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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by vegattk » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:29 pm

AppinVA wrote:Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board. :roll:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
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Unread post by PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:33 pm

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AppinVA wrote:Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board. :roll:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
not to split hairs but john thomas was the chancellor when moore 1st came on board. :mrgreen:

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Re: Statement from Chancellor Peacock

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PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:well..as many of you would find it hard to believe, im not on one side more than the other. but why was this done early on a sunday morning? why not let the dust settle so to speak? if coach new...he obviously wasnt saying anything and was supposedly going to nyc that day. why the early morning rush? just a simple question which would like a simple reply without saying i, along with others need to let it go. there's nothing i can do anyhow but i'm naturally curious...im a gemini.
I'm not an expert on the time line, but I think it was said on early Sunday morning because Coach Moore had already starting talking about "next year" to the media immediately after game on Saturday night. Cobb felt he had to get this out there to counteract what Coach Moore had started saying.

There has been so much said, by so many people, that anyone should feel free to cite sources to either support or refute what I just said.
probably right about that. and why didn't CC have a transition conversation with JM during the year? Sounds like really bad communication. Thats what gets me about this whole thing, its like they spoke LAST year and haven't bumped into each other since.

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by appgrad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:46 pm

vegattk wrote:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
Right on cue. Amazing that Jason Hunter, Jermaine LIttle and Brandon Turner miraculously all re-appeared on the team, and amazing that we suddenly went farther in the playoffs than we had gone in 5 seasons...yup, all lucky coincidences for Cobb. Funny how our basketball team had it's best regular season EVER a year later, and our baseball and soccer programs both improved dramatically while he was there. That guy has all the luck.

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

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and did laney hire moore or jim graham?

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by vegattk » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:51 pm

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vegattk wrote:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
Right on cue. Amazing that Jason Hunter, Jermaine LIttle and Brandon Turner miraculously all re-appeared on the team, and amazing that we suddenly went farther in the playoffs than we had gone in 5 seasons...yup, all lucky coincidences for Cobb. Funny how our basketball team had it's best regular season EVER a year later, and our baseball and soccer programs both improved dramatically while he was there. That guy has all the luck.
So were they going to quit? Were Hunter, Little & Turner going to leave if Laney stuck around? Did Cobb sit down, hold their hands and tell them all was going to be okay?

Didn't we switch offenses in 2004? Was Cobb around then? Seems to me that it was the playcalling on the offensive side of the ball that got us farther in the playoffs... not the man sitting in the AD office.

How's basketball now? Seems to me we were stagnate at BB and then made some really dumb coaching moves afterwards..

We were able to keep the baseball coach that got us playing well again? Seems to me he jumped ship to another team recently...

You see... it's the coaches and players, not the bureaucrats that bring in the wins...

It's like saying my dean is responsible for my students passing my classes...
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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:01 pm

Peacock and Cobb sure do have tough jobs. Some people give them credit for nothing that happens positive and all the blame for things that go wrong.

Charlie was interviewed today on 730AM and stated that him and Coach Moore have talked daily. This witch hunt should end soon as it appears the fans are 10x more emotional about this than the parties involved.

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by AppinVA » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:11 pm

vegattk wrote:
AppinVA wrote:Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board. :roll:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
I didn't say it was because, though, yes, it did play a part. Lameley wanted to keep things small, because he didnt want to do more work than the bare minumum, even at the expense of JM and the rest of the athletics department.

And, mark my words, Obama will still be blaming Bush in 2016.
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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by appgrad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:17 pm

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So were they going to quit? Were Hunter, Little & Turner going to leave if Laney stuck around? Did Cobb sit down, hold their hands and tell them all was going to be okay?

Didn't we switch offenses in 2004? Was Cobb around then? Seems to me that it was the playcalling on the offensive side of the ball that got us farther in the playoffs... not the man sitting in the AD office.

How's basketball now? Seems to me we were stagnate at BB and then made some really dumb coaching moves afterwards..

We were able to keep the baseball coach that got us playing well again? Seems to me he jumped ship to another team recently...

You see... it's the coaches and players, not the bureaucrats that bring in the wins...

It's like saying my dean is responsible for my students passing my classes...
Hunter, Little and Turner were all either ineligible or suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules before Cobb got there. Maybe you don't remember, but we were at a point then that if a player had either of those happen to him - he was usually never heard from again as far as playing football. It was a running joke on the MMB whenever Moore would mention that someone might be back. Suddenly - Little and Turner were given "one last chance" and Hunter stayed in school and got eligible.

Don't be obtuse - you think our baseball team is as good as it was last year with that debacle of a field we had on the hill behind KBS? We didn't even have permanent stands! Yes - he didn't hire Pollard - but he got a superb cold weather stadium built, with an indoor batting range (which we didn't have), and the ability to play home games before the 20th game of the season. Facilities matter.

You do bring up a great point - he did keep Pollard around. Before that, any non-scholarship coach (with the exception of Weaver) who was worth his salt was gone after a season or 2...we went thru 3 soccer coaches in 3 years while I was there. Cobb supported those programs with facilities, increased scholarship funding, etc.

He gave our football team a third bus to travel in - and that matters. The only time Laney did that was when a drunk plowed headlong into a support staff van and incinerated it. It was back to 2 after that year. Cobb had them staying in better hotels, eating better food, etc. He even allowed them to travel to places like Greenville the day before the game, as opposed to the day of like a high school team. Those things matter to coaches and players...we don't realize it...but things like that on the road can make the difference between winning and losing.

You're right - the players play and the coaches coach...but like with any experiment, you have the control, and the variable. What was different in "05? It wasn't the coaching staff, it largely wasn't the players. Also - before then - were our coaches given money to travel to places like Utah and WVU to learn from Urban Meyer and RichRod? They weren't. Where do you think we learned the spread option? If you think we ran the same offense in '05 as we did in '04, you're wrong. We ran the Air Raid in '04 and had no running game. We ran the WVU Spread in '05 with Richie getting 900yds rushing and KR over 1400.

Another example - our video coordinator got fully digital, modern, facilities and is now a full-time employee. Before Cobb, he worked part-time, made about 18k a year to put in around 80 hours a week during football season, and had to work another job on campus to feed his family.

I'll even submit that we had more talented teams than '05 in both '00 and '95 and we didn't get as far. What changed? What got us over the hump - what enabled us to win a semifinal and National Title game almost completely without our starting QB?

Leaders create environments - there was an expectation of winning - there was support for that expectation too. You think it all just happens on the field - but there is so much more that goes into it. We don't do what we did without Cobb - hell, the interim AD even gave Moore a schedule so tough, it was designed to run him off! Cobb took that off his shoulders with a contract extension 7 games into the season. Is all of that luck?

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by AppinVA » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:32 pm

Well said, appgrad. You know the difference between Jerry Moore and some of these folks? Jerry Moore knows that Jerry Moore doesn't walk on water.
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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by vegattk » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:33 pm

appgrad wrote:
vegattk wrote:
So were they going to quit? Were Hunter, Little & Turner going to leave if Laney stuck around? Did Cobb sit down, hold their hands and tell them all was going to be okay?

Didn't we switch offenses in 2004? Was Cobb around then? Seems to me that it was the playcalling on the offensive side of the ball that got us farther in the playoffs... not the man sitting in the AD office.

How's basketball now? Seems to me we were stagnate at BB and then made some really dumb coaching moves afterwards..

We were able to keep the baseball coach that got us playing well again? Seems to me he jumped ship to another team recently...

You see... it's the coaches and players, not the bureaucrats that bring in the wins...

It's like saying my dean is responsible for my students passing my classes...
Hunter, Little and Turner were all either ineligible or suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules before Cobb got there. Maybe you don't remember, but we were at a point then that if a player had either of those happen to him - he was usually never heard from again as far as playing football. It was a running joke on the MMB whenever Moore would mention that someone might be back. Suddenly - Little and Turner were given "one last chance" and Hunter stayed in school and got eligible.

Don't be obtuse - you think our baseball team is as good as it was last year with that debacle of a field we had on the hill behind KBS? We didn't even have permanent stands! Yes - he didn't hire Pollard - but he got a superb cold weather stadium built, with an indoor batting range (which we didn't have), and the ability to play home games before the 20th game of the season. Facilities matter.

You do bring up a great point - he did keep Pollard around. Before that, any non-scholarship coach (with the exception of Weaver) who was worth his salt was gone after a season or 2...we went thru 3 soccer coaches in 3 years while I was there. Cobb supported those programs with facilities, increased scholarship funding, etc.

He gave our football team a third bus to travel in - and that matters. The only time Laney did that was when a drunk plowed headlong into a support staff van and incinerated it. It was back to 2 after that year. Cobb had them staying in better hotels, eating better food, etc. He even allowed them to travel to places like Greenville the day before the game, as opposed to the day of like a high school team. Those things matter to coaches and players...we don't realize it...but things like that on the road can make the difference between winning and losing.

You're right - the players play and the coaches coach...but like with any experiment, you have the control, and the variable. What was different in "05? It wasn't the coaching staff, it largely wasn't the players. Also - before then - were our coaches given money to travel to places like Utah and WVU to learn from Urban Meyer and RichRod? They weren't. Where do you think we learned the spread option? If you think we ran the same offense in '05 as we did in '04, you're wrong. We ran the Air Raid in '04 and had no running game. We ran the WVU Spread in '05 with Richie getting 900yds rushing and KR over 1400.

Another example - our video coordinator got fully digital, modern, facilities and is now a full-time employee. Before Cobb, he worked part-time, made about 18k a year to put in around 80 hours a week during football season, and had to work another job on campus to feed his family.

I'll even submit that we had more talented teams than '05 in both '00 and '95 and we didn't get as far. What changed? What got us over the hump - what enabled us to win a semifinal and National Title game almost completely without our starting QB?

Leaders create environments - there was an expectation of winning - there was support for that expectation too. You think it all just happens on the field - but there is so much more that goes into it. We don't do what we did without Cobb - hell, the interim AD even gave Moore a schedule so tough, it was designed to run him off! Cobb took that off his shoulders with a contract extension 7 games into the season. Is all of that luck?
Type much?

I will be the first to admit that it takes a team to win.. But your placing of Cobb on some sort of golden throne is completely ludicrous.

You might say that Peacock was behind the new diggs, after all, he wouldn't have the budget without the guy on top letting hm have the reins.

Was Moore not expected to win before Cobb?

I guess the biggest question is this... Do you believe our run at three national championships was because of Moore.. Or Cobb..

If you ask me it was 90% Moore and his staff and players with less than 10% going to your golden boy.
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:42 pm

A national championship run requires many, many, many varibles to fall into place. Peacock, Cobb, Moore, Satt, Elloitt, 8 other coaches, 100+ players, and the ball bouncing the right way more than once led to the first title.

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Unread post by PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:03 pm

AppinVA wrote:
vegattk wrote:
AppinVA wrote:Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board. :roll:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
I didn't say it was because, though, yes, it did play a part. Lameley wanted to keep things small, because he didnt want to do more work than the bare minumum, even at the expense of JM and the rest of the athletics department.

And, mark my words, Obama will still be blaming Bush in 2016.

no...that will be president clinton's job when she's elected in '16

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by AppinVA » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:10 pm

PBR1893-BEER-HAT-GUY wrote:
AppinVA wrote:
vegattk wrote:
AppinVA wrote:Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board. :roll:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
I didn't say it was because, though, yes, it did play a part. Lameley wanted to keep things small, because he didnt want to do more work than the bare minumum, even at the expense of JM and the rest of the athletics department.

And, mark my words, Obama will still be blaming Bush in 2016.

no...that will be president clinton's job when she's elected in '16
Oh, I'm sure they'll try.
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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

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no...that will be president clinton's job when she's elected in '16
please... no.

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:27 pm

vegattk wrote:
AppinVA wrote:Help me here. Charlie Cobb was hired in 2008, after JM had won the titles, beaten Michigan and ran the big Bulldozer that leveled the ground for the Athletics Center? No, wait. Cobb came in 2005, after the highly successful career of Roachel Laney. Moore was sooooooo successful under Laney and Borkowski that we've sucked ever since they came on board. :roll:
This is such an idiotic argument... It's like saying Obama should have fixed our economy the day he took office..

Cobb didn't help recruit the team that won in 2005... Cobb didn't coach anyone on that team. Certainly he opened some pretty nice doors for us fans to enjoy on game day.. But for God's sake you can't say that it was because of Cobb that we won the three titles...

The man came into the job at the perfect time and the stars aligned....
Isn't this what happens to a lot of coaches/ad's? The stars have to align. There has to be talent to win. Recruiting has more to do with wins than coaching IMO. There are exceptions I'm sure. If this were not the case then why did we win 3 NC's back to back to back and none since? We happen to have the athletes to come through here during that period. Was Jerry Moore a better coach those 3 years than the rest of his 21 years coaching here? No. He was the same.
We need to hit the recruiting trails like a mad dog again!

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by appgrad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:34 pm

AppGrad1 wrote:
Isn't this what happens to a lot of coaches/ad's? The stars have to align. There has to be talent to win. Recruiting has more to do with wins than coaching IMO. There are exceptions I'm sure. If this were not the case then why did we win 3 NC's back to back to back and none since? We happen to have the athletes to come through here during that period. Was Jerry Moore a better coach those 3 years than the rest of his 21 years coaching here? No. He was the same.
We need to hit the recruiting trails like a mad dog again!
I don't know - overall, we've put more players in the NFL in the last 3 years than we probably have in any of 3 year period before. That's only individuals, of course - but it seems like we've all been pleased with our recruiting lately, it just hasn't manifested in more Ws. That's a coaching issue to me...you want to talk perfect storm...Best finally leaving, and SS, Elliott and Galloway coming together to run our offense. That's a perfect storm.

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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by sonsofyosef » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:44 pm

Moore also said that he doesn’t know the reasoning behind the decision, and that he is bothered by that.

“All I really wanted was an answer,” said Moore, 73. “Tell me I’m not doing a good job, tell me I’m too old or something. Just tell me something. Then it got to the word ‘they.’ ‘They think it’s time.’ I don’t know who the ‘they’ is, and I don’t know what ‘it’s time’ means.”

Is Coach asking too much? Has he earned the right to be told the reasoning behind the decision?

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Re: COBB SHOULD BE ASHAMED

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Gbolick wrote:Charlie Cobb did not hire Capel (Mark Harrill did).
Nobody is hired in the athletic department without CC's approval.
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Re: Jerry Moore will not return

Unread post by WataugaMan » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:58 am

"no...that will be president clinton's job when she's elected in '16"

Like Marlon Brando said, "the horror, the horror"

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