QB play has to catch up
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QB play has to catch up
I will go ahead and start the firestorm right off the bat. Who are we most excited about to be the next quarterback? We could play 100 games against the Georgia's of the world and we would get exactly what we got at qb yesterday. 140 yards passing with no int's but no td's either. People keep pointing to all sorts of things that we need to do, but our defense played lights out again yesterday. We simply cannot move the ball through the air against good teams and when your qb is not a threat to break a play with his legs we are done. Let me also say, Lamb has been very serviceable and there is nothing against him personally (these debates always devolve into that) but the ceiling has been reached and yes we will beat most everyone on our schedule, but we aren't ever beating a good P5 team with him at the helm and it sucks because he's a good kid but he's reached his ceiling. So who do we want next?
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While I don't disagree with much of your post, I have to think if we had a better option we would play that option. Satterfield's job is to win games, not play favorites and I think he's very good at doing his job.
Taylor is a great game manager and while he doesn't provide the threat we'd like to have at QB, it's hard to argue for a different option as we just haven't really seen anyone else for meaningful time. Thomas looks good but he has 90 seconds under his belt against Georgia's second team defense.
I would argue yesterday's poor showing on offense wasn't Taylor's ineffectiveness as much as it was bad play calling. We started moving the ball when we began passing. Coaches may not have trusted new receivers but to win these types of games, we have to start trusting what we are recruiting.
Taylor is a great game manager and while he doesn't provide the threat we'd like to have at QB, it's hard to argue for a different option as we just haven't really seen anyone else for meaningful time. Thomas looks good but he has 90 seconds under his belt against Georgia's second team defense.
I would argue yesterday's poor showing on offense wasn't Taylor's ineffectiveness as much as it was bad play calling. We started moving the ball when we began passing. Coaches may not have trusted new receivers but to win these types of games, we have to start trusting what we are recruiting.
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Re: QB play has to catch up
Lamb is a great game manager and has made our transition to FBS about as painless as possible. He will rarely lose you a game but at the same time rarely win one by himself.
Overall we still need to continue to improve at WR. All in all we are fine. I attribute most of yesterday to play calling and the avalanche (21 quick points) anyways.
Overall we still need to continue to improve at WR. All in all we are fine. I attribute most of yesterday to play calling and the avalanche (21 quick points) anyways.
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I just don't understand how people are so blind to this. The playcalling is vanilla because the coaching staff doesn't trust lamb to throw the ball. He missed several throw even yesterday that while probably don't change the outcome may have changed it a bit. And the only real pass he completed down field Lewis saved him. The long run was great then he promptly takes a 30 yard sack essentially killing he drive. I just get frustrated, but I suppose that's what messsge boards are for.
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Nah, you being an asshole is not firestorm stuff.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 pmI will go ahead and start the firestorm right off the bat. Who are we most excited about to be the next quarterback? We could play 100 games against the Georgia's of the world and we would get exactly what we got at qb yesterday. 140 yards passing with no int's but no td's either. People keep pointing to all sorts of things that we need to do, but our defense played lights out again yesterday. We simply cannot move the ball through the air against good teams and when your qb is not a threat to break a play with his legs we are done. Let me also say, Lamb has been very serviceable and there is nothing against him personally (these debates always devolve into that) but the ceiling has been reached and yes we will beat most everyone on our schedule, but we aren't ever beating a good P5 team with him at the helm and it sucks because he's a good kid but he's reached his ceiling. So who do we want next?
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People aren't blind to it, But Lamb needs to be respected as our starting QB. He is a proven winner at our level of competition. Starting Thomas or Huesman at this point just because they have possibly a higher ceiling is premature. If Lamb struggled to win games against peer schools the argument would be different, but we've won 21 games over the last 2 seasons with him at the helm and I fully expect to win 10 more this year.
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Lamb is our QB for a reason, he's our best QB. Let's think this out, do you think Sat is not playing the better QB because he is loyal to Taylor? No, taylor is the best we have, end of discussion. We will win a lot of games this year. Georgia was better and we killed ourselves with stupid penalties at inopportunte times, including knocking out the poorer passer.
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A QB is generally only as good as his O line. W've seen the exception ,they are few and far between.
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When are you going to stop with your vendetta against this young man? Every post of your's I've seen since last night has been about how in your opinion he's not getting the job done. Give it a rest. He's been a winner in a big way for us for three years now. Your claim that he's not a threat with his legs is just absurd. He has run for over 500 yards the last two years and I have seen him use his legs quite effectively in many key situations.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 pmI will go ahead and start the firestorm right off the bat. Who are we most excited about to be the next quarterback? We could play 100 games against the Georgia's of the world and we would get exactly what we got at qb yesterday. 140 yards passing with no int's but no td's either. People keep pointing to all sorts of things that we need to do, but our defense played lights out again yesterday. We simply cannot move the ball through the air against good teams and when your qb is not a threat to break a play with his legs we are done. Let me also say, Lamb has been very serviceable and there is nothing against him personally (these debates always devolve into that) but the ceiling has been reached and yes we will beat most everyone on our schedule, but we aren't ever beating a good P5 team with him at the helm and it sucks because he's a good kid but he's reached his ceiling. So who do we want next?
I'm sorry he's not Armanti, and that his style of QB is not your cup of tea. Guess what? We are not likely to see another Armanti on our team for many years if ever. You guys that are constantly holding up our current QB, whoever that may be against Armanti are just not being realistic. Also, using the argument that he cant beat a P5 opponent is a cheap shot also. We have always played the very top tier programs. I'd love to see us play a Vandy or BC or Virginia some time instead of the LSU's, VaTech's, and Georgia's of the P5 world. Let's see how we do with Wake. And BTW, it was no fault of Lamb's that we didn't get the win at Tennessee last year. He put us in a great position to win that game. He didn't miss all those kicks and it wasn't him that couldn't seem to corral a couple of fumbles that could have iced the game for us.
Enough with your bitching. We are lucky to have this kid as a player and a person and it would not surprise me if he followed in Satterfield's footsteps and end up as our head coach sometime in the future.
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How am I being an asshole? But pretty good and intelligent response.CVAPP wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:51 pmNah, you being an asshole is not firestorm stuff.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:05 pmI will go ahead and start the firestorm right off the bat. Who are we most excited about to be the next quarterback? We could play 100 games against the Georgia's of the world and we would get exactly what we got at qb yesterday. 140 yards passing with no int's but no td's either. People keep pointing to all sorts of things that we need to do, but our defense played lights out again yesterday. We simply cannot move the ball through the air against good teams and when your qb is not a threat to break a play with his legs we are done. Let me also say, Lamb has been very serviceable and there is nothing against him personally (these debates always devolve into that) but the ceiling has been reached and yes we will beat most everyone on our schedule, but we aren't ever beating a good P5 team with him at the helm and it sucks because he's a good kid but he's reached his ceiling. So who do we want next?
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I didn't say anything about benching Lamb. I was speaking of next year. I don't know what this board is gonna do next year when lamb isn't our qb.
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We'll probably have to endure post after post from you bitching aboutwhoever our quarterback may be at the time, I guess.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:32 pmI didn't say anything about benching Lamb. I was speaking of next year. I don't know what this board is gonna do next year when lamb isn't our qb.
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AppinATL wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:39 pmWe'll probably have to endure post after post from you bitching aboutwhoever our quarterback may be at the time, I guess.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:32 pmI didn't say anything about benching Lamb. I was speaking of next year. I don't know what this board is gonna do next year when lamb isn't our qb.
HHahhahahhah. True. I'm not the sob I sound like I promise. I'm just frustrated with knowing before we even play the p5 games how the script is gonna go.
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I totally disagree with topic. If we had the 4 WRs who were out due to injury, I believe our offense would have been better able to stretch the field. You can't tell me Meadors would not have made some plays. Taylor CAN throw the ball, but since his sophomore year, his receivers have been pretty limited in terms of depth and talent. The penalties and the players who didn't dress kept us from making this a more competitive game.
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Let's complain about about a QB who was recruited as an FCS player and has facilitated one of the most successful FCS-FBS transitions in college football. You know, the same QB who lead us to become the first team to go to and win a bowl game in their first season of eligibility. The same QB that then lead us to another bowl game the next year so that we could become the ONLY team to go to and win TWO bowl games in their first two years of eligibility. Not to mention our conference championship and the fact that we have been receiving votes in the AP poll multiple times as a team in only their THIRD year of full FBS eligibility.
But in all reality we need to cut Lamb a break. Does he have the best arm? No, but he also hasn't had consistent receivers for the past couple of years. Just be patient, let us build up some true FBS WR recruits as well as some true FBS QB recruits. Change doesn't just happen over night and when it does it rarely stays that way.
But in all reality we need to cut Lamb a break. Does he have the best arm? No, but he also hasn't had consistent receivers for the past couple of years. Just be patient, let us build up some true FBS WR recruits as well as some true FBS QB recruits. Change doesn't just happen over night and when it does it rarely stays that way.
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I am sure that you aren't a SOB, but you are always the first one the try and spur debate when our offense looks shaky. If you were truly discussing for next year then that is a legitimate topic for debate, but not after a loss where the backup played 90 seconds of mop up duty. Let's wait and see how the season plays out. Oh, and I asked the question of who gives us the best chance to win now because that has been your response to all QB discussion.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:42 pmAppinATL wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:39 pmWe'll probably have to endure post after post from you bitching aboutwhoever our quarterback may be at the time, I guess.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:32 pmI didn't say anything about benching Lamb. I was speaking of next year. I don't know what this board is gonna do next year when lamb isn't our qb.
HHahhahahhah. True. I'm not the sob I sound like I promise. I'm just frustrated with knowing before we even play the p5 games how the script is gonna go.
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Well, OK, I'm with you on that. This "anyone, any time, anywhere" thing is a pile of crap in my opinion. Yes, its good for the program to go up against these elite programs every now and then. Good for exposure, good for recruiting. But how good is that exposure when the nation gets to see us get the crap pounded out of us every damn time. We need to start picking some of our P5 opponents with the idea in mind that it might be somebody we can actually compete with. I know the bigger the program, the bigger the payday and I know we need that. I'm just saying maybe if we're gonna schedule 2 P5's in a year, go for a payday with one and maybe a program boosting win with the other. And I know scheduling is an incredibly complicated thing on many levels, so I know what I'm saying is not as easy as that, but I wish we would at least try.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:42 pmAppinATL wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:39 pmWe'll probably have to endure post after post from you bitching aboutwhoever our quarterback may be at the time, I guess.Seattleapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:32 pmI didn't say anything about benching Lamb. I was speaking of next year. I don't know what this board is gonna do next year when lamb isn't our qb.
HHahhahahhah. True. I'm not the sob I sound like I promise. I'm just frustrated with knowing before we even play the p5 games how the script is gonna go.
And while I agree with you on this point, if that's your motivation, I wish you would find another way to express your frustration than to pick on a kid that is playing his heart out for us and producing.
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Re: QB play has to catch up
I definitely agree that Lamb limits our offense with his inability to throw downfield. But I also think that given his running ability and experience winning games, he's the best option on the current team.
As for the future, I am very excited about our commit Stephon Brown (if we can hold on to him). Dude actually has some arm strength and is basically the same size as Cam Newton (~20 pounds lighter). He's also enrolling in January which could give him ample time to get settled and win the job.
As for the future, I am very excited about our commit Stephon Brown (if we can hold on to him). Dude actually has some arm strength and is basically the same size as Cam Newton (~20 pounds lighter). He's also enrolling in January which could give him ample time to get settled and win the job.