Akron 9/24 @3:30

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:15 pm

Scared? - Hell no !!! - Why would any of us be scared? - We all hope we play better and most of us expect we will - Honestly, all that matters now is to win the SunBelt - anything else is gravy - a win over Akron would be fine, a loss - so what? - If Cox isn't 100% I would not play him, give him another week to heal - I'm not sure where some of you have gotten your info about Akron - Against VMI, beginning the 4th quarter the score was 26-24 and for the game VMI put up right at 400 yards of total offense - Marshall had almost 600 yards of total offense - Wisconsin, a much better opponent, put up 600 yards as well ---

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:36 pm

WVAPPeer wrote: - Honestly, all that matters now is to win the SunBelt - anything else is gravy - a win over Akron would be fine, a loss - so what?

Well, if we think the team was too hyped for Miami, guess we could try the opposite extreme. "Hey guys, let's go out there and win this ball game! Or not, whatever, take it or leave it..."

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:55 pm

Speaking of Marshall. I bet very few teams have scored over 60 one week and gave up over 60 the next

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:24 pm

You know, easthall, there is a huge difference in what I post as a black and white basic statement and what I would say to my team as a coach...get it?

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:28 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:You know, easthall, there is a huge difference in what I post as a black and white basic statement and what I would say to my team as a coach...get it?

OK... I assume what you post here is the honest version. Mostly just ribbing you a little, but I can't quite agree with "if we lose, so what?"

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:46 pm

It is a basic fact...not how I feel...it will have no effect on hopefully our bowl destination unless we lose 3 more games after that. Even winning the SB championship doesn't insure us of being the top pick with the SB tie-ins...

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:24 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:It is a basic fact...not how I feel...it will have no effect on hopefully our bowl destination unless we lose 3 more games after that. Even winning the SB championship doesn't insure us of being the top pick with the SB tie-ins...

Understood. I just think winning is good for winning's sake, regardless of bowl destination. Would be nice to have a second consecutive 10-win season, for one.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:28 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:It is a basic fact...not how I feel...it will have no effect on hopefully our bowl destination unless we lose 3 more games after that. Even winning the SB championship doesn't insure us of being the top pick with the SB tie-ins...
Understood. I just think winning is good for winning's sake, regardless of bowl destination. Would be nice to have a second consecutive 10-win season, for one.

Absolutely...

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:34 pm

This game will be the best gauge of how we'll fair in the SBC as Akron would be a top half SBC team.

Can we pass the pass and play prepared on defense.

Yosef84 · Unread post by **Yosef84** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:22 am

Longrifle28 wrote:In looking a little bit at Akron, they destroyed VMI 47-24, lost to an average Wisconsin team 54-10, and destroyed an untested Marshall team 65-38.

They like to pass the ball and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a hurry up offense this weekend. The are a little undisciplined with 34 penalties in 3 games. Not sure about the Marshall game as Marshall outgained them in total yardage, but Marshall had 4 turnovers and 17 penalties for 180 yards (Marshall was their own worst enemy).

Seems to me that we will need to run the ball (and be able to throw) to control the clock. Our defense will need to find their manhood. We have to get pressure on the QB and stop the pass. Beyond fundamentals, for God's sake line up in a formation and be prepared for a hurry up offense. Don't give up big plays. Don't look like a deer in the headlight, hit and wrap up. Simple...

Lost to an "average" Wisconsin team that is ranked 10th/11th (depending on the poll).

This should be a legit G5 test but I have to think we will match up a lot better than Marshall did. I completely agree that we will run the ball and control that clock....at least that will be the game plan. We still aren't going to see the long down-field throws that everyone seems to want to see although probably a better mix of short passes than against ODU.

Hopefully we can get pressure on the QB. If App is focused and executes (hopefully better than the past game and a half), we should handle this game. Akron has shown no evidence of a great D. Even VMI scored 24 on them.

WVAPPeer · Unread post by **WVAPPeer** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:46 am

from my earlier post ---
" I'm not sure where some of you have gotten your info about Akron - Against VMI, beginning the 4th quarter the score was 26-24 and for the game VMI put up right at 400 yards of total offense - Marshall had almost 600 yards of total offense - Wisconsin, a much better opponent, put up 600 yards as well ---"

WataugaMan · Unread post by **WataugaMan** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:23 am

WVAPPeer wrote:from my earlier post ---
" I'm not sure where some of you have gotten your info about Akron - Against VMI, beginning the 4th quarter the score was 26-24 and for the game VMI put up right at 400 yards of total offense - Marshall had almost 600 yards of total offense - Wisconsin, a much better opponent, put up 600 yards as well ---"

In addition, some are putting to much emphasis on their performance against Marshall. Marshall isn't the team of "yesteryear" when Randy Moss was there. I'd put them at about the same level as a middle of the pack SB team.

kreed5120 · Unread post by **kreed5120** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:05 am

WVAPPeer wrote:Scared? - Hell no !!! - Why would any of us be scared? - We all hope we play better and most of us expect we will - Honestly, all that matters now is to win the SunBelt - anything else is gravy - a win over Akron would be fine, a loss - so what? - If Cox isn't 100% I would not play him, give him another week to heal - I'm not sure where some of you have gotten your info about Akron - Against VMI, beginning the 4th quarter the score was 26-24 and for the game VMI put up right at 400 yards of total offense - Marshall had almost 600 yards of total offense - Wisconsin, a much better opponent, put up 600 yards as well ---

Akron certainly isn't the defensive juggernaut that it was last season, but I feel it is better than what you are giving it credit for. Sure they give up a lot of yards, but that's because the defense is always on the field. I'm counting 2 defensive touchdowns and 1 special teams touchdown. I'm also seeing drives where Akron's offense went 80 yrds in 1:13, 63 yards in 0:59, 63 yards in 1:58, 64 yards in 0:24.

Akron held VMI to 1.9ypc and Marshall to 3.0ypc. Wisconsin shredded Akron's D for 5.4ypc and 292 rushing yards total. The key to the game is how well Akron can contain App State run game. If Akron can force App State into passing situations I feel Akron wins. If App State averages 5.0+ypc on 40+ attempts I feel they win.

Overall I'm looking forward to this game. Safe travels to any of you making this trip.

hapapp · Unread post by **hapapp** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:08 am

They are averaging 40 points a game but giving up 39. Against Wisconsin they only managed 10 points. I would be severely disappointed if our defense gave up the number of points that VMI and Marshall did. They clearly have a more productive offense than we have to this point but defensively we are significantly better than they are. I would think we should be able to gain plenty of yards and score plenty of points. The key may be taking care of the ball. Akron was very opportunistic in the game with Marshall. Something like 28 points either directly or indirectly resulted from Marshall turnovers.

Longrifle28 · Unread post by **Longrifle28** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:39 am

Yosef84 wrote:
Longrifle28 wrote:In looking a little bit at Akron, they destroyed VMI 47-24, lost to an average Wisconsin team 54-10, and destroyed an untested Marshall team 65-38.

They like to pass the ball and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a hurry up offense this weekend. The are a little undisciplined with 34 penalties in 3 games. Not sure about the Marshall game as Marshall outgained them in total yardage, but Marshall had 4 turnovers and 17 penalties for 180 yards (Marshall was their own worst enemy).

Seems to me that we will need to run the ball (and be able to throw) to control the clock. Our defense will need to find their manhood. We have to get pressure on the QB and stop the pass. Beyond fundamentals, for God's sake line up in a formation and be prepared for a hurry up offense. Don't give up big plays. Don't look like a deer in the headlight, hit and wrap up. Simple...
Lost to an "average" Wisconsin team that is ranked 10th/11th (depending on the poll).

This should be a legit G5 test but I have to think we will match up a lot better than Marshall did. I completely agree that we will run the ball and control that clock....at least that will be the game plan. We still aren't going to see the long down-field throws that everyone seems to want to see although probably a better mix of short passes than against ODU.

Hopefully we can get pressure on the QB. If App is focused and executes (hopefully better than the past game and a half), we should handle this game. Akron has shown no evidence of a great D. Even VMI scored 24 on them.

I stated average because of the outcome against their last game with Georgia State. I agree about the pressure from the defense, we got no pressure on the Miami QB. Pressure is the DB's best friend. I think we have shown we can run the ball on anybody. A good running game controls the game and wears down the opposing defense. I agree about the downfield throws and don't want to see them unless they are open. With Lambs arm and smarts we should have a good short to medium passing game and should be able to go over the top occasionally with play action.

kreed5120 · Unread post by **kreed5120** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:07 am

hapapp wrote:They are averaging 40 points a game but giving up 39. Against Wisconsin they only managed 10 points. I would be severely disappointed if our defense gave up the number of points that VMI and Marshall did. They clearly have a more productive offense than we have to this point but defensively we are significantly better than they are. I would think we should be able to gain plenty of yards and score plenty of points. The key may be taking care of the ball. Akron was very opportunistic in the game with Marshall. Something like 28 points either directly or indirectly resulted from Marshall turnovers.

Akron's games are high scoring because they run a fast uptempo offense which leads to more possessions for each team. Against VMI and Marshall it led to us scoring a large sum of points. Against Wisconsin we ended up with a lot of quick 3 and outs. In each game our opponent has won the time of possession battle by a sizable margin. When your opponent is on the field for 38 minutes a game they will put up a lot of points and yards. Of note 14 of Marshall's points came off of 1 fumble and 1 blocked punt. Penalties on another drive gave Marshall 3 1st downs including a roughing the passer after a 3rd down stop.

App State should win the time of possession battle this week, but that shouldn't be a factor in this game as Akron will be losing that battle pretty much all season. They will need to find ways of disrupting Woodson so he can't hit his playmakers deep downfield.

ukappfan · Unread post by **ukappfan** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:49 am

kreed5120 wrote:
hapapp wrote:They are averaging 40 points a game but giving up 39. Against Wisconsin they only managed 10 points. I would be severely disappointed if our defense gave up the number of points that VMI and Marshall did. They clearly have a more productive offense than we have to this point but defensively we are significantly better than they are. I would think we should be able to gain plenty of yards and score plenty of points. The key may be taking care of the ball. Akron was very opportunistic in the game with Marshall. Something like 28 points either directly or indirectly resulted from Marshall turnovers.
Akron's games are high scoring because they run a fast uptempo offense which leads to more possessions for each team. Against VMI and Marshall it led to us scoring a large sum of points. Against Wisconsin we ended up with a lot of quick 3 and outs. In each game our opponent has won the time of possession battle by a sizable margin. When your opponent is on the field for 38 minutes a game they will put up a lot of points and yards. Of note 14 of Marshall's points came off of 1 fumble and 1 blocked punt. Penalties on another drive gave Marshall 3 1st downs including a roughing the passer after a 3rd down stop.

App State should win the time of possession battle this week, but that shouldn't be a factor in this game as Akron will be losing that battle pretty much all season. They will need to find ways of disrupting Woodson so he can't hit his playmakers deep downfield.

The last part is what concerns me. Our corners got burned against Miami, granted they were crazy fast.

SpeedkingATL · Unread post by **SpeedkingATL** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:24 pm

Can Akron stop/slow App's running game and force them to the air....and can App stop/slow down Akron's air attack. Take out the 80 yard run and App played Miami's run game well...but the secondary got torched both by poor defensive alignment and by the deep ball to speedy receivers.
App certainly knows what they need to work on and Akron will certainly try to take advantage of what Miami did.

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:27 pm

WataugaMan wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:from my earlier post ---
" I'm not sure where some of you have gotten your info about Akron - Against VMI, beginning the 4th quarter the score was 26-24 and for the game VMI put up right at 400 yards of total offense - Marshall had almost 600 yards of total offense - Wisconsin, a much better opponent, put up 600 yards as well ---"
In addition, some are putting to much emphasis on their performance against Marshall. Marshall isn't the team of "yesteryear" when Randy Moss was there. I'd put them at about the same level as a middle of the pack SB team.

Don't know how good they are this year, but they won 33 games the previous three seasons. If they're as bad as you think, that would be a pretty big dropoff that not many people expected before the season.

Rekdiver · Unread post by **Rekdiver** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:45 pm

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