Recruiting and Rivals Star ratings

[AtlAppMan]

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a list of recruits that looks like Alabama's. However, here is a good article that provides some inspiration about our level of recruits.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/ ... ing/nWGqp/

[firemoose]

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a list of recruits that looks like Alabama's. However, here is a good article that provides some inspiration about our level of recruits.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/ ... ing/nWGqp/

Good find. People put too much stock in the stars. I've said it before, I prefer to see who has offered a kid since the people who know, the coaches, are the ones watching the film. If they see enough to offer a kid they see something they like. The more offers the better the get.

[Yosef84]

I completely agree that people put WAY too much stock in the "star" system. The system is heavily biased toward large high school programs. There are a ton of kids playing at small or mid-sized programs with the talent to play in any program. They might take a little more work to find and evaluate, and they might take a little more coaching to get up to college speed, but App (and FCS in general) has benefited from a ton of this talent over the years.

[appdaze]

The star system is solely based on what film they get on a player. That is why we get some 0 star players that turn out to be awesome. It doesn't mean Rivals thinks they are a 0 star it probably just means they never received any film on the player. I do base some merit in the star rankings because there is certainly a difference between most 4-5 star players and 0-2 star players. The reason that many of the better players who are getting recruited by larger programs get more stars as tends to be because there is a ton of film out there that is sent to websites like Rivals to advertise the players.

" They might take a little more work to find and evaluate, and they might take a little more coaching to get up to college speed, but App (and FCS in general) has benefited from a ton of this talent over the years."

You mention this and this is exactly why a lot of these high talent players end up falling through. Large programs don't want to take the time to have to coach kids up that much. They want people who are ready to roll or only need say 1 season and are ready. I think the record of the big school teams (3-5 stars) vs small school teams (0-3 stars) is proof enough that there is at least some merit in the ranking system. If there wasn't then small schools would be beating big schools more often.

[Yosef84]

I'm certainly not implying that the star system is without merit. I just think it gets over emphasized. That's probably due to the obvious fact that it's the only way most of us have of making a comparison.

Generally, I think the PRESENCE of a star has more meaning than the absence of stars. If a player has a 4-star or 5-star rating, there is a very high likelihood that he has the talent to become something special. Of course, injuries and work ethic play into how that actually pans out. On the other side, absence of stars simply means that the player likely hasn't been evaluated (lack of film as you said) and is not indicative that he lacks talent.

[Appmom3186]

I often joke about writing a how to promote your athletic child for dummies book.... Through the years people would say... Hey!! That boy can play at the next level!!! Not once did anyone tell me HOW!! I was single, raising 3 kids and i had no clue! The only films that were sent were sent late and to only a few schools... I only took him to one camp and never to any combines... Hind sight is 20/20!!!
However.... There is no place he'd rather be... And we thank God and ASU often!
Go APP STATE!!!

[Gonzo]

I'd rather have them than not have them. They are great for chest beating and comparing the relative strength of recruiting classes with other schools. But I don't really get too excited for 1 and 2 star recruits. Anyone whose followed a program for long knows that stars are not as important as "also recruited by."

[JCline0429]

I completely agree that people put WAY too much stock in the "star" system. The system is heavily biased toward large high school programs. There are a ton of kids playing at small or mid-sized programs with the talent to play in any program. They might take a little more work to find and evaluate, and they might take a little more coaching to get up to college speed, but App (and FCS in general) has benefited from a ton of this talent over the years.

Exactly. How many stars did Armanti, Jamal, Richie Williams, Corey Lynch, Kevin Richardson, et al have? I doubt they had hardly any but look how they turned out thanks in part to our development of them.

[Appst1]

One thing I'll point out at this level is that all of our NFL players had zero stars. It's better to have 4 and 5 star players and look at the offer list when you are FBS. However, for FCS and D2 schools your best players are going to be guys with zero stars for the most part.

And someone mentioned about offers. I would ignore offers when looking at FCS signings because Brian Quick and Mark Legree (both draft picks) only had an App State offer.

Just look at the list of our draft picks and tell me how many combined stars they had: LeGree, Quick, Kilgore, Smith, Edwards, Jackson, and this year's combine guy McCray.

Cadet had stars but he was a FBS transfer so you can't count him.

I noticed this year Rivals put 2 stars on all of our guys. Have to wonder why they decided to put stars on all of our guys this year?

[JCline0429]

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Just look at the list of our draft picks and tell me how many combined stars they had: LeGree, Quick, Kilgore, Smith, Edwards, Jackson, and this year's combine guy McCray.

Which is the point I made in the post just above yours. Glad that we agree.

[AtlAppMan]

Just more feedback on rankings.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/mark-bradley ... nkings-ok/

[ASUPATCH]

Just more feedback on rankings.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/mark-bradley ... nkings-ok/

Its call spin. He is spinning it to make it seem it doesnt matter. If he had a top ten class you better believe he would be touting the rankings. What coach is going to say....."you know they are right, our recruiting class sucks".