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by AppinATL » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:02 am
Kgfish wrote:cbarrier90 wrote:Kgfish wrote:I remain disappointed and upset with Cobb's blatant manipulation of the process. Unless I come to find that Scott was duplicit in the arrangement he will have my support. I only hope Scott is up to the task. It is never easy to follow a legend, especially from the same staff. Most experts say you want to be the guy who follows the guy who followed the legend. For Christmas my wish is the next hire to takes place is the one that carries Charlie Cobb out of Boone. Far, far out of Boone. Preferrably to Hawaii or somewhere else 1000 miles away.
If you want Charlie gone, it should be for ruining the basketball program, not this. Satterfield hasn't even coached a game yet.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
It has nothing to do with Scott and EVERYTHING to do with the process. Come on guys focus......
I thought you were departing.
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by AppinATL » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:06 am
appstate77 wrote:Geez, this place is becoming as bad as appfan....Is there nowhere safe to go and discuss ASU athletics?
Probably not...too many jagoffs with personal vendettas. We are finally at a point where the anti-Moore people can be quiet and now we jump right into a loudmouth with a thing for Charlie Cobb. This site needs an ignore button in the worst way.
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by appst89 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:22 am
AppinATL wrote:This site needs an ignore button in the worst way.
Add the poster to your foes list and you will not see any posts from them. Same as ignore, just a different name.
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by Gonzo » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:32 am
We saw this coming, guys. If you're just now getting all pissy and throwing Cobb under the bus, that means you didn't expect this, and thus, are completely clueless about the process. I'm with cbarrier saying if Cobb should be fired, it's for hiring Capel, not parting with Moore or hiring SS. If Georgia Southern goes SunBelt without us, that's when Cobb will and should lose his job.
I think our offense will be phenomenal this coming year under an unbridled Scott Satterfield, but I worry that another year of Jones will make a final FCS national championship impossible.
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by asumike83 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:36 am
I have my issues with the hiring process but I do like Satterfield. He is a great offensive mind, an Appalachian man and a fine recruiter. Our football program is in good hands, let's hope we can say the same thing about our basketball program sooner than later.
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by AppinATL » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:48 am
asumike83 wrote:I have my issues with the hiring process but I do like Satterfield. He is a great offensive mind, an Appalachian man and a fine recruiter. Our football program is in good hands, let's hope we can say the same thing about our basketball program sooner than later.
No question...once Charlie gets the conference thing done, his attention needs to turn 100% to getting the basketball program back to where we are competitive again. I refuse to believe the only two people who can be successfull at ASU are Bobby Cremmins and He-who-shall-remain-nameless. There's got to be somebody out there who can rebuild this program.
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by SpeedkingATL » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:53 am
Does anyone on here actually know what the process was??? Was a professional Search Firm hired??? There are only a few that specialize in this arena, Parker in Atlanta being one and if they were hired they would have had a pretty good idea of potential candidates within 48 hours. I expect CC told the Search Firm that App has a strong internal candidate and would like to campare him against outside candidates. The Search Firm only presents and vets the candidates, it's up to the client to make the actual decision and hire.
I do fault CC for giving Assistant Coaches multi-year contracts which likely thinned the pool of candidates for the Head Coaching position and also handcuffs SS to some degree. I expect that is something that Jerry Moore convinced CC to do out of loyaity to his staff and knowing that the big change was coming sooner rather than later. That was the biggest barrier to a different decision on the Head Coach search.
All that said; go get em Scott!
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by JTApps1 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:59 am
Maybe Kgfish has a point that we should be concerned about the process being used. I think most people are fine with Scott being the head coach, but what if the choice had been another Capel or Buzz type hire? Just because the result is what you wanted doesn't mean the process was performed correctly. Maybe that's not the way it went down, but it sure appears Scott was the choice all along. If so they should have just named him HC two weeks ago and not wasted anyone's time. I'm sure a lot of Mountaineer fans would have been less stressed lately.
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by asumike83 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:09 am
AppinATL wrote:asumike83 wrote:I have my issues with the hiring process but I do like Satterfield. He is a great offensive mind, an Appalachian man and a fine recruiter. Our football program is in good hands, let's hope we can say the same thing about our basketball program sooner than later.
No question...once Charlie gets the conference thing done, his attention needs to turn 100% to getting the basketball program back to where we are competitive again. I refuse to believe the only two people who can be successfull at ASU are Bobby Cremmins and He-who-shall-remain-nameless. There's got to be somebody out there who can rebuild this program.
Agreed. Hell, the final 5 years of the Houston Fancher era (88-67, 52-36 SoCon) don't seem so bad anymore.
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by asumike83 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:17 am
With Mario Cristobal recently being fired from FIU, I looked into his track record and found this very interesting:
3 seasons before SS: 9-27, 7-15 Sun Belt
2 seaons with SS: 15-11, 11-5 Sun Belt
1 season after SS: 3-9, 2-6 Sun Belt
He won 3 more games in the 2 years that SS was his OC than he did in the other 4 combined. Of course, I'm sure there were other contributing factors but I doubt it is purely a coincidence.
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by Gonzo » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:20 am
asumike83 wrote:With Mario Cristobal recently being fired from FIU, I looked into his track record and found this very interesting:
3 seasons before SS: 9-27, 7-15 Sun Belt
2 seaons with SS: 15-11, 11-5 Sun Belt
1 season after SS: 3-9, 2-6 Sun Belt
He won 3 more games in the 2 years that SS was his OC than he did in the other 4 combined. Of course, I'm sure there were other contributing factors but I doubt it is purely a coincidence.
Any idea what other coaches came and went during that period?
You're right though. There is absolutely some causation there.
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by AppinATL » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:23 am
JTApps1 wrote:Maybe Kgfish has a point that we should be concerned about the process being used. I think most people are fine with Scott being the head coach, but what if the choice had been another Capel or Buzz type hire? Just because the result is what you wanted doesn't mean the process was performed correctly. Maybe that's not the way it went down, but it sure appears Scott was the choice all along. If so they should have just named him HC two weeks ago and not wasted anyone's time. I'm sure a lot of Mountaineer fans would have been less stressed lately.
I don't believe Charlie is a stupid man. I'm sure he's learned his lesson with the Capel hire and will resign before allowing himself to be put in that position again. I don't believe for one minute Capel was his choice anyway. Anybody remember that press conference? I have never seen a less enthusiastic introduction made by an AD in a situation like that.
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by kiddbrewer » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:31 am
Just curious...
Rivals reports that Cobb interviewed 5 people interested in the HC job, including Satterfield, Horton, etc....
A group of posters on this board claim to be omnipotent by stating that this was a done deal the moment Satterfield stepped on campus last year. To be honest, I believed this too.
A portion of the above group demand that Cobb be fired or has lost all respect for Cobb (some have included Satterfield due to his part of the cover up) because Cobb has said publicly that the coaching search will be a national search and Satterfield was not guaranteed the HC position. I am not part of this group.
So, if this scenario of Satterfield truly was the coach in waiting is true and so obvious, how could the other 4 candidates not see this and just politely excuse themselves from consideration? Those of us on this board with little to no experience/knowledge on the inner workings of Appalachian Athletics were able to see this conspiracy, why can't those who do have experience/knowledge not see it?
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by Coloradoneer » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:38 am
People let's get on with our lives. I think Horton was probably the better hire on paper. That being said, Sattdaddy was probably the best fit for the situation at this time. We got people happy with the outcome but still pitching a fit about the process. Even if this was an inside job (which I am okay with), you still have to following a process (whatever that may be, truly a national search or not). And come on, it's not like Saban was one of the candidates.
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by JCline0429 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:15 am
asumike83 wrote:AppinATL wrote:asumike83 wrote:I have my issues with the hiring process but I do like Satterfield. He is a great offensive mind, an Appalachian man and a fine recruiter. Our football program is in good hands, let's hope we can say the same thing about our basketball program sooner than later.
No question...once Charlie gets the conference thing done, his attention needs to turn 100% to getting the basketball program back to where we are competitive again. I refuse to believe the only two people who can be successfull at ASU are Bobby Cremmins and He-who-shall-remain-nameless. There's got to be somebody out there who can rebuild this program.
Agreed. Hell, the final 5 years of the Houston Fancher era (88-67, 52-36 SoCon) don't seem so bad anymore.
Not bad, but still not where we wanted to be. It does look like Cobb could have hired better than his predecessor.
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by huskie3 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:22 am
People using the two week period (12/2 - 12/14) for the hiring process I think are being shorsighted. Remember, Cobb told JM in December of 2011 this would be his last year. I think Cobb was doing evaluations of possible coaches this whole time. I realize he would not be able to talk with them, but surely he was compiling a list of candidates and talking with their agents.
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by ASUchipman » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:41 am
I am glad that this process is over. What I look forward to now is seeing this staff get out on the recruiting trail. I know that Satterfield is an offensive minded coach, but I hope he works on the defense. The Covington kid from Charlotte is a great start.
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by goapps93 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:02 pm
JTApps1 wrote:Maybe Kgfish has a point that we should be concerned about the process being used. I think most people are fine with Scott being the head coach, but what if the choice had been another Capel or Buzz type hire? Just because the result is what you wanted doesn't mean the process was performed correctly. Maybe that's not the way it went down, but it sure appears Scott was the choice all along. If so they should have just named him HC two weeks ago and not wasted anyone's time. I'm sure a lot of Mountaineer fans would have been less stressed lately.
And that's a better process? That would have been the absolute worst way to go about it. I'm sure CC did have Scott as the frontrunner before an announcement was ever. There is nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time. Bosses often know who they want to hire before interviews take place and they pretty much have to be blown out of the water by an unanticipated canditate to change their mind. Maybe Horton didn't blow it out of the water, maybe the bar was too high since CC appears to have wanted Scott anyway, we don't know. All of these accusations and criticism of Cobb are being thrown around based on nothing but perceived beliefs. Sheesh, talk about a flawed process, yeah, let's call for someone's job because we assume something out of sorts happened. Applications were accepted, interviews were conducted, a choice was made. What more could have been done to show that there were other candidates besides Scott? My guess is nothing that would have satisfied the Cobb naysayers.
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by Watauga72 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:14 pm
Honest question....is the head coach considered a state job? If so, there are strict guidelines on job postings (length of time, etc.) that would have prevented Cobb from announcing Satterfield immediately without going through the correct process. Have no direct knowledge of the process (just like everyone else on this board) but I have to believe that Cobb knows this hire will be receive close scrutiny given the break with Moore. He would be a fool to ignore hiring guidelines...and please, no ridiculous insults on Cobb's integrity or intelligence. Really don't want this to become Appfan 2.0.
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by hapapp » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:18 pm
Gonzo wrote:asumike83 wrote:With Mario Cristobal recently being fired from FIU, I looked into his track record and found this very interesting:
3 seasons before SS: 9-27, 7-15 Sun Belt
2 seaons with SS: 15-11, 11-5 Sun Belt
1 season after SS: 3-9, 2-6 Sun Belt
He won 3 more games in the 2 years that SS was his OC than he did in the other 4 combined. Of course, I'm sure there were other contributing factors but I doubt it is purely a coincidence.
Any idea what other coaches came and went during that period?
You're right though. There is absolutely some
causation there.
Or is it correlation?