have represent Appalachian State.

As you mentioned, he is regarded as one of the top recruiters in the nation. The value in having one of the top recruiters in the country with experience in the most powerful conference in college football would be immense. He is very well connected and would carry a lot of weight on the recruiting trail.

Also, it is worth noting that he has a great relationship with Scott Satterfield. He was on the coaching staff all four years Scott played at Appalachian and they were on the staff together for one season in 1998. I don't think anybody wants Satterfield gone, there is nobody I'd rather have running the offense and I think it is safe to say that Horton feels the same. Bringing him in would likely leave the offensive staff (which I am quite fond of) intact and provide some continuity on that side of the ball while allowing him to make the necessary changes on defense.

There has been a lot of debate about whether we should go with an "App guy" like SS or Elliott who played at ASU and learned under Coach Moore or an outsider. I think Horton is the perfect middle ground. He got his start under Jerry in 1990, loves Appalachian and the Boone area but has spent 14 years away from the program coaching in the FBS ranks.

Whether the search will go beyond Satterfield and Elliott remains to be seen but not giving Horton a look would be a shame, because he is an excellent candidate.

Mike we can disagree on the little stuff, but what matters is we agree on the really important stuff! These guys who pop off at the mouth about something they know nothing about tells you a lot about them. Amazing how many "experts" are out there who don't have a clue.

GoApps93 I know all about Elliot and have since he came to ASU. He was an emotional player and is the same as a coach, some call him a hot head. More than a few people I know think he is a smart azz. I still can see him running over to the stands during games screaming at the fans to make noise. After that some people I know began calling him the cheerleader coach. Is that the face ASU needs on its football program? After his first USC / GA game two years ago - won by SC - Shawn met Stacy Searles at midfield and said something to the effect of " it looks like the pupil showed the teacher a thing or two today." Searles was not amused. Way to stay classy Elliot.

[goapps93]

You would be wise to hold such comments when you don't know the real story. As recruiting coordinator Horton was the only hold over from Houston Nutt's staff. Tim is an Arkansas grad and loves his coaching at his school. I think you will agree coaching running backs at an SEC school is a fairly tough gig to get and I'm sure you would have walked away from it on principle. Tim Horton has more integrity and class in his little finger than most people do in their entire body. He is also one of the hardest working assistant coaches in the country and was recognized by Rivals.com and ESPN.com as one of the top recruiters in the nation. You guys are lamenting over losing a person of character like Coach Moore but don't realize a guy just like him is wanting to come back to Boone and carry on Coach Moore's legacy.

Hasn't advanced very far? Going to the Mtn West from ASU is a bigger jump than what Scott accomplished in two stops. You must think jumping BACK to FCS from FBS is more impressive than going from Air Force to Arkansas. He has coached under some of the best coaches in college football. Frank Broyles, Ken Hatfield, Fisher DeBerry, Bill Snyder, Houston Nutt and Petrino - who is a jerk but a smart football coach. Coaching in the Big XII, Mountain West and SEC is a tad more daunting than a couple of years at Toledo and FIU or two years coaching offensive line coach at South Carolina. Good luck trying to convince people Satterfield's or Elliot's experience is more impressive than Horton's.

Kgfish, I believe you and I have had a disagreement or two before but I agree 100% with your comments on Tim Horton. He is a very classy guy who I feel is perfectly qualified to lead our program into a possible FBS transition.

Devaluing him because he worked under Petrino for a few years is extremely unfair. The blame for Bobby Petrino wasting school funds on his mistress falls on one person, Bobby Petrino. Horton is a good man that any of us would be proud to have represent Appalachian State.

As you mentioned, he is regarded as one of the top recruiters in the nation. The value in having one of the top recruiters in the country with experience in the most powerful conference in college football would be immense. He is very well connected and would carry a lot of weight on the recruiting trail.

Also, it is worth noting that he has a great relationship with Scott Satterfield. He was on the coaching staff all four years Scott played at Appalachian and they were on the staff together for one season in 1998. I don't think anybody wants Satterfield gone, there is nobody I'd rather have running the offense and I think it is safe to say that Horton feels the same. Bringing him in would likely leave the offensive staff (which I am quite fond of) intact and provide some continuity on that side of the ball while allowing him to make the necessary changes on defense.

There has been a lot of debate about whether we should go with an "App guy" like SS or Elliott who played at ASU and learned under Coach Moore or an outsider. I think Horton is the perfect middle ground. He got his start under Jerry in 1990, loves Appalachian and the Boone area but has spent 14 years away from the program coaching in the FBS ranks.

Whether the search will go beyond Satterfield and Elliott remains to be seen but not giving Horton a look would be a shame, because he is an excellent candidate.

Mike we can disagree on the little stuff, but what matters is we agree on the really important stuff! These guys who pop off at the mouth about something they know nothing about tells you a lot about them. Amazing how many "experts" are out there who don't have a clue.

GoApps93 I know all about Elliot and have since he came to ASU. He was an emotional player and is the same as a coach, some call him a hot head. More than a few people I know think he is a smart azz. I still can see him running over to the stands during games screaming at the fans to make noise. After that some people I know began calling him the cheerleader coach. Is that the face ASU needs on its football program? After his first USC / GA game two years ago - won by SC - Shawn met Stacy Searles at midfield and said something to the effect of " it looks like the pupil showed the teacher a thing or two today." Searles was not amused. Way to stay classy Elliot.

kgfish, that quote in the post was not originally mine. I messed up the quote when I replied with it. I'm pretty much in agreement with you as far as not thinking Elliot is the best choice for Head Coach. I don't, however, question his love for ASU and I don't think he now thinks he was "slumming" when he came to App. But I would bet that he did when he was not able to play for USC. I'm sure lots of our players would have loved to played for whatever FBS/BCS team they grew up rooting for but once they finish their careers at ASU they never lose their love for the school and cherish their time there. I would not, however, expect a former athlete at ASU to choose us over a bigtime job at another school. I would suprise me greatly and make me go hmmm if Sean were to leave USC to return to ASU. And I won't question his feelings for his time here if he doesn't. His career has taken a much better than Scott's did and I would think he'd be in line for bigger jobs at bigger schools if he stays at USC. Now if and when Spurrier decides to retire or leave USC or decide Sean's time is done I could see him coming back as HC or OC. But I'd also think another SEC school would be glad to have him.

[ASUPATCH]

I feel Ron Prince got a raw deal at KSU and might want a HC job again. App grad with BCS head coaching experience. Hes currently the OLINE asst. Coach for the Jax Jaguars. Took the Kstate job at the height of Big12 qb's and KSU didnt have one of them.

If nothing else Prince is a hell of a recruiter as one of his KSU recruits is currently a Heisman Finalist.

[appgrad]

If nothing else Prince is a hell of a recruiter as one of his KSU recruits is currently a Heisman Finalist.

The one he recruited to play Wide Receiver?

[ASUPATCH]

If nothing else Prince is a hell of a recruiter as one of his KSU recruits is currently a Heisman Finalist.

The one he recruited to play Wide Receiver?

So he got his position wrong. Klein is the best running back in the Big12. Hes an athlete playing QB not the other weay around and Prince obviously saw that athletisism.