Sun Belt/Mtn West

[Yosefus]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

[CVAPP]

Glad you did not post this on another board, unless you did.

[Yosefus]

No I don't post on other boards and not much on this one

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

Once you get past the first/top few teams in really any G5 conference, the competition drops greatly. So I do agree with that part. I think it takes even more for us to make a NY6 game than it does Boise or any contender from AAC. Two loss Boise or Houston would get the nod before a one loss App State team. I don't like it, but the Sun Belt still doesn't get much love as a whole. I do think if our conference plays well out of conference then our wins against those teams during conference play become better wins. I would hold off on the NY6 talk for awhile. Doubt it happens next year and who knows what the Post-Lamb era will hold. Enjoy the off season, and if you can make it up the mountain to support the basketball team. Certain you will find a good seat.

[EastHallApp]

Well, couple things. First off, Boise was in the WAC for a good part of that stretch, and they haven't even played in the MWC title game the past two years. So it's debatable how much they've really dominated that league.

Secondly, the Mountain West used to be tougher than it is now. Remember a few years ago it also included Utah, BYU and TCU.

Finally, Boise routinely beats P5s. Until we at least beat a couple, we won't be seen as comparable to them.

[huskie3]

Boise down 14-3 to Baylor right now, can not seem to punch it.

[Yosef10]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

Once you get past the first/top few teams in really any G5 conference, the competition drops greatly. So I do agree with that part. I think it takes even more for us to make a NY6 game than it does Boise or any contender from AAC. Two loss Boise or Houston would get the nod before a one loss App State team. I don't like it, but the Sun Belt still doesn't get much love as a whole. I do think if our conference plays well out of conference then our wins against those teams during conference play become better wins. I would hold off on the NY6 talk for awhile. Doubt it happens next year and who knows what the Post-Lamb era will hold. Enjoy the off season, and if you can make it up the mountain to support the basketball team. Certain you will find a good seat.

I agree with pretty much all you said here save for one thing. I think we control our destiny in 2017 in regards to the NY6 game. I'm not expecting much out of the AAC with all their coaching turnover at the top. We have pretty much the entire offense coming back, of course Parker will be a loss but I think we have the talent to reload there. On defense we lose a couple but I'm optimistic with the talent we have to backfill. If, and a big if, we take down UGA I could see us running the table and playing on New Year's Day. We've really put ourselves in a nice position after these last 2 years.

[Rick83]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

Once you get past the first/top few teams in really any G5 conference, the competition drops greatly. So I do agree with that part. I think it takes even more for us to make a NY6 game than it does Boise or any contender from AAC. Two loss Boise or Houston would get the nod before a one loss App State team. I don't like it, but the Sun Belt still doesn't get much love as a whole. I do think if our conference plays well out of conference then our wins against those teams during conference play become better wins. I would hold off on the NY6 talk for awhile. Doubt it happens next year and who knows what the Post-Lamb era will hold. Enjoy the off season, and if you can make it up the mountain to support the basketball team. Certain you will find a good seat.

I agree with pretty much all you said here save for one thing. I think we control our destiny in 2017 in regards to the NY6 game. I'm not expecting much out of the AAC with all their coaching turnover at the top. We have pretty much the entire offense coming back, of course Parker will be a loss but I think we have the talent to reload there. On defense we lose a couple but I'm optimistic with the talent we have to backfill. If, and a big if, we take down UGA I could see us running the table and playing on New Year's Day. We've really put ourselves in a nice position after these last 2 years.

I agree Yosef10, IF we beat UGA and run the table including Wake, who's stature has just improved with their bowl victory, and depending on how the other quality G5 teams do of course, but I think it's in our control but we've got to win out...just like Western Michigan did this year.

[MtnMan09]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

Once you get past the first/top few teams in really any G5 conference, the competition drops greatly. So I do agree with that part. I think it takes even more for us to make a NY6 game than it does Boise or any contender from AAC. Two loss Boise or Houston would get the nod before a one loss App State team. I don't like it, but the Sun Belt still doesn't get much love as a whole. I do think if our conference plays well out of conference then our wins against those teams during conference play become better wins. I would hold off on the NY6 talk for awhile. Doubt it happens next year and who knows what the Post-Lamb era will hold. Enjoy the off season, and if you can make it up the mountain to support the basketball team. Certain you will find a good seat.

I agree with pretty much all you said here save for one thing. I think we control our destiny in 2017 in regards to the NY6 game. I'm not expecting much out of the AAC with all their coaching turnover at the top. We have pretty much the entire offense coming back, of course Parker will be a loss but I think we have the talent to reload there. On defense we lose a couple but I'm optimistic with the talent we have to backfill. If, and a big if, we take down UGA I could see us running the table and playing on New Year's Day. We've really put ourselves in a nice position after these last 2 years.

I agree Yosef10, IF we beat UGA and run the table including Wake, who's stature has just improved with their bowl victory, and depending on how the other quality G5 teams do of course, but I think it's in our control but we've got to win out...just like Western Michigan did this year.

It took more than just winning out for Western Michigan. They had to rely on a Navy meltdown in their title game because the committee primed to jump them ahead of WMU. That is not controlling your own destiny and that is EXACTLY they type of scenario App will be looking at if we ever make in into NY6 discussions. On that note, I don't think we are close to NY6 ready yet. We got molly wopped by Miami and have not beat a P5 since 2007. We routinely blow ourselves up a little more than we should. Until we beat some big boys we wont be in those discussions.

[Rick83]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

Once you get past the first/top few teams in really any G5 conference, the competition drops greatly. So I do agree with that part. I think it takes even more for us to make a NY6 game than it does Boise or any contender from AAC. Two loss Boise or Houston would get the nod before a one loss App State team. I don't like it, but the Sun Belt still doesn't get much love as a whole. I do think if our conference plays well out of conference then our wins against those teams during conference play become better wins. I would hold off on the NY6 talk for awhile. Doubt it happens next year and who knows what the Post-Lamb era will hold. Enjoy the off season, and if you can make it up the mountain to support the basketball team. Certain you will find a good seat.

I agree with pretty much all you said here save for one thing. I think we control our destiny in 2017 in regards to the NY6 game. I'm not expecting much out of the AAC with all their coaching turnover at the top. We have pretty much the entire offense coming back, of course Parker will be a loss but I think we have the talent to reload there. On defense we lose a couple but I'm optimistic with the talent we have to backfill. If, and a big if, we take down UGA I could see us running the table and playing on New Year's Day. We've really put ourselves in a nice position after these last 2 years.

I agree Yosef10, IF we beat UGA and run the table including Wake, who's stature has just improved with their bowl victory, and depending on how the other quality G5 teams do of course, but I think it's in our control but we've got to win out...just like Western Michigan did this year.

It took more than just winning out for Western Michigan. They had to rely on a Navy meltdown in their title game because the committee primed to jump them ahead of WMU. That is not controlling your own destiny and that is EXACTLY they type of scenario App will be looking at if we ever make in into NY6 discussions. On that note, I don't think we are close to NY6 ready yet. We got molly wopped by Miami and have not beat a P5 since 2007. We routinely blow ourselves up a little more than we should. Until we beat some big boys we wont be in those discussions.

If we win out in 2017, then that would include wins over 2 P5 teams, and as I stated, it would also depend on what the other quality G5 teams do. And for a reality check here, just being included in a national discussion about App being included in a NY6 bowl in our 4th FBS (3rd full eligibility year) would be huge for the program...even if we're not selected.

[Yosefus]

That's right if we run the table we are at least in the conversation. 11-1 or 6-6 record is back to Camellia Bowl. Not a bad position either way but fun to talk about

[Yosef10]

I just saw preview for Boise St vs Baylor bowl. Boise is playing for the 11th win for the 11th time in 15 seasons. It hit me that the Sun Belt could become to App St the same as Mtn West is to Boise St. What I mean is once you get passed the first few teams the Mtn West is no different than the Sun Belt. If I am not mistaken our last 3 seasons aren't much different than Boise St win for win. We just need to continue on the current pace and will be top 25 and NY 6 contenders real soon. Next Year maybe? Comments?

Once you get past the first/top few teams in really any G5 conference, the competition drops greatly. So I do agree with that part. I think it takes even more for us to make a NY6 game than it does Boise or any contender from AAC. Two loss Boise or Houston would get the nod before a one loss App State team. I don't like it, but the Sun Belt still doesn't get much love as a whole. I do think if our conference plays well out of conference then our wins against those teams during conference play become better wins. I would hold off on the NY6 talk for awhile. Doubt it happens next year and who knows what the Post-Lamb era will hold. Enjoy the off season, and if you can make it up the mountain to support the basketball team. Certain you will find a good seat.

I agree with pretty much all you said here save for one thing. I think we control our destiny in 2017 in regards to the NY6 game. I'm not expecting much out of the AAC with all their coaching turnover at the top. We have pretty much the entire offense coming back, of course Parker will be a loss but I think we have the talent to reload there. On defense we lose a couple but I'm optimistic with the talent we have to backfill. If, and a big if, we take down UGA I could see us running the table and playing on New Year's Day. We've really put ourselves in a nice position after these last 2 years.

I agree Yosef10, IF we beat UGA and run the table including Wake, who's stature has just improved with their bowl victory, and depending on how the other quality G5 teams do of course, but I think it's in our control but we've got to win out...just like Western Michigan did this year.

It took more than just winning out for Western Michigan. They had to rely on a Navy meltdown in their title game because the committee primed to jump them ahead of WMU. That is not controlling your own destiny and that is EXACTLY they type of scenario App will be looking at if we ever make in into NY6 discussions. On that note, I don't think we are close to NY6 ready yet. We got molly wopped by Miami and have not beat a P5 since 2007. We routinely blow ourselves up a little more than we should. Until we beat some big boys we wont be in those discussions.

I hear ya MtnMan. I'm just not convinced the committee was going to jump WMU with Navy but I guess we'll never know. Also beating UGA and WFU would look like better wins than Illinois and Northwestern. So I do have think we control our own destiny but of course we'll have to see what others do. If we're the only undefeated G5 I think we make it. We may not be ready to compete with a P5 in a NY6 bowl game but I don't think we're not NY6 ready yet. To be NY6 ready you just have to be the best G5 team that year and I don't think we're far from that in 2017.

[moonshine]

I hear ya MtnMan. I'm just not convinced the committee was going to jump WMU with Navy but I guess we'll never know. Also beating UGA and WFU would look like better wins than Illinois and Northwestern. So I do have think we control our own destiny but of course we'll have to see what others do. If we're the only undefeated G5 I think we make it. We may not be ready to compete with a P5 in a NY6 bowl game but I don't think we're not NY6 ready yet. To be NY6 ready you just have to be the best G5 team that year and I don't think we're far from that in 2017.

While I agree UGA and WFU would most likely look more impressive, keep in mind WMU got to play the top teams in their conference and also won the conference title game. Something App won't have the luxury of doing in 2017 with no Sun Belt title game and no stAte or Troy on the schedule. It will take the stars aligning and probably a bunch of 3 loss teams for App to be NY6 next year.

[MtnMan09]

And I just think, coming out of the sunbelt, even if we win out its not "in our control" unfortunately. We have got to start beating P5s to really be a national commodity that gets serious consideration for NY6 or any game other than the Sunbelt bowls. Just like we talk about Ark State not being able to win OOC, I feel our success (rightly or wrongly) is looked at with an asterisk of sorts until we start to win those P5 games (or at least games against a ranked opponent). Its great, truly unbelievable, what we've been able to accomplish with the move up. My comments are not meant to degrade that in any way shape or form. I just don't think we can crow to loudly about our prowess as compared to those vying for NY6 until we do.

[Yosef10]

No I don't think you're degrading at all, realistic if anything. Shine, I will say, and I definitely could be wrong, but I just don't buy that the committee actually looks/cares if we/any G5 play the top teams in conference. I think they're so concerned with the P5 that for the G5 participant they just look to see what your record is, if you're a conference champ, and if you've beaten a P5 or 2 in that year. And you're right MtnMan, to get in a NY6 game we definitely have to win 1 P5 game, if not 2. The good thing is the committee only looks at the year at hand and not the past. I feel we have a better shot at winning the P5 games this year than in past, I thought we'd get blown out by both UT and UM. I get we haven't truly done anything yet but I think we have the returning starters and an influx of talent that will put us back at the shortlist of top G5 teams in the country and in play for the NY6, just gotta go win now.

[Rick83]

And I just think, coming out of the sunbelt, even if we win out its not "in our control" unfortunately. We have got to start beating P5s to really be a national commodity that gets serious consideration for NY6 or any game other than the Sunbelt bowls. Just like we talk about Ark State not being able to win OOC, I feel our success (rightly or wrongly) is looked at with an asterisk of sorts until we start to win those P5 games (or at least games against a ranked opponent). Its great, truly unbelievable, what we've been able to accomplish with the move up. My comments are not meant to degrade that in any way shape or form. I just don't think we can crow to loudly about our prowess as compared to those vying for NY6 until we do.

I'm not being argumentative here, but I'm curious why wins over ACC Wake and SEC Georgia (including running the rest of the table) wouldn't put us in that G5 NY6 league? If I remember correctly (and that's always suspect) but in the G5 this year didn't we have the toughest schedule except for Houston's? And we finished 10 & 3...so if we had an easier schedule (like Western Michigan's) we might have gone undefeated as well.

[EastHallApp]

That's right if we run the table we are at least in the conversation. 11-1 or 6-6 record is back to Camellia Bowl. Not a bad position either way but fun to talk about

I wouldn't assume that. Just because we've gone to Montgomery twice doesn't mean we'll go there every year from here on out.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

IF we beat UGA, Boone will need another Papa John's to prevent running out of pizza for the next home game.

[MtnMan09]

Think we are talking around each other. I think if we beat UGA and they have a good year we are in talks. I'm just saying I am not completely confident we can do that yet. I know we came close this year with UT but looking at our body of work we haven't been real close in P5 games otherwise in recent history. However, if Boise were to win at BYU and Wash State I fear that they would leap frog because of their history just as they would have done to Marshall a few years back (granted the almost undefeated Marshall didn't have a signature OOC win).

[bcoach]

IF we beat UGA, Boone will need another Papa John's to prevent running out of pizza for the next home game.

Did you look to see who we are playing?