VA College Student Fees

[newtoasu]

Interesting article on this subject from TIME magazine's blog:

http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013 ... ?hpt=hp_t4

[GlassOnion]

What Im finding says that over 7,000 App students receive financial aid in grants, with the average of that aid being $6,800. Does this mean nearly half of students pay nothing at all?

I would guess that includes loans, so it's not really the same as paying nothing at all. There is nothing close to 7000 students at App that receive average $6,800 grants/scholarships/etc that don't have to be paid back.

The info I found says 69% of Appalachian students were on financial aid.

69% of 17,344 is 11,968

of the 11,964, 44% are on Grant, and 45% are on loans.

So that is 5,266 on Appalachian students on Grants, with the average Grant being $6807

I had accidentally taken 44% of the 17,344 total enrollment the first time instead of 44% of the 69% recieving aid.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/college ... ersity.htm

[GlassOnion]

Not necessarly. What is unreasonable for some is not for others. Elem Ed major VS Business major would be an example.

Why exactly is that?

I'd bet the majority of App students arent even paying their own tuition. 5200 are going on grants, I bet another third are on their parents dime.

I would bet the actual # of students that have actually calculated the debt they will have incurred in 4 or 5 years, and how much money they will make with their degree is quite miniscule.

If that were the case, there are certain majors that probably wouldnt even exist.

[Saint3333]

If only I could pay my share of what my family and I use in our day to day lives I'd have a lot more money.

There is a happy medium to provide students a well-rounded college experience somewhere and we are clearly past that from a student fee perspective (every university), but to say I don't use those services I shouldn't have to pay for them is ignorant. Those kids are going to be really upset once they enter the workforce.

[GlassOnion]

Oh, if they only knew.

They'll be paying out the nose for Social Security they likely wont get, out the nose for healthcare they'll use very sparingly and could have gotten cheaper themselves, if some woman wants 8 kids with no father, they get to pay for that too, they pay for taxes so the government can send kids to college, but when it comes to their own, they'll have to cough it up...

the list goes on and on.

And thats if they can FIND a job, this is what you get if you win.

[bcoach]

Not necessarly. What is unreasonable for some is not for others. Elem Ed major VS Business major would be an example.

Why exactly is that?

I'd bet the majority of App students arent even paying their own tuition. 5200 are going on grants, I bet another third are on their parents dime.

I would bet the actual # of students that have actually calculated the debt they will have incurred in 4 or 5 years, and how much money they will make with their degree is quite miniscule.

If that were the case, there are certain majors that probably wouldnt even exist.

Good point. Just how long do you think it will be before a kid says "$40k worth of debt for a $30k a year job?" or how long it takes a parent to ask the same question. This is a big reason for the growth in 2 year schools. Do 2 years at a very low cost and another 2 at the university. Say what you will the cost of an education is a big problem in this country. Student debt is out of control. Not so much at APP as at other schools, but that is now.

[GlassOnion]

Good point. Just how long do you think it will be before a kid says "$40k worth of debt for a $30k a year job?" or how long it takes a parent to ask the same question. This is a big reason for the growth in 2 year schools. Do 2 years at a very low cost and another 2 at the university. Say what you will the cost of an education is a big problem in this country. Student debt is out of control. Not so much at APP as at other schools, but that is now.

Its a big problem alright, but I think its a 2 part problem.

1. The student/parents
a) College is becoming the "spring break" of life, and the debt is an afterthought, and parents dont want their child to go without.
b) Students have been told they can do whatever they want, with no respect to reality.
c) Not everyone is cut out for a 4 year degree.

2. Government is paying for a huge amount of the bill. How many students dont really care how much it cost because it costs them nothing? The school raises tuition, the government just writes a bigger check.

There is no free market to keep the cost down. If a student actually had to pay themselves, they'd shop around for the best cost/benefit, and it would incentivise the schools to maximise cost/benefit. It would also help fill needed roles in society.

I'd say college is becoming more of an entitlement than the merit based thing it used to be.

[appbio91]

Not necessarly. What is unreasonable for some is not for others. Elem Ed major VS Business major would be an example.

Why exactly is that?

I'd bet the majority of App students arent even paying their own tuition. 5200 are going on grants, I bet another third are on their parents dime.

I would bet the actual # of students that have actually calculated the debt they will have incurred in 4 or 5 years, and how much money they will make with their degree is quite miniscule.

If that were the case, there are certain majors that probably wouldnt even exist.

Good point. Just how long do you think it will be before a kid says "$40k worth of debt for a $30k a year job?" or how long it takes a parent to ask the same question. This is a big reason for the growth in 2 year schools. Do 2 years at a very low cost and another 2 at the university. Say what you will the cost of an education is a big problem in this country. Student debt is out of control. Not so much at APP as at other schools, but that is now.

Belmont Abbey is actually lowering their tution quite a bit for this very reason. They were losing students to community colleges because of the costs.

[bcoach]

Good point. Just how long do you think it will be before a kid says "$40k worth of debt for a $30k a year job?" or how long it takes a parent to ask the same question. This is a big reason for the growth in 2 year schools. Do 2 years at a very low cost and another 2 at the university. Say what you will the cost of an education is a big problem in this country. Student debt is out of control. Not so much at APP as at other schools, but that is now.

Its a big problem alright, but I think its a 2 part problem.

1. The student/parents
a) College is becoming the "spring break" of life, and the debt is an afterthought, and parents dont want their child to go without.
b) Students have been told they can do whatever they want, with no respect to reality.
c) Not everyone is cut out for a 4 year degree.

2. Government is paying for a huge amount of the bill. How many students dont really care how much it cost because it costs them nothing? The school raises tuition, the government just writes a bigger check.

There is no free market to keep the cost down. If a student actually had to pay themselves, they'd shop around for the best cost/benefit, and it would incentivise the schools to maximise cost/benefit. It would also help fill needed roles in society.

I'd say college is becoming more of an entitlement than the merit based thing it used to be.

Some very good points. But here is one to consider. If all students had to pay and pay the full cost, would we still have football?

[GlassOnion]

Some very good points. But here is one to consider. If all students had to pay and pay the full cost, would we still have football?

Probably not, so lets keep it on the DL.

[bcoach]

Some very good points. But here is one to consider. If all students had to pay and pay the full cost, would we still have football?

Probably not, so lets keep it on the DL.

In that case I have finally found something the govt is good for--------football

[GlassOnion]

In that case I have finally found something the govt is good for--------football

Enjoy it while you can! I hear the .00003% cut from The Sequester is aimed right at college football.

[bcoach]

In that case I have finally found something the govt is good for--------football

Enjoy it while you can! I hear the .00003% cut from The Sequester is aimed right at college football.

Well now that makes me wonder about something. Now that the WH tours have been cancelled do you think the winner of the tournament will still get to go?

[GlassOnion]

Well now that makes me wonder about something. Now that the WH tours have been cancelled do you think the winner of the tournament will still get to go?

Depends. Does the winner come from a state the Dems need the next go around?

[JCline0429]

Oh, if they only knew.

They'll be paying out the nose for Social Security they likely wont get, out the nose for healthcare they'll use very sparingly and could have gotten cheaper themselves, if some woman wants 8 kids with no father, they get to pay for that too, they pay for taxes so the government can send kids to college, but when it comes to their own, they'll have to cough it up...

the list goes on and on.

And thats if they can FIND a job, this is what you get if you win.

Not to get into politics too deeply, but I doubt Soc Security will ever end. The gummit will just keep printing money to cover it and the value of a dollar will plummet.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Oh, if they only knew.

They'll be paying out the nose for Social Security they likely wont get, out the nose for healthcare they'll use very sparingly and could have gotten cheaper themselves, if some woman wants 8 kids with no father, they get to pay for that too, they pay for taxes so the government can send kids to college, but when it comes to their own, they'll have to cough it up...

the list goes on and on.

And thats if they can FIND a job, this is what you get if you win.

Not to get into politics too deeply, but I doubt Soc Security will ever end. The gummit will just keep printing money to cover it and the value of a dollar will plummet.

At present and for some years into the future the Social Security funds have a positive balance of funds. Even now SS brings in more than it gives out. They will change with a large baby boom population and a smaller workforce population, but even then it is projected SSA will bring in around 70 cent for each dollar it spends (at least that was the last numbers I heard.) That might mean reduced benefits or a gov't infusion of money but not a complete shutdown of SS, but the need for the gov't giving SS $ is not the case at present with a positive fund balance.

Since it does have a positive fund balance and has brought in more than it has spent I don't see how anyone can argue the gov't is printing money to maintain SS. The gov't is printing money, sure, but to suggest it is to keep SS solvent is illogical.