Officials?

[NewApp]

I heard these were ACC officials as that was part of the deal we made. I saw a few times where the ball was snapped before their line was set, holdings that weren't called that resulted in huge holes, etc. I thought It was pretty bad. Now, we left points on the table we shouldn't have, but, the officiating was pretty terrible

I've also heard a discussion about the last penalty and whether the ref said "during the play" or "after the play".

The penalty on the last play was for running onto the field after the block. Clearly, it was after the play.

Yes, I don't disagree. I've just heard that some thought they heard the official say "during the play" which is obviously incorrect wording. If that's the case, it just adds to the fact that they weren't good.

But better than SoCon refs.

[APPRIDE]

I heard these were ACC officials as that was part of the deal we made. I saw a few times where the ball was snapped before their line was set, holdings that weren't called that resulted in huge holes, etc. I thought It was pretty bad. Now, we left points on the table we shouldn't have, but, the officiating was pretty terrible

I've also heard a discussion about the last penalty and whether the ref said "during the play" or "after the play".

The penalty on the last play was for running onto the field after the block. Clearly, it was after the play.

BUT, the Ref clearly said, over the stadium PA system, "during the play" when he made the initial call at which time he turned off the mic. I am 100% sure of this, someone prove me wrong? He may have corrected himself in a separate call a few seconds after that (I don't know but don't think he did) but he did not correct it during that 1st call. That is why there was so much confusion and some applause when he called the penalty.

It could have been during the play, but after the block. At that point, possession would have changed, kinda like on a punt.

OK, I see that makes sense. Learning something new on this one ...which is the fact that "during the play" doesn't necessarily mean "do over" if there is a change in possession.

but, as I type this my question is why is it an automatic change in position on a blocked field goal? If the field-goal is happening on second or third down, if we fell on the loose ball wouldn't it be our ball for another try? For instance on Cory's scoop and score he was allowed to advance it for a potential touchdown. Is the offense (kicking team) not allowed to fall on it to retain possession?

[hapapp]

I would assume it would be like a punt that is partially blocked. It would only be live for the kicking team if someone on the defense touched it in an effort to pick it up and then lost possession.

[SpeedkingATL]

All I will say on the subject is that SunBelt officials as so much better than SoCon officials that I can't complain too much. And I'll never forget how bad the FCS officials were for one of our FCS Championship games. At that game they would throw a flag, look around at each other, then huddle for 3 minutes before deciding what to call. If officials called every holding call, there would be no game at all. The officials on Saturday were okay, and got most of the important calls correct IMO.

[appst89]

I heard these were ACC officials as that was part of the deal we made. I saw a few times where the ball was snapped before their line was set, holdings that weren't called that resulted in huge holes, etc. I thought It was pretty bad. Now, we left points on the table we shouldn't have, but, the officiating was pretty terrible

I've also heard a discussion about the last penalty and whether the ref said "during the play" or "after the play".

The penalty on the last play was for running onto the field after the block. Clearly, it was after the play.

BUT, the Ref clearly said, over the stadium PA system, "during the play" when he made the initial call at which time he turned off the mic. I am 100% sure of this, someone prove me wrong? He may have corrected himself in a separate call a few seconds after that (I don't know but don't think he did) but he did not correct it during that 1st call. That is why there was so much confusion and some applause when he called the penalty.

It could have been during the play, but after the block. At that point, possession would have changed, kinda like on a punt.

OK, I see that makes sense. Learning something new on this one ...which is the fact that "during the play" doesn't necessarily mean "do over" if there is a change in possession.

but, as I type this my question is why is it an automatic change in position on a blocked field goal? If the field-goal is happening on second or third down, if we fell on the loose ball wouldn't it be our ball for another try? For instance on Cory's scoop and score he was allowed to advance it for a potential touchdown. Is the offense (kicking team) not allowed to fall on it to retain possession?

If the ball were still behind the line of scrimmage then we could have recovered and advanced it. It was beyond the line of scrimmage, so as Hapapp said, we could have only recovered then if the defense had touched the ball.

[Appstate10]

But better than SoCon refs.
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Definitely agree with you there!

I've also learned something new about that last penalty. That does make sense.

[APPRIDE]

The penalty on the last play was for running onto the field after the block. Clearly, it was after the play.

BUT, the Ref clearly said, over the stadium PA system, "during the play" when he made the initial call at which time he turned off the mic. I am 100% sure of this, someone prove me wrong? He may have corrected himself in a separate call a few seconds after that (I don't know but don't think he did) but he did not correct it during that 1st call. That is why there was so much confusion and some applause when he called the penalty.

It could have been during the play, but after the block. At that point, possession would have changed, kinda like on a punt.

OK, I see that makes sense. Learning something new on this one ...which is the fact that "during the play" doesn't necessarily mean "do over" if there is a change in possession.

but, as I type this my question is why is it an automatic change in position on a blocked field goal? If the field-goal is happening on second or third down, if we fell on the loose ball wouldn't it be our ball for another try? For instance on Cory's scoop and score he was allowed to advance it for a potential touchdown. Is the offense (kicking team) not allowed to fall on it to retain possession?

If the ball were still behind the line of scrimmage then we could have recovered and advanced it. It was beyond the line of scrimmage, so as Hapapp said, we could have only recovered then if the defense had touched the ball.

of course! good explanation, thanks

[Rick83]

The penalty on the last play was for running onto the field after the block. Clearly, it was after the play.

BUT, the Ref clearly said, over the stadium PA system, "during the play" when he made the initial call at which time he turned off the mic. I am 100% sure of this, someone prove me wrong? He may have corrected himself in a separate call a few seconds after that (I don't know but don't think he did) but he did not correct it during that 1st call. That is why there was so much confusion and some applause when he called the penalty.

It could have been during the play, but after the block. At that point, possession would have changed, kinda like on a punt.

OK, I see that makes sense. Learning something new on this one ...which is the fact that "during the play" doesn't necessarily mean "do over" if there is a change in possession.

but, as I type this my question is why is it an automatic change in position on a blocked field goal? If the field-goal is happening on second or third down, if we fell on the loose ball wouldn't it be our ball for another try? For instance on Cory's scoop and score he was allowed to advance it for a potential touchdown. Is the offense (kicking team) not allowed to fall on it to retain possession?

If the ball were still behind the line of scrimmage then we could have recovered and advanced it. It was beyond the line of scrimmage, so as Hapapp said, we could have only recovered then if the defense had touched the ball.

OK, but the defense did touch the ball...the block itself. So, if their players rushed the field prior to it being a dead ball (and I don't know if they did) and there was still time on the clock then seems like that's a penalty during the play, not after.

[appst89]

BUT, the Ref clearly said, over the stadium PA system, "during the play" when he made the initial call at which time he turned off the mic. I am 100% sure of this, someone prove me wrong? He may have corrected himself in a separate call a few seconds after that (I don't know but don't think he did) but he did not correct it during that 1st call. That is why there was so much confusion and some applause when he called the penalty.

It could have been during the play, but after the block. At that point, possession would have changed, kinda like on a punt.

OK, I see that makes sense. Learning something new on this one ...which is the fact that "during the play" doesn't necessarily mean "do over" if there is a change in possession.

but, as I type this my question is why is it an automatic change in position on a blocked field goal? If the field-goal is happening on second or third down, if we fell on the loose ball wouldn't it be our ball for another try? For instance on Cory's scoop and score he was allowed to advance it for a potential touchdown. Is the offense (kicking team) not allowed to fall on it to retain possession?

If the ball were still behind the line of scrimmage then we could have recovered and advanced it. It was beyond the line of scrimmage, so as Hapapp said, we could have only recovered then if the defense had touched the ball.

OK, but the defense did touch the ball...the block itself. So, if their players rushed the field prior to it being a dead ball (and I don't know if they did) and there was still time on the clock then seems like that's a penalty during the play, not after.

The blocked ball went beyond the line of scrimmage. At that point possession changed. The only way we get the ball back is if one of their players touches the ball once it has gone beyond the line of scrimmage. There was no way, at that point to get a do-over.

[proasu89]

The penalty on the last play was for running onto the field after the block. Clearly, it was after the play.

BUT, the Ref clearly said, over the stadium PA system, "during the play" when he made the initial call at which time he turned off the mic. I am 100% sure of this, someone prove me wrong? He may have corrected himself in a separate call a few seconds after that (I don't know but don't think he did) but he did not correct it during that 1st call. That is why there was so much confusion and some applause when he called the penalty.

It could have been during the play, but after the block. At that point, possession would have changed, kinda like on a punt.

OK, I see that makes sense. Learning something new on this one ...which is the fact that "during the play" doesn't necessarily mean "do over" if there is a change in possession.

but, as I type this my question is why is it an automatic change in position on a blocked field goal? If the field-goal is happening on second or third down, if we fell on the loose ball wouldn't it be our ball for another try? For instance on Cory's scoop and score he was allowed to advance it for a potential touchdown. Is the offense (kicking team) not allowed to fall on it to retain possession?

If the ball were still behind the line of scrimmage then we could have recovered and advanced it. It was beyond the line of scrimmage, so as Hapapp said, we could have only recovered then if the defense had touched the ball.

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