Foot Shooting

[WVAPPeer]

Now that I've seen it, I'm more made about the jet sweep call on 3rd and 2 to win the game than any of the penalties. I know we run it up the middle on 3rd/4th and short a lot, but it was working late in the game.

Yes, worst call I have seen in some time

[AppStateNews]

This GIF makes me think the call against Stout is even more ridiculous than I originally thought. The QB is hit on the hashes which is 20 yards from the sideline. Hayes looks to be in the middle of the sideline and the hashes, so roughly 10 yards away from the QB. Hayes looks to be at the 30 yard line. It is not absurd to think if taking the right angle, the QB could have gotten to Hayes. Now, to think about it during the play and realize "oh this is the QB, I have to let up.." Imagine if Stout didn't make that block and the QB did make the stop -- again, clearly possible after looking at the replay.

As a defensive player, you are taught on turnovers to find someone and take them out of the play legally. Stout did that 100%. That is what he has been taught since he started playing football.

Additionally, UMass AD did say the QB was never knocked out. He laid motionless and was taken to the hospital as a precaution. Likely due to the hit he had taken previously and the lack of time to check him out before this play.

[sixtoes9134]

There's no doubt in my mind this was a blown call by the officials. It was all the other wreckless penalties killed us.

[AppFan11]

Really a bad call. After reviewing the gif, one wonders if it’s the qb body reaction that caused the flag. You can see that the qb was running after Hayes. It also took 6 pts off the board. And it was definitely not a “cheap shot” like the UMass TE was saying in the post game interview.

[The Rock]

I don’t think the qb was out of bounds on that hit at all. If anything, it is simultaneous the first foot going out and the hit. Yes the qb slowed up just a step before, but he wasn’t sliding and he wasn’t out of bounds. You always play through the whistle, what if franklin had pulled up, and the qb jets past him for a td? The refs won’t call that back and say he had given himself up, so no Td...
That was a bad call, probably hard to see that in real time, but a bad call.
The call on the pick 6 was just plain terrible. Hope the officiating crew gets to review that and realize they screwed up

[YesAppCan]

Hit, whether penalty or not, wasn’t necessary for the successful return of the interception — not even close. Looks to me Stout chose to take an unnecessary shot on their player, happens to be QB.

[WVAPPeer]

There's no doubt in my mind this was a blown call by the officials. It was all the other wreckless penalties killed us.

Such as?

[sixtoes9134]

There's no doubt in my mind this was a blown call by the officials. It was all the other wreckless penalties killed us.

Such as?

Pretty sure we had 104 yards of penalties. So take away the call against Myquon and we are still above our season average.

[WVAPPeer]

True but in many games some penalties are a result of what the refs are looking for...didnt umass haveva similar number of penalties?

[AppSt94]

So here is a question for those that claim that we are undisciplined. Any idea how our penalties break down?

[sixtoes9134]

I'm not a stats guy, but I watch games in person at KBS, on the road when I can, and always on TV and I see things happen at the worst possible time in a game and it gets old.

[AppSt94]

Well yes. Very few penalties are a good thing for the team committing the infraction.

[T-Dog]

App State is 120th out of 130 FBS teams in fewest penalty yards give up per game at 73.75. Last in the Sun Belt.

App State is 114th out of 130 FBS teams in fewest penalties per game at 7.75. Second to last in the Sun Belt.

It would be worse if you take away the zero penalty performance versus Idaho.

Three games over 100 penalty yards, UGA, Savannah State and UMass.

We've had a penalty on an assistant coach the last two games.

It's a problem.

[WVAPPeer]

I agree 100% about penalties on assistant coaches - that is unacceptable ---

[AtlAppMan]

How can anyone on this board not recognize we have a problem with on field penalties? We WOULD BE 7-1 right now and WITH a closer game against UGA had we had significantly less penalties. That is a fourth element of the game. 80 yrds per game is hard to overcome. This has also been going on for years.

In the UMASS game the announcers even said we have a reputation for a lot of penalties. So some of this does come to be a self fulfilling situation. I agree some penalties are close and may not be the players fault but most are. Let's not make excuses. Both of these videos are examples of a ref making a legitimate call, maybe could have made a no call, but never the less, were well within reasonable to make those calls.

So bottomline, Satt needs to do something. Maybe call Coach Cutt and/or Urban Meyers, etc. and ask them how do they deal with these situations. Get some mentoring advice from some seasoned coaches that he trusts and address this situation once and for all. He has done a very good job with off field crap, now time to address on field stuff.

[WVAPPeer]

How can anyone on this board not recognize we have a problem with on field penalties? We WOULD BE 7-1 right now and WITH a closer game against UGA had we had significantly less penalties. That is a fourth element of the game. 80 yrds per game is hard to overcome. This has also been going on for years.

In the UMASS game the announcers even said we have a reputation for a lot of penalties. So some of this does come to be a self fulfilling situation. I agree some penalties are close and may not be the players fault but most are. Let's not make excuses. Both of these videos are examples of a ref making a legitimate call, maybe could have made a no call, but never the less, were well within reasonable to make those calls.

So bottomline, Satt needs to do something. Maybe call Coach Cutt and/or Urban Meyers, etc. and ask them how do they deal with these situations. Get some mentoring advice from some seasoned coaches that he trusts and address this situation once and for all. He has done a very good job with off field crap, now time to address on field stuff.

AGAIN --- what I am trying to differentiate is stupid penalties (late hit when player is clearly out of bounds) and penalties that are just part of the game subjective to the refs - Are you telling me the Ohio State offensive linemen don't hold or Alabama DBs don't pass interfere or the Clemson guys never jump offsides or have illegal procedure? -

[mike87]

What I like about this team, and App State in general, is Blue collar, play 100% through the whistle, expect to win no matter what the situation and never say die. All of those attributes, vs what I see when, for example, The Tarheels, take the field, say to me we are probably going to be penalized more. So all the hand-wringing about penalties is legit, but I'll take it as long as we have the attitude we have. My opinion.

[AtlAppMan]

AGAIN --- what I am trying to differentiate is stupid penalties (late hit when player is clearly out of bounds) and penalties that are just part of the game subjective to the refs - Are you telling me the Ohio State offensive linemen don't hold or Alabama DBs don't pass interfere or the Clemson guys never jump offsides or have illegal procedure? -

I don't think you and I are that far off in our opinions, if any. I know every good team has to push the limits of what is called and what is not. A little grabbing of jersey, holding, etc. is fine and part of the competitive edge as long as the player knows where to draw the line or is inconspicuous enough not to get caught. Every team you mentioned, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, however, have enough talent margin of error to usually overcome some penalties. For us, 80 yrds per game has been killing us. Stalling drives for our offense, extending drives for opponent, taking away pts from us, giving points to them. We don't have that luxury. That is the difference between App and the other examples you gave.

[Goapps15]

I will be in the minority but here it goes with a few takes.

The attitude towards last week's game started from the top. When your coach says playing a non conference game in the middle of the year "is what it is and we have to just deal with it," it doesn't give me a ton of confidence. I just didn't like the comment.

Another thing I have noticed. We are really missing the Parker Collins and John Laws of the world's on field leadership. Sometimes our guys look like they are disinterested and we don't have the same on field leadership that we have had.

Im not saying anything negative just how it has looked at times. I still trust the guys and our team to win each and every week. I know our coaches know more than us too. Just want to see the killer mentality come back.

[MtnDevil95]

2016 App State finished 62 out of 128 in penalties per game at 6.08
2016 App State finished 83 out of 128 in penalty yards per game at 57.69

This year's team seems to have gotten worse in getting the flag tossed, but this year's team is also younger and has much less experience. . . .it's not necessarily a sign of poor discipline.