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Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:47 am

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APPdiesel wrote: If what Yosef 10 says is correct I wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska come back into the fold. Texas really is the thorn in everyone's side here and if they won't play ball you could see Oklahoma and Kansas hit the road to SEC country.
Nebraska was the one that came to mind for me too. You think the SEC wants Kansas though?
Annual Kansas vs Kentucky basketball match-up, not to mention Oklahoma coming on as a basketball power. A "big 3" that could rival the ACC's...Yeah I think they want them.

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Unread post by Yosef10 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:24 pm

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EastHallApp wrote:
APPdiesel wrote: If what Yosef 10 says is correct I wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska come back into the fold. Texas really is the thorn in everyone's side here and if they won't play ball you could see Oklahoma and Kansas hit the road to SEC country.
Nebraska was the one that came to mind for me too. You think the SEC wants Kansas though?
Annual Kansas vs Kentucky basketball match-up, not to mention Oklahoma coming on as a basketball power. A "big 3" that could rival the ACC's...Yeah I think they want them.

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Idk about that. Football is king in SEC and Kansas is as bottom of the barrel as you can get for a P5 school. And football drives the bus on realignment. Plus with the champions classic and SEC/Big12 challenge in basketball they will get enough of UK vs. KU throughout the years without having to pay KU for it. JMO though.

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Unread post by EastHallApp » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:49 pm

Last time around, when the rumor was that the then-Pac-10 would grab Texas, OU and a few other schools, Kansas was set to be among the rest of the Big XII leftovers looking for a home, with no obvious takers. That's crazy to me given their basketball program, but realignment is about football and TV markets, and they bring neither. Don't know how things will shake out this time, but that's why I asked.

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:20 pm

In reality we are IMO 95% likely to stay in the SBC even if the Big12 takes four members. Two to three of those members will be from the AAC. If two the AAC may stay at 10. I don't see CUSA looking to maintain more than 12 members either.

The only way it gets hairy for us is if the AAC loses three members and looks to go to 14 for some strange reason.

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Unread post by AtlAppMan » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:56 pm

Did Bowlsby or Aresco call Gillen yet? Those are our only logical options, imo.

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Unread post by moonshine » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:27 pm

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APPdiesel wrote:I'm with moonshine...It would take 2 schools with winning tradition across all sports AND market size AND facilities AND cash at hand for CUSA to want to back fill and get back to 14.

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Agree, but the question is, what happens if the AAC only needs to poach one and leaves CUSA at 13?

I'd think it'll depend on which CUSA team gets plucked. If it's a western team, they may go after NMSU or Texas St. If it's an eastern team, they could go several different directions. Go after GSU (for market and recruiting) or amend their by-laws to allow football only membership and grab UMASS with basketball scheduling agreement. The only other Sun Belt school that sort of fits their profile would be USA (market and recruiting) but I think USM would possibly try to block them assuming they don't get taken by the AAC.
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Unread post by Goapps15 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:31 pm

If they added 4 teams it could very easily affect the G5. The G5 at that point could very well realign itself and get rid of the spread out nature of each of the conferences.

The other school who wants back in the Big 12 has to be Mizzou.

The 4 most likely to join
1. Byu
2. Cincinnati
3. Memphis
4. Mizzou/Nebraska

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Unread post by moonshine » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:59 pm

I don't foresee Mizzou giving up the $EC cash cow to rejoin the Big12. Now Nebraska on the otherhand, they may struggle on whether to give up Big10 money for old rivalries.
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Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:21 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
APPdiesel wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
APPdiesel wrote: If what Yosef 10 says is correct I wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska come back into the fold. Texas really is the thorn in everyone's side here and if they won't play ball you could see Oklahoma and Kansas hit the road to SEC country.
Nebraska was the one that came to mind for me too. You think the SEC wants Kansas though?
Annual Kansas vs Kentucky basketball match-up, not to mention Oklahoma coming on as a basketball power. A "big 3" that could rival the ACC's...Yeah I think they want them.

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Idk about that. Football is king in SEC and Kansas is as bottom of the barrel as you can get for a P5 school. And football drives the bus on realignment. Plus with the champions classic and SEC/Big12 challenge in basketball they will get enough of UK vs. KU throughout the years without having to pay KU for it. JMO though.
But that's my point -- the ability to go from a 1 trick pony to a viable basketball league over night.
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Unread post by Yosef10 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:39 pm

APPdiesel wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:
APPdiesel wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
APPdiesel wrote: If what Yosef 10 says is correct I wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska come back into the fold. Texas really is the thorn in everyone's side here and if they won't play ball you could see Oklahoma and Kansas hit the road to SEC country.
Nebraska was the one that came to mind for me too. You think the SEC wants Kansas though?
Annual Kansas vs Kentucky basketball match-up, not to mention Oklahoma coming on as a basketball power. A "big 3" that could rival the ACC's...Yeah I think they want them.

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Idk about that. Football is king in SEC and Kansas is as bottom of the barrel as you can get for a P5 school. And football drives the bus on realignment. Plus with the champions classic and SEC/Big12 challenge in basketball they will get enough of UK vs. KU throughout the years without having to pay KU for it. JMO though.
But that's my point -- the ability to go from a 1 trick pony to a viable basketball league over night.
Ah somehow I missed the part about including OU as well. That makes more sense though I just still couldn't imagine them taking on Kansas in any capacity. SEC is pretty proud about the South Eastern aspect of the conference I believe.

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Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:47 pm

Yosef10 wrote:
APPdiesel wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:
APPdiesel wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
Nebraska was the one that came to mind for me too. You think the SEC wants Kansas though?
Annual Kansas vs Kentucky basketball match-up, not to mention Oklahoma coming on as a basketball power. A "big 3" that could rival the ACC's...Yeah I think they want them.

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Idk about that. Football is king in SEC and Kansas is as bottom of the barrel as you can get for a P5 school. And football drives the bus on realignment. Plus with the champions classic and SEC/Big12 challenge in basketball they will get enough of UK vs. KU throughout the years without having to pay KU for it. JMO though.
But that's my point -- the ability to go from a 1 trick pony to a viable basketball league over night.
Ah somehow I missed the part about including OU as well. That makes more sense though I just still couldn't imagine them taking on Kansas in any capacity. SEC is pretty proud about the South Eastern aspect of the conference I believe.
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Unread post by EastHallApp » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:18 pm

APPdiesel wrote:
Yosef10 wrote:
APPdiesel wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
APPdiesel wrote: If what Yosef 10 says is correct I wouldn't be surprised to see Nebraska come back into the fold. Texas really is the thorn in everyone's side here and if they won't play ball you could see Oklahoma and Kansas hit the road to SEC country.
Nebraska was the one that came to mind for me too. You think the SEC wants Kansas though?
Annual Kansas vs Kentucky basketball match-up, not to mention Oklahoma coming on as a basketball power. A "big 3" that could rival the ACC's...Yeah I think they want them.

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Idk about that. Football is king in SEC and Kansas is as bottom of the barrel as you can get for a P5 school. And football drives the bus on realignment. Plus with the champions classic and SEC/Big12 challenge in basketball they will get enough of UK vs. KU throughout the years without having to pay KU for it. JMO though.
But that's my point -- the ability to go from a 1 trick pony to a viable basketball league over night.
Again, makes sense to me, but that hasn't been the SEC's approach in the past.

Also wonder where Mizzou would stand on such a move. IIRC they were pretty proud at the idea that they'd left their old nemesis behind.

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Unread post by T-Dog » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:25 pm

No former Big XII school is going back. Nebraska makes to much money in the Big Ten not only through the Big Ten Network but the academic research alliance. Mizzou and Texas A&M are about to hit more paydirt with the SEC Network and getting full conference shares. Colorado is too much of an academic fit in the Pac-12 to go back.

BYU is likely to be one of the two and certainly believes it. They have logistical issues such as their own TV network and rescheduling a score of football games if they're to go in starting 2017.

Writers believe Cincy is the other team based on logistics, giving West Virginia a local rival and being the best of a bunch of mediocre candidates.

The Big 12 said "2 or 4" because, IMO, they know who the top 2 are, but there are 2 more who they are interested in. Wouldn't be surprised if UConn is one of them. Geography in the major negative, but that wasn't listed one of the factors by the Big XII. Academically, they're the best candidate. Football might be a negative, but basketball isn't.

After that, you have a number of candidates (Memphis, Houston, UCF, USF, etc) who are at best second or third in their own media market, are not the best academically and just aren't to that standard.

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Unread post by AppOrange » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:42 am

For us, its about consistently winning and staying relevant . . . let those W's pile up and we will be just fine!
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Unread post by MtnDevil95 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:46 am

According to Mike & Mike this morning (Greeny specifically) BYU and Houston are the frontrunners. He had the Big12 Commish on, but I had to go into work before the interview, so am not sure what (if anything) was revealed, or indicated there. I still would be surprised by Houston. While they have built the pedigree in recent years, much like I do not think there will ever be a 5th NC school join the ACC, I don't see another Texas school in the Big12.
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Unread post by EastHallApp » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:49 am

MtnDevil95 wrote:According to Mike & Mike this morning (Greeny specifically) BYU and Houston are the frontrunners. He had the Big12 Commish on, but I had to go into work before the interview, so am not sure what (if anything) was revealed, or indicated there. I still would be surprised by Houston. While they have built the pedigree in recent years, much like I do not think there will ever be a 5th NC school join the ACC, I don't see another Texas school in the Big12.
Saw that on the crawl on TV - I believe the source was a poll of Big XII football coaches.

Interesting to see the support for Houston from coaches, though I don't know how much weight their opinions carry here.

ETA: Here's the story: http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... poll-shows

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Unread post by APPdiesel » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:30 pm

I'd be willing to guess Houston is a #2 choice. With Texas, T-Tech, TCU, and Baylor the Big12 doesn't really need the University of Houston to carry the Houston market. They'd love to have a quality program and a market they don't currently cover (like a BYU if they're willing to play Sunday games in Olympic sports) and a Memphis (because FedEx has pledged uh-TON of money)...and if one of those doesn't work out Houston.
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Unread post by MtnMan09 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:16 pm

The ole pirates are lobbying hard.

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Huge travel costs for non revenue sports but I guess they are having to go to TX and OK already anyway. Wont ever happen for them and I do feel bad. Worked so hard to get that Big East invite only to have it and the BCS automatic system implode around them.

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Unread post by TheMoody1 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:02 pm

East Carolina Director of Athletics Jeff Compher: “I believe strongly East Carolina deserves to be in the Big 12 as we can deliver the entire state of North Carolina"

Delusional? :lol:

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Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:03 pm

TheMoody1 wrote:East Carolina Director of Athletics Jeff Compher: “I believe strongly East Carolina deserves to be in the Big 12 as we can deliver the entire state of North Carolina"

Delusional? :lol:
With the caveat that they would bring only football fandom because they would still be loyal to UNC basketball.

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