Run the table just for kicks discussion

[AppSt94]

So let's say we have six bowl eligible teams. Assuming we are 11-1, can the Sun Belt release us to go to better bowl? It would behoove the conference to get as much exposure as possible.

[AppDawg]

So let's say we have six bowl eligible teams. Assuming we are 11-1, can the Sun Belt release us to go to better bowl? It would behoove the conference to get as much exposure as possible.

I agree. This is where I was going with my prior post.

[mtd Security]

If we run the table for an 11-1 record. Loss would be Tennessee in OT.
1. Win SunBelt
2. Ranked in Top 25
3. Ranking would be 20th at best I would say. Tennessee is not that good. Sunbelt is just plain terrible. Sunbelt possible the worst conference in the FBS.
4. Probably the best we can hopeful after not beating Tennessee is the R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl.
5. Houston losses 2 games, Boise St losses 2 games. Maybe then and only then an at large bit for a bowl games against a major conference team. Not New Year Day, Not playoffs. We lost to Tennessee so those are out.
6. Still an 11-1 Record with the schedule we have this would possibly be out best season ever. Better than any of our Championship FCS teams.
7. Our Recruiting is getting better. However, even an undefeated season probably would not bring up Playoffs. Maybe New Years Day Bowl, but there is no room for any errors. Even with a 12-0 record.

[bigdaddyg]

If we run the table for an 11-1 record. Loss would be Tennessee in OT.
1. Win SunBelt
2. Ranked in Top 25
3. Ranking would be 20th at best I would say. Tennessee is not that good. Sunbelt is just plain terrible. Sunbelt possible the worst conference in the FBS.
4. Probably the best we can hopeful after not beating Tennessee is the R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl.
5. Houston losses 2 games, Boise St losses 2 games. Maybe then and only then an at large bit for a bowl games against a major conference team. Not New Year Day, Not playoffs. We lost to Tennessee so those are out.
6. Still an 11-1 Record with the schedule we have this would possibly be out best season ever. Better than any of our Championship FCS teams.
7. Our Recruiting is getting better. However, even an undefeated season probably would not bring up Playoffs. Maybe New Years Day Bowl, but there is no room for any errors. Even with a 12-0 record.

Buzz kill.

[proasu89]

I think we should focus on getting our first win.

Fans don't have to focus.

[bigdaddyg]

I think we should focus on getting our first win.

Fans don't have to focus.

That's right. We can just type stupid crap and speculate. Just having fun!

[EastHallApp]

So let's say we have six bowl eligible teams. Assuming we are 11-1, can the Sun Belt release us to go to better bowl? It would behoove the conference to get as much exposure as possible.

The conference is under contract with those five bowls. The bowls get to select the team of their choosing. How would it work for the conference to unilaterally "release" us from that contract?

[bigdaddyg]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

[AppinVA]

So let's say we have six bowl eligible teams. Assuming we are 11-1, can the Sun Belt release us to go to better bowl? It would behoove the conference to get as much exposure as possible.

The conference is under contract with those five bowls. The bowls get to select the team of their choosing. How would it work for the conference to unilaterally "release" us from that contract?

The answer is, it wouldn't. Unless we get in a NY 6 bowl, we know we will be in one of five locations at the end of the year. That's what the contracts state, and those are the terms we will meet.

[AppinVA]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

It's probably better for the conference to live up to its end of the deals it signed. I like speculative talk as much as the next guy, but other than a NY6 bowl, everything else is pointless. Quite frankly, i see it doing more harm than good in the end.

[WVAPPeer]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

It's probably better for the conference to live up to its end of the deals it signed. I like speculative talk as much as the next guy, but other than a NY6 bowl, everything else is pointless. Quite frankly, i see it doing more harm than good in the end.

Sorry I don't see where it is doing more harm - we are only inquiring whether or not the SunBelt has the option of releasing a team for another bowl --- we aren't suggesting anything other than following procedures in place - What if the SB has 6+ teams bowl eligible and they were to in theory allowed release "an APP" to play up for more money and then one of the SB bowls could then take a team much closer by --- wouldn't that be a PLUS+PLUS for everyone? ---

[bigdaddyg]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

It's probably better for the conference to live up to its end of the deals it signed. I like speculative talk as much as the next guy, but other than a NY6 bowl, everything else is pointless. Quite frankly, i see it doing more harm than good in the end.

Sorry I don't see where it is doing more harm - we are only inquiring whether or not the SunBelt has the option of releasing a team for another bowl --- we aren't suggesting anything other than following procedures in place - What if the SB has 6+ teams bowl eligible and they were to in theory allowed release "an APP" to play up for more money and then one of the SB bowls could then take a team much closer by --- wouldn't that be a PLUS+PLUS for everyone? ---

Agree. And I'm pretty sure that none of us "football experts" are on any bowl committee. Geez.

[EastHallApp]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

It's probably better for the conference to live up to its end of the deals it signed. I like speculative talk as much as the next guy, but other than a NY6 bowl, everything else is pointless. Quite frankly, i see it doing more harm than good in the end.

Sorry I don't see where it is doing more harm - we are only inquiring whether or not the SunBelt has the option of releasing a team for another bowl --- we aren't suggesting anything other than following procedures in place - What if the SB has 6+ teams bowl eligible and they were to in theory allowed release "an APP" to play up for more money and then one of the SB bowls could then take a team much closer by --- wouldn't that be a PLUS+PLUS for everyone? ---

The Sun Belt bowls can take any eligible Sun Belt team they want. There is no need for the league to "release" anyone for that to happen. If NOLA wants to pass on an 11-1 App in favor of a 6-6 ULL, they are absolutely free to do so. That is NOT the same as the Sun Belt somehow telling its primary tie-ins they are not allowed to select App - which, unless there's some clause I've never heard of, they cannot do under the terms of their contract anyway.

[EastHallApp]

So let's say we have six bowl eligible teams. Assuming we are 11-1, can the Sun Belt release us to go to better bowl? It would behoove the conference to get as much exposure as possible.

The conference is under contract with those five bowls. The bowls get to select the team of their choosing. How would it work for the conference to unilaterally "release" us from that contract?

The answer is, it wouldn't. Unless we get in a NY 6 bowl, we know we will be in one of five locations at the end of the year. That's what the contracts state, and those are the terms we will meet.

Exactly. I feel like there's a lot of confusion about how the bowl system works, and these are all the same questions we answered last year. I'm hoping it's just a function of this whole bowl thing being new to App and our fans.

[AppinVA]

Don't know what I did to earn a "gheez", but okay, if that's how were playing, I get to respond in kind. I'll spell it out for you. We are c-o-n-t-r-a-c-t-e-d to be selected by one of five bowls, u-n-l-e-s-s we qualify for the NY6 bowl or CFP game. Just because we have a great season (we're still winless, by the way), doesn't mean we get to usurp our o-b-l-I-g-a-t-I-o-n-s to our contract. Do you think that New Orleans or Mobile will gladly get out of the way, because we think we are too good for their bowls? Hell, no. Ask Loseranna Tech how that worked out for them a few years ago. They stayed home at 8-3, because they held out for a bowl bid that never came, and because they didn't want to play a team from the Sun Belt. They got their Just deserves. I'm sure the bowls affiliated with Right Twix (CUSA) didn't want to invite them the next year, but they did, because the contract dictated it.

Now, how will this talk do more harm than good, you ask? You had your hopes up that on the strength of an 11-1 record, bowls like the Outback or Belk would be knocking themselves over to invite App State from the Sun Belt, because they're 11-1. Besides being in contracts of their own, bowls don't care about records like that. They care about who will consistently bring crowds that will fill hotel rooms and restaurants. We aren't proven to do that yet. Had a good showing in Montgomery, but they don't know if that's a constant or a one-off. Now, if I'm right, and I'm right, by the way, how excited are you to go to a SBC contract bowl? Me, I can't wait, but you don't feel as jazzed, because you have already admitted to seeing our bowls as below the 11-1 season we are 11 games from achieving.

[WVAPPeer]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

It's probably better for the conference to live up to its end of the deals it signed. I like speculative talk as much as the next guy, but other than a NY6 bowl, everything else is pointless. Quite frankly, i see it doing more harm than good in the end.

Sorry I don't see where it is doing more harm - we are only inquiring whether or not the SunBelt has the option of releasing a team for another bowl --- we aren't suggesting anything other than following procedures in place - What if the SB has 6+ teams bowl eligible and they were to in theory allowed release "an APP" to play up for more money and then one of the SB bowls could then take a team much closer by --- wouldn't that be a PLUS+PLUS for everyone? ---

The Sun Belt bowls can take any eligible Sun Belt team they want. There is no need for the league to "release" anyone for that to happen. If NOLA wants to pass on an 11-1 App in favor of a 6-6 ULL, they are absolutely free to do so. That is NOT the same as the Sun Belt somehow telling its primary tie-ins they are not allowed to select App - which, unless there's some clause I've never heard of, they cannot do under the terms of their contract anyway.

Sorry - I didn't make my point clear --- I understand all you just said - the scenario I am laying out is that the SB has more teams bowl eligible teams than SB tie-in spots - wouldn't it be a plus for everyone if the SB says - OK APP you are free to choose another bowl if that is your choice and then they backfill say USA (say they are the last bowl eligible with the least wins) into the game in Mobile, thereby helping the SB bowl by giving them a local team and the entire conference sharing the additional money APP could bring in from a more lucrative bowl game --- Don't know if this is even possible, which goes back to my very first question in this thread ---

[EastHallApp]

Theoretically isn't it better for the conference financially for a member to play in a more lucrative bowl?

It's probably better for the conference to live up to its end of the deals it signed. I like speculative talk as much as the next guy, but other than a NY6 bowl, everything else is pointless. Quite frankly, i see it doing more harm than good in the end.

Sorry I don't see where it is doing more harm - we are only inquiring whether or not the SunBelt has the option of releasing a team for another bowl --- we aren't suggesting anything other than following procedures in place - What if the SB has 6+ teams bowl eligible and they were to in theory allowed release "an APP" to play up for more money and then one of the SB bowls could then take a team much closer by --- wouldn't that be a PLUS+PLUS for everyone? ---

The Sun Belt bowls can take any eligible Sun Belt team they want. There is no need for the league to "release" anyone for that to happen. If NOLA wants to pass on an 11-1 App in favor of a 6-6 ULL, they are absolutely free to do so. That is NOT the same as the Sun Belt somehow telling its primary tie-ins they are not allowed to select App - which, unless there's some clause I've never heard of, they cannot do under the terms of their contract anyway.

Sorry - I didn't make my point clear --- I understand all you just said - the scenario I am laying out is that the SB has more teams bowl eligible teams than SB tie-in spots - wouldn't it be a plus for everyone if the SB says - OK APP you are free to choose another bowl if that is your choice and then they backfill say USA (say they are the last bowl eligible with the least wins) into the game in Mobile, thereby helping the SB bowl by giving them a local team and the entire conference sharing the additional money APP could bring in from a more lucrative bowl game --- Don't know if this is even possible, which goes back to my very first question in this thread ---

Theretically, sure, that could happen if all five Sun Belt bowls decided to voluntarily pass on the best team in the league. But why would they do that?

And again, if they DID all pass on, say, an 11-1 conference champion, let's all understand what kind of bowl we WOULD be going to. It wouldn't be the Belk, or the Citrus, or the Outback, or the Alamo. It wouldn't even be the Music City, or the Liberty, or the Pinstripe. The bowls that can't fill their spots with primary tie-ins are the other bottom-tier ones, where we'd be playing a middle-of-the-pack G5 or, at best, a 6-6 P5. Not really any step up from our primary tie-ins.

[WVAPPeer]

Again - not what I am asking - Prior to any picks by any SB bowls THE SUNBELT CONFERENCE gives APP a waiver - is that possible?

[EastHallApp]

Again - not what I am asking - Prior to any picks by any SB bowls THE SUNBELT CONFERENCE gives APP a waiver - is that possible?

No. What you are describing is one party voiding a contract without the agreement of the other party.

[bigdaddyg]

All of this kind of reinforces a couple of things:

1. For football we are in a crappy conference
2. Unless we go unbeaten and knock off a heavyweight we have no chance of going to a premier bowl
3. When you get right down to it there might not be a huge difference between 11-1 and 8-4. We can drop games to UT and the U and even Akron then 1 in conference and still win the Belt then still end up in the same bowl?