NY Gov Gun Laws...

[AppinVA]

It is extremely hard to legislate morality.

Don't tell the fundamentals....

I''m pretty darn fundamental, some say right of right, yet in many ways lean towards the Libertarian. Judging by your comment I am assuming you are fairly liberal. I find it interesting liberals say they stand for freedom and the fundamentalist stand in the way of it. Liberals claim not being able to chose who they can marry or the ability to destroy a living fetus restricts their freedoms. They also want the government fund medical research and provide (free of charge) a cure for disease that was initially totally lifestyle behavior driven. They claim those are their rights as Americans. Liberals want it both ways and obviously stand in the way of many freedoms for others. They want to regulate the type of cars we drive, the energy we use, where our kids go to school, the types of foods we eat or drink and whether or not we can own certain fire arms. Those are clearly restrictions to freedoms of law abiding citizens. They just cleverly attempt to disguise it in terms of what is best for the environment and everyone in general in order to gain support from the segment of the American people who are poorly educated on those subjects.

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need.

[AppGrad1]

Ya know, I stopped doing homework assignments when I left ASU.
Are you trying to make a point with me saying that for some reason I think the government comes after citizens more than citizen murders????
I think we all know this. What is your point?

My point is:
I'm not in favor of restrictions on guns and magazines. It will not deter crimes.
Taking away even some rights opens the door for other rights to be taken away.
Question: Will the government give us our AR's and magazines back if they find out these killings didn't stop? The answer is of course not.

I will fight it tooth and nail. I write my Senators weekly and express my concerns.

I had a nice reply to this and for some reason it did not post. I guess I did not hit submit. Anyways I send something later.... but while you wait from today's news.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 27806.html

If I'm not mistaken it was not a mass shooting. It was 2 guys getting into a fight and it led to gunfire. Both shooters were shot several times. A custodian was also hit accidentally. I also believe this was in "another" "gun free zone". Not sure but I think pistols were involved not semi-auto rifles. If you check real close you will find other murders across the nation with weapons being used by thugs...

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

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As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need. [/quote]

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.

[AppinVA]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need. [/quote]

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.[/quote]

You know, you're right. I will call it what it is. Murdering fetuses.

Thanks for setting me straight.

[AppGrad1]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... tors-hand/

Wonder if the baby's hand is now a baby and the rest of it's body is a fetus?

[goapps93]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need. [/quote]

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.[/quote]

Why don't you ask a mother who has had a miscarriage whether she lost her baby or her fetus and what effect it has had and will continue to have on her life? This thread is now headed in a direction that will most likely shut it down but I had to comment on that. You can spin it however you want to but life begins at conception and people should take responsibility for that before they engage in the activity that leads to pregnancy. Yes, I realize that there are instances of rape, incest, etc. but those numbers pale in comparison to the number of abortions that are simply terminations of unwanted pregnancies. Why is it so hard for some folks to understand that that is just not right.

[JCline0429]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need. [/quote]

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.[/quote]


I wonder if an unborn is not a baby why when a murderer kills a pregnant woman they charge the criminal with a double murder?

[JTApps1]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need.

Don't forget being able to vote without proving you're a citizen.

[Kgfish]

[/quote]I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide.[/quote]

I've read some ridiculous attempts to justify abortion before but that right there wins the prize. One second prior to birth it's not a baby? Does that only apply for a full term pregnancy or does a pre-mature birth also qualify? What about partial birth abortion where they pull a completely formed baby - not fetus - feet first out of the birth canal except for the head and suck the brain out of it? Based on published interviews with Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers and numerous abortionists, the “vast majority” of partial-birth abortions are performed in the fifth and sixth months of pregnancy, on healthy babies of healthy mothers. Figures indicate that partial-birth abortions are performed 3,000 to 5,000 times annually. Sorry dude you can try to spin that anyway you want, but that is sick and it is murder.

[appbio91]

Partial birth abortion was banned in 2003.

[AppGrad1]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need.

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.[/quote]


I wonder if an unborn is not a baby why when a murderer kills a pregnant woman they charge the criminal with a double murder?[/quote]

You might be interested in this article Cline. Found it with a little searching... It's odd that when someone else kills your unborn baby it's murder but when you (a mother) decides to kill her unborn child it's ok...
http://www.gastongazette.com/life-for-m ... 4074?tc=cr

[asutrnr81]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

[AppGrad1]

Ya know, I stopped doing homework assignments when I left ASU.
Are you trying to make a point with me saying that for some reason I think the government comes after citizens more than citizen murders????
I think we all know this. What is your point?

My point is:
I'm not in favor of restrictions on guns and magazines. It will not deter crimes.
Taking away even some rights opens the door for other rights to be taken away.
Question: Will the government give us our AR's and magazines back if they find out these killings didn't stop? The answer is of course not.

I will fight it tooth and nail. I write my Senators weekly and express my concerns.

I had a nice reply to this and for some reason it did not post. I guess I did not hit submit. Anyways I send something later.... but while you wait from today's news.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 27806.html

Watch this video and see if it does not disturb you...............
Unreal....................

Right here in the good ol US of A

[AppGrad1]

Ya know, I stopped doing homework assignments when I left ASU.
Are you trying to make a point with me saying that for some reason I think the government comes after citizens more than citizen murders????
I think we all know this. What is your point?

My point is:
I'm not in favor of restrictions on guns and magazines. It will not deter crimes.
Taking away even some rights opens the door for other rights to be taken away.
Question: Will the government give us our AR's and magazines back if they find out these killings didn't stop? The answer is of course not.

I will fight it tooth and nail. I write my Senators weekly and express my concerns.

I had a nice reply to this and for some reason it did not post. I guess I did not hit submit. Anyways I send something later.... but while you wait from today's news.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 ... 27806.html

Another good en for ya...

(watch this one.. wow)

[appbio91]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

If she were a minority the repubs would say tough stuff old lady.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need.

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.[/quote]


I wonder if an unborn is not a baby why when a murderer kills a pregnant woman they charge the criminal with a double murder?[/quote]

It has to do with whom is in control. The mother or someone else. If I run into a wall and break my nose, then bad choice by me. If you hit me and break my nose, that is battery, and I would hope you would be punished in some fashion.

I am not trying to get in an argument over abortion. All I am asking is that as educated people we use the correct terms, and a baby is different from a fetus. The point where a fetus should not be allowed to be aborted or not can be made based on how viable the fetus is, but until the fetus is out of the womb it is a fetus.

[TheMoody1]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

Your grandma sounds like a great lady, and if this were the law I am sure she would have found the will to get a free ID in order to vote. I guess she never even had a bank account or cashed a check?

[asutrnr81]

Taking this a different direction.

My Grandmother died at age 92....I knew her to vote EVERY time the polls opened until the end of her life when she was in a nursing facility.

Today many want voter id etc...well if this law had been in place during her life she would not have been able to vote as she NEVER had a license or picture ID nor the will to get one.

What would you say to her....and there are STILL many like her today in our country.

Your grandma sounds like a great lady, and if this were the law I am sure she would have found the will to get a free ID in order to vote. I guess she never even had a bank account or cashed a check?

Actually she did get a check but did not have a bank account. She "cashed" her check at the local general store! That question seemed kind of purple if you ask me!

...and she was a great lady!

[goapps93]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need.

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.

I wonder if an unborn is not a baby why when a murderer kills a pregnant woman they charge the criminal with a double murder?[/quote]

It has to do with whom is in control. The mother or someone else. If I run into a wall and break my nose, then bad choice by me. If you hit me and break my nose, that is battery, and I would hope you would be punished in some fashion.

I am not trying to get in an argument over abortion. All I am asking is that as educated people we use the correct terms, and a baby is different from a fetus. The point where a fetus should not be allowed to be aborted or not can be made based on how viable the fetus is, but until the fetus is out of the womb it is a fetus.[/quote]

McLeansvilleAppFan, I understand you are a scientist and that the proper scientific terminology matters to you but what it also does is dehumanize the living, growing organism that is inside a mother's womb. It still baffles me that some people don't seem to understand that it is a human life and don't take the responsibility before hand to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. We have become a society that shuns responsibility and opts for ways to take care of problems after they arrise rather than prevent them. Your control analogy is one of the biggest parts of the problem with abortion. It is about control but the timing of the control is what's out of whack. What happened to the woman's control before and during the act that caused the pregnancy? Abortion should not be used as after the fact birth control. To tie this back in the original topic, it's not about gun control but self control. Too many people are loosing control for whatever reason. Until we deal with that it won't matter what weapons are available or other objects that could be used as weapons, for that matter.

[JCline0429]

As long as we can abort babies, marry both our cat and dog at the same time and smoke as much dope as our heart desires, that's all the freedom we need.

The abortion is of a fetus. I do believe it takes birth to be a baby, at which point it would be infanticide. That may or may not be a distinction some care to make, but there are correct words for different parts of development from conception onward. You may feel aborting a fetus is wrong, and you have the right to those beliefs, but you need to call it what it is - a fetus.

I wonder if an unborn is not a baby why when a murderer kills a pregnant woman they charge the criminal with a double murder?

It has to do with whom is in control. The mother or someone else. If I run into a wall and break my nose, then bad choice by me. If you hit me and break my nose, that is battery, and I would hope you would be punished in some fashion.

I am not trying to get in an argument over abortion. All I am asking is that as educated people we use the correct terms, and a baby is different from a fetus. The point where a fetus should not be allowed to be aborted or not can be made based on how viable the fetus is, but until the fetus is out of the womb it is a fetus.[/quote]

McLeansvilleAppFan, I understand you are a scientist and that the proper scientific terminology matters to you but what it also does is dehumanize the living, growing organism that is inside a mother's womb. It still baffles me that some people don't seem to understand that it is a human life and don't take the responsibility before hand to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. We have become a society that shuns responsibility and opts for ways to take care of problems after they arrise rather than prevent them. Your control analogy is one of the biggest parts of the problem with abortion. It is about control but the timing of the control is what's out of whack. What happened to the woman's control before and during the act that caused the pregnancy? Abortion should not be used as after the fact birth control. To tie this back in the original topic, it's not about gun control but self control. Too many people are loosing control for whatever reason. Until we deal with that it won't matter what weapons are available or other objects that could be used as weapons, for that matter.[/quote]


So, if a mother chooses to take the life, it is a fetus but if a criminal does, it is a baby.