Jerry Moore will not return

[appgrad]

Is it possible that Peacock and Cobb got tired of Jerry dictating to them especially after last year?

Good possibility - and I also remember hearing stories about Jerry wanting them to name Chris Moore as coach in waiting before he committed to retiring. If that is true - not saying it is - then his grasp of what we need to continue to succeed as a program isn't the strongest.

[JCline0429]

His son should have been let go, but as to the salary, someone on here posted the staff's salaries and his wasn't out of line with the rest based on experience.

What experience? He's never worked anywhere else, he skated along behind Elliots ALL-American OLs as a RBs coach, and was one of the highest paid coaches on staff.

If he was so great a coach to be paid so much, at what prestigious institution is he currently coaching at?

I doubt he is but Sparky Woods is revered at ASU but he has been stuck at that Big South cellar dweller VMI. Does that mean he can't coach? I don't think so. Jr messed up off the field so it's not known whether he could coach anywhere else.

[JCline0429]

I cant wait to see how well all of you so in support of Jerry being fired, like whatever new guy they bring in and goes 6-6 or worse. The program was not and is not in decline, our O line is to small for the playoffs, and no one can control the players all the time. Who would you like to see coach Mr. Onion? Just curious

The team will do fine next year with a healthy star QB and a host of top notch receivers and a maturing OL and DL. It's after that which will tell the story and see what kind of program new blood will bring us. We perhaps have the best receiver in our history in Price.

[AppRy]

The point is that it was presented as something other than a firing. Cobb and Peacock should have the balls to call it what it was; a firing. If you were fired tomorrow and told, we like you so you can stay another year, what would you do. If you were 73 years old you would stay and try to redeem yourself probably. Coach Moore has a right to be pissed. HE WAS FIRED.
Whether it was time for him to go is another topic. It was time. It is just very unfortunate that he did not get to dictate the terms.

I don't love how it was handled but seems to me they have every right to not call it a firing. They didn't terminate his contract, it expired. Regardless of what JM wanted they did not have a commitment to him for another year, nor did he to the school.

[StorminASU]

I cant wait to see how well all of you so in support of Jerry being fired, like whatever new guy they bring in and goes 6-6 or worse. The program was not and is not in decline, our O line is to small for the playoffs, and no one can control the players all the time. Who would you like to see coach Mr. Onion? Just curious

The team will do fine next year with a healthy star QB and a host of top notch receivers and a maturing OL and DL. It's after that which will tell the story and see what kind of program new blood will bring us. We perhaps have the best receiver in our history in Price.

Well we had the greatest App ever in AE, and our best receiver to date in Brian Quick, surrounded by a great cast in 2008 and 2009, but still couldn't bring it home, so I think it has as much to do with coaching for a new Head coach as it does for what's he's inheriting. You're right beyond that though; how he recruits will make or break us, but the belief that next year the coach will succeed with whatever because of what Coach Moore left him is incorrect. The committee with Chris Moore on it couldn't do it in 08 and 09, so coaching plays a HUGE role as well as talent.

[JCline0429]

What difference does it make where he got his experience? I wonder how much CC's wife is making coaching women's soccer. I have said I agree with Jr being fired but to say he made an insane amount of money. None of them, including Jerry, made an insane amount of money.

It makes a difference when youre daddy is the coach, and as a RB coach youre making as much money as the only Coordinator we had at the time.

And what he was making is greater than double what the average American makes.

Yeah and Spurier makes millions. You sure can't make a case for any of our staff being over paid.

[JCline0429]

Well I lost all respect for Peacock and Cobb for trying to paint a different picture than the real story and tried to hide between a poorly worded press release.

They were trying to save Jerry Moores reputation, instead of firing him publicly for losing control of the program, paying his son an insane amount of money, his sons own antics, and other failures on and off the field, such as not recruiting for 2 years, and his staff having arguments and not being able to even get a play called to the QB in the middle of the game.

Perhaps they should just list all of the reasons, and let JMs reputation absorb the impact, instead of the entire program, because these peeons that dont even follow App football are creating a stir without even knowing whats been going on.

His son should have been let go, but as to the salary, someone on here posted the staff's salaries and his wasn't out of line with the rest based on experience.

His son was the second highest paid coach on the staff, and he rose to that level very quickly, passing some other folks along the way.

Glenn: His son wasn't the second-highest paid coach on the staff and I'm surprised you would perpetuate that myth. Jones and Speir had significantly higher salaries. ASU's football salaries were/are largely based on length of service. That's where Chris Moore had an edge over guys like Elder, Holt and Glenn. Certainly Chris Moore's firing was justified, but to suggest Jerry Moore lined his son's pockets is wrong. By the way, all salaries and salary increases are approved by the athletic director.

Good post but facts will be ignored. Rep point for your effort in setting things straight.

[JCline0429]

I cant wait to see how well all of you so in support of Jerry being fired, like whatever new guy they bring in and goes 6-6 or worse. The program was not and is not in decline, our O line is to small for the playoffs, and no one can control the players all the time. Who would you like to see coach Mr. Onion? Just curious

The team will do fine next year with a healthy star QB and a host of top notch receivers and a maturing OL and DL. It's after that which will tell the story and see what kind of program new blood will bring us. We perhaps have the best receiver in our history in Price.

Well we had the greatest App ever in AE, and our best receiver to date in Brian Quick, surrounded by a great cast in 2008 and 2009, but still couldn't bring it home, so I think it has as much to do with coaching for a new Head coach as it does for what's he's inheriting. You're right beyond that though; how he recruits will make or break us, but the belief that next year the coach will succeed with whatever because of what Coach Moore left him is incorrect. The committee with Chris Moore on it couldn't do it in 08 and 09, so coaching plays a HUGE role as well as talent.

An AE that limped around during the Richmond play-off game. Who knows what we would have done with a healthy AE and had Jamal been able to run at all.

[PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY]

Onion... Did you want Coach Moore to be fired?

I wanted him to retire. I wanted him to become what Erk Russel was to GSU. Unfortunately it seems he wants to dismantle the program before he leaves.

where in his quote did he say he wanted to dismantle the program...there possibly was an agreement...ok...lets say thats the case. then you have this ready to put out to media when time is ready. lets say coach asked but was refused one more year...ok thats possible but you would have hoped that the powers that be had in place a plan b for this problem. only thing is, their plan b stunk to high heaven and it has caused us to question whats going on. coach didn't cause the dissension, the timing, lack of clarity between goasu release and cc's actual comments and then what coach is quoted as saying. dismantle the program??? the one he and others built up? the one that if not for him and others, there would be no fbs discussions??? i'm an app fan but for the love of yosef...i'm not gonna just say...coach now bad and powers from up above always good and true.

[Black Saturday]

Is it possible that Peacock and Cobb got tired of Jerry dictating to them especially after last year?

Good possibility - and I also remember hearing stories about Jerry wanting them to name Chris Moore as coach in waiting before he committed to retiring. If that is true - not saying it is - then his grasp of what we need to continue to succeed as a program isn't the strongest.

To be sure naming Mo Ron wasn't ever considered?

A blind man could see that wasn't in APPs best interest.

[asutrnr81]

goapps93: I can appreciate how difficult it is to manage an athletic department that has grown as large as ASU's, and I dislike Monday morning quarterbacking as much as you seem to. But good management isn't rocket science. You just have to know right from wrong. It was wrong to unceremoniously fire someone who brought such honor to this university. Coach Moore didn't deserve the treatment he got from Cobb. And the university doesn't deserve the black eye it has received in the wake of this.

The Asheville Citizen summed up the feelings of many of us:
http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20 ... ck_check=1

78, I love your posts and perspective and yours hAPPened to be the post I could hang my hat on to explain this situation.

These things I can promise everyone on this thread.
1. After last season there was a meeting and decision that this would be Jerry's last year. Mutual agreement.
2. Forget why, it just was and his contract was up.
3. Many people inside and OUTSIDE the program knew it was up ANd this would be the last year.
4. This has NOTHING to do with management. In tough times leaders lead and CC Led this weekend.
5. JM is one of the finest men I have ever known.
6. JM decided to change his mind and that did not fit the NOW YEAR old plan that the University had.
7. The administration in Athletics and Administration stuck with the plan.
8. There is no conspiracy, no plot, no intrigue.
9. Shawn Elliott posted on his Twitter Acct....that he did not interview on Sunday.
10. There is not a magic number of people to be interviewed to make it legal. It has to be posted, you have to follow the posted information, and you can "Screen" in or out anyone who applies. You can seek out applications. You just have to justify if asked how you screened out one person over the other...and the general public can't ask or expect to be answered for that question.
11. In a few weeks this will be old news and JM will still be the winningest coach in the history of the school and will soon take his place of honor in an appropriate way!

Go APPS!

[GlassOnion]

where in his quote did he say he wanted to dismantle the program...there possibly was an agreement...ok...lets say thats the case. then you have this ready to put out to media when time is ready. lets say coach asked but was refused one more year...ok thats possible but you would have hoped that the powers that be had in place a plan b for this problem. only thing is, their plan b stunk to high heaven and it has caused us to question whats going on. coach didn't cause the dissension, the timing, lack of clarity between goasu release and cc's actual comments and then what coach is quoted as saying. dismantle the program??? the one he and others built up? the one that if not for him and others, there would be no fbs discussions??? i'm an app fan but for the love of yosef...i'm not gonna just say...coach now bad and powers from up above always good and true.

His actions say enough. Was Cobb supposed to put the new coaching hire on hold until Jerry Moore came to grips with what he's already known for a year? You cant exactly hire a coach with one already in the chair. Lets forego recruitment too, till JM is comfortable.

Cobb and Peacock bent over backwards, gave him another year, and set up the pieces for him to go out in glory. JM isnt thinking about the program, he's thinking about himself.

The program does not belong to Jerry Moore, he does not have the right to use it as he sees fit. He didnt build it. He is one in a long line of contributors, which is something you people need to get over. Jerry Moore needs to man up and treat Charlie Cobb and Dr Peacock with the respect they TRIED to give him. He knew what the deal was, he took his half and stiffed Cobb and Peacock.

[JCline0429]

I haven't seen anything vindictive from Jerry. Mostly what I see is JM trying to set the record straight. Perhaps he should just let it go, but I don't see anything like trying to tear the program down. Cobb said he had hoped JM would take a position with App athletics to help the university in another way. Sadly, it looks like he is burning bridges that would that would have facilitated that.

[firemoose]

EDIT: Since I started this thread the Chancellor has now realeased a statement so that changes one small part of my top paragraph. But I really am not concerned with what it said as that was not the purpose behind what I wrote. The second paragraph is the reason behind it. I see there are many still, even today, blowing up the board with conspiracies and he said, he said, he said threads. I know there will always be some who will not move on but HOPEFULLY we can soon put this behind us and all be just Mountaineers again.

There are three sides to this story (Cobb side, Moore side, and in the middle, the truth) and no one, no matter how much they snipe, fight, and guess, is ever going to know the whole truth. There are only three people who know what was said in that meeting. Two have given their accounts and the third has not said anything. Unless someone on this board was in the room then NO ONE will know EXACTLY what was said. Dear Lord can we please move on from this. It's DONE. Nothing is going to change what has happened. I know Jerry and Charlie both and I would not even ask them because I don't think I would get a complete answer. They each have their versions and they are sticking to them. So the question becomes what do we do now?

I, for one, plan to continue to support the school and program I love. I will throw everything into welcoming the new staff and giving them my complete support. I will watch, with great interest, the possible move up. I will follow our recruiting with great attention and hope that we sign a great new class of Mountaineers. And I will look forward to spring ball to see how everything comes together. In short, I am looking towards the future, not the past. I hope most of you will join me.

[JCline0429]

where in his quote did he say he wanted to dismantle the program...there possibly was an agreement...ok...lets say thats the case. then you have this ready to put out to media when time is ready. lets say coach asked but was refused one more year...ok thats possible but you would have hoped that the powers that be had in place a plan b for this problem. only thing is, their plan b stunk to high heaven and it has caused us to question whats going on. coach didn't cause the dissension, the timing, lack of clarity between goasu release and cc's actual comments and then what coach is quoted as saying. dismantle the program??? the one he and others built up? the one that if not for him and others, there would be no fbs discussions??? i'm an app fan but for the love of yosef...i'm not gonna just say...coach now bad and powers from up above always good and true.

His actions say enough. Was Cobb supposed to put the new coaching hire on hold until Jerry Moore came to grips with what he's already known for a year? You cant exactly hire a coach with one already in the chair. Lets forego recruitment too, till JM is comfortable.

Cobb and Peacock bent over backwards, gave him another year, and set up the pieces for him to go out in glory. JM isnt thinking about the program, he's thinking about himself.

The program does not belong to Jerry Moore, he does not have the right to use it as he sees fit. He didnt build it. He is one in a long line of contributors, which is something you people need to get over. Jerry Moore needs to man up and treat Charlie Cobb and Dr Peacock with the respect they TRIED to give him. He knew what the deal was, he took his half and stiffed Cobb and Peacock.

Put on hold? Of course not, but interviewing less than 24 hours later is questionable.

[JCline0429]

There are three sides to this story (Cobb side, Moore side, and in the middle, the truth) and no one, no matter how much they snipe, fight, and guess, is ever going to know the whole truth. There are only three people who know what was said in that meeting. Two have given their accounts and the third has not said anything. Unless someone on this board was in the room then NO ONE will know EXACTLY what was said. Dear Lord can we please move on from this. It's DONE. Nothing is going to change what has happened. I know Jerry and Charlie both and I would not even ask them because I don't think I would get a complete answer. They each have their versions and they are sticking to them. So the question becomes what do we do now?

I, for one, plan to continue to support the school and program I love. I will throw everything into welcoming the new staff and giving them my complete support. I will watch, with great interest, the possible move up. I will follow our recruiting with great attention and hope that we sign a great new class of Mountaineers. And I will look forward to spring ball to see how everything comes together. In short, I am looking towards the future, not the past. I hope most of you will join me.

Well said and great advice. However, there is always someone on here and elsewhere who claims to have inside information from some blabbermouth.
Rep point.

[StorminASU]

There are three sides to this story (Cobb side, Moore side, and in the middle, the truth) and no one, no matter how much they snipe, fight, and guess, is ever going to know the whole truth. There are only three people who know what was said in that meeting. Two have given their accounts and the third has not said anything. Unless someone on this board was in the room then NO ONE will know EXACTLY what was said. Dear Lord can we please move on from this. It's DONE. Nothing is going to change what has happened. I know Jerry and Charlie both and I would not even ask them because I don't think I would get a complete answer. They each have their versions and they are sticking to them. So the question becomes what do we do now?

I, for one, plan to continue to support the school and program I love. I will throw everything into welcoming the new staff and giving them my complete support. I will watch, with great interest, the possible move up. I will follow our recruiting with great attention and hope that we sign a great new class of Mountaineers. And I will look forward to spring ball to see how everything comes together. In short, I am looking towards the future, not the past. I hope most of you will join me.

Wish I could like this 100 times. Great sentiment and very true. Let's begin the process of moving on. Bring on Montana and a halftime video at the first home game honoring Coach Moore. GO APPS!!!

[JCline0429]

Good points. The only thing I question is the semantics. Mutual agreement.... but forced. Perhaps it was to save JM's reputation and not trying to CTA.

[asutrnr81]

In JULY good freind of mine who organizes the NC Sports Hall of Fame induction called and TOLD me to mark the calendar date of January 11th 2013. JM would be inducted BE-FREAKING-CAUSE "it was his last year." He confirmed the induction THROUGH JM.

Somehow this information was known BY JM this summer and then this......!

This is not a conspiracy and IF JM asked after the season for another year and the ASU Admin and Athletics had a plan in place for JM to bow out gracefully and JM now says he wants NO controversy...Let's follow JM wishes.

Love you Coach! Enjoyed the ride! Let's name something after the winningest coach in ASU history and
...MOVE ON!

Go APPS!

[HappyHippie]

In JULY good freind of mine who organizes the NC Sports Hall of Fame induction called and TOLD me to mark the calendar date of January 11th 2013. JM would be inducted BE-FREAKING-CAUSE "it was his last year." He confirmed the induction THROUGH JM.

Somehow this information was known BY JM this summer and then this......!

This is not a conspiracy and IF JM asked after the season for another year and the ASU Admin and Athletics had a plan in place for JM to bow out gracefully and JM now says he wants NO controversy...Let's follow JM wishes.

Love you Coach! Enjoyed the ride! Let's name something after the winningest coach in ASU history and
...MOVE ON!

Go APPS!

Coach Moore is already a member of NC Sports Hall of Fame - 2009