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by BeauFoster » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:31 pm
yosef69 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:24 pm
BeauFoster wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:19 pm
Per Ethan, no defensive coaches will be made available for interviews during the weekly press conference tomorrow. Very interesting.
Realistically, what could this mean?
It could mean anything. Could be that Drink is taking 100% responsibility for the d performance and want the coaches working on getting better instead of answering media questions. If that’s the case, I don’t like it and think at least Roof should be there. Admire if he tries to fall on the sword though.
Could also mean that responsibility is being shifted around or roles slightly changing. If that’s the case, I wouldn’t make the coaches available to answer a bunch of questions that they don’t know the answers to (meaning they just found out about changes and aren’t acclimated yet). I could accept that.
If he just doesn’t want them to have to take accountability for the performance, then that’s very disappointing.
Give 'em hell!
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by ASU-FTW » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:34 pm
Roof's sensitive ego cant take the heat nor can he take accountability for the egg he laid.
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by WASU 93 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:38 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:14 am
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:15 am
Did we ever run the 3-4 yesterday?
Haha. Yes. But it was a hybrid scheme where you line a 4th LB on the line. This is what was causing all of the problems.
Then, that is a 4-3. It doesn't matter how many LB's you have on the field. The 4 means that you have 4 players at the line of scrimmage, between the tight ends. We ran a 4-3 most of the day, with an undersized, but faster lineman.
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by T-Dog » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:54 pm
I remember when Dale Jones was defensive coordinator, he said that he would switch to a 3-4 defense, but never actually changed it. This situation with Roof reminds me of that.
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by Chaz » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:59 pm
Someone is going to have to answer for it. I guess Drinkwitz is willing to fall on the grenade as he should be. This was his mistake, and it was a big one.
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by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:44 pm
WASU 93 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:38 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:14 am
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:15 am
Did we ever run the 3-4 yesterday?
Haha. Yes. But it was a hybrid scheme where you line a 4th LB on the line. This is what was causing all of the problems.
Then, that is a 4-3. It doesn't matter how many LB's you have on the field. The 4 means that you have 4 players at the line of scrimmage, between the tight ends. We ran a 4-3 most of the day, with an undersized, but faster lineman.
4 -3 means 4 guys with a hand in the ground. We brought a 4th guy up because we were scheming to stop the run and dare Reynolds to beat us. Did that leave the middle of the field open? Yes. And the game film from GW showed they weren’t a threat over the middle. Clearly they fixed that. Reynolds played like an All Conference QB yesterday. Jolly looked like they were picking on him, but truth be told, the two TD s to Tucker were against pretty good coverage. He just made the perfect throw. ADG and Fehr acknowledged that the new scheme is causing them to get out of position and miss tackles. Let’s see if they get it corrected. Although I doubt there is anything Roof will be able to do to change the mind of his detractors. But, if some of you want him gone tomorrow, you can always write that check to cover what we owe him.
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by asutrnr81 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:54 pm
Real problem is that Ivey and Jones was prevented from staying. They both wanted to stay and APParently Drink was told no.
I SAW Jones stand on his head arguing with Brown at Penn State last year. (Nothing inappropriate). Is anyone standing up and saying anything during the game....it doesn't look like it.
There was not enough coach enthusiasm /passion on the sidelines yesterday to Impassion anyone.
Go APPS!
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by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:57 pm
asutrnr81 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:54 pm
Real problem is that Ivey and Jones was prevented from staying. They both wanted to stay and APParently Drink was told no.
I SAW Jones stand on his head arguing with Brown at Penn State last year. (Nothing inappropriate). Is anyone standing up and saying anything during the game....it doesn't look like it.
There was not enough coach enthusiasm /passion on the sidelines yesterday to Impassion anyone.
Sent you a PM. We'll talk at the Coastal game.
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by WASU 93 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:11 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:44 pm
WASU 93 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:38 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:14 am
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:15 am
Did we ever run the 3-4 yesterday?
Haha. Yes. But it was a hybrid scheme where you line a 4th LB on the line. This is what was causing all of the problems.
Then, that is a 4-3. It doesn't matter how many LB's you have on the field. The 4 means that you have 4 players at the line of scrimmage, between the tight ends. We ran a 4-3 most of the day, with an undersized, but faster lineman.
4 -3 means 4 guys with a hand in the ground. We brought a 4th guy up because we were scheming to stop the run and dare Reynolds to beat us. Did that leave the middle of the field open? Yes. And the game film from GW showed they weren’t a threat over the middle. Clearly they fixed that. Reynolds played like an All Conference QB yesterday. Jolly looked like they were picking on him, but truth be told, the two TD s to Tucker were against pretty good coverage. He just made the perfect throw. ADG and Fehr acknowledged that the new scheme is causing them to get out of position and miss tackles. Let’s see if they get it corrected. Although I doubt there is anything Roof will be able to do to change the mind of his detractors. But, if some of you want him gone tomorrow, you can always write that check to cover what we owe him.
Just because our LB, playing Defensive End, was standing up, does not make it a 3-4. It.s not like we were putting MLB’s in rhe gaps. We were aligned in a 4-3 for most of the game.
Do you think Charlotte blocked us any different because it was an LB vs. a true DE? We were essentially playing a 4-3 with our corners in man with no press coverage.
We were great at making defensive adjustments at HT last year and clamping down in the second.half. Where were the adjustments? Why not switch to a press coverage and bump them off their routes vs. a free release? Some zone?
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by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:18 pm
No we were not lined up in a 4-3. There were times when the OLB were both playing up on the line. It is what AppstateAlum was referencing as playing shallow. That doesn't make them down lineman.
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by JMappfan5 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:20 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:35 pm
Chaz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:26 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:24 pm
diehardapp18 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:58 pm
This is not an overreaction. It was a bad hire when we made it, it’s a bad hire now. Dude just isn’t a good coach, the evidence is there. Open the debate
STFU!
Lol. You must be fun at parties. Am I right?
I don’t do parties. Too many stupid people.
Lots of stupid people on this Board!!! Probably the same ones whining & wanting Satterfield FIRED!!! LMAO!!!
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by JMappfan5 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:24 pm
GlassOnion wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:22 pm
Was not impressed with the Roof hire to begin with, downright livid now. We could save $$$$$$ and just let our athletes line up themselves and do better than this. We're going from a top 10 defense to a bottom 10 by the look of it. The players are there, they are proven performers. 6 figures for this steaming mess? I got into the wrong business.
Roof didn't miss tackles or have stupid undisciplined penalties. Can't put all the blame on a new Coach. He may need to find the players to fit his schemes. Patience grasshopper!!!
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by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:35 pm
JMappfan5 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:20 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:35 pm
Chaz wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:26 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:24 pm
diehardapp18 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:58 pm
This is not an overreaction. It was a bad hire when we made it, it’s a bad hire now. Dude just isn’t a good coach, the evidence is there. Open the debate
STFU!
Lol. You must be fun at parties. Am I right?
I don’t do parties. Too many stupid people.
Lots of stupid people on this Board!!! Probably the same ones whining & wanting Satterfield FIRED!!! LMAO!!!
Well I certainly didn't mean to infer that people on here are stupid. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even the stupid ones. I just have a hard time understanding why people get so unhinged when things don't go as expected. We as fans have emotional ties and in some instances, a bit of money invested in the success of the program. But it pales in comparison to what is at stake for these coaches. These are livelihoods. Yes they make good money to do what they do, but no coach game plans to fail and he/she certainly doesn't coach players to not execute. People need to take a breath and ask some real questions to get to the root cause of things before calling for someone's job.
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by PhillyApp1 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:57 pm
I feel like this is Strike One.... and notice that Roof better make the changes ... DG will have issues if there becomes a strike 2 and 3 .... Roof has been a gift and it is his job to continue it..... i am worried until Roof changes that to, not worry.
Sept 21 will answer a lot.
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by appstatealum » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:00 pm
AppSt94 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:44 pm
WASU 93 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:38 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:14 am
Rekdiver wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:15 am
Did we ever run the 3-4 yesterday?
Haha. Yes. But it was a hybrid scheme where you line a 4th LB on the line. This is what was causing all of the problems.
Then, that is a 4-3. It doesn't matter how many LB's you have on the field. The 4 means that you have 4 players at the line of scrimmage, between the tight ends. We ran a 4-3 most of the day, with an undersized, but faster lineman.
4 -3 means 4 guys with a hand in the ground. We brought a 4th guy up because we were scheming to stop the run and dare Reynolds to beat us. Did that leave the middle of the field open? Yes. And the game film from GW showed they weren’t a threat over the middle. Clearly they fixed that. Reynolds played like an All Conference QB yesterday. Jolly looked like they were picking on him, but truth be told, the two TD s to Tucker were against pretty good coverage. He just made the perfect throw. ADG and Fehr acknowledged that the new scheme is causing them to get out of position and miss tackles. Let’s see if they get it corrected. Although I doubt there is anything Roof will be able to do to change the mind of his detractors. But, if some of you want him gone tomorrow, you can always write that check to cover what we owe him.
Correct. Good job explaining that. Regardless of how many men are on the line, one has to have his hand in the dirt to make it a true 4-3.
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by appstatealum » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:04 pm
asutrnr81 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:54 pm
Real problem is that Ivey and Jones was prevented from staying. They both wanted to stay and APParently Drink was told no.
I SAW Jones stand on his head arguing with Brown at Penn State last year. (Nothing inappropriate). Is anyone standing up and saying anything during the game....it doesn't look like it.
There was not enough coach enthusiasm /passion on the sidelines yesterday to Impassion anyone.
This is not entirely accurate. There was alot more to the story.
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by ASU85Grad » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:20 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:04 pm
asutrnr81 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:54 pm
Real problem is that Ivey and Jones was prevented from staying. They both wanted to stay and APParently Drink was told no.
I SAW Jones stand on his head arguing with Brown at Penn State last year. (Nothing inappropriate). Is anyone standing up and saying anything during the game....it doesn't look like it.
There was not enough coach enthusiasm /passion on the sidelines yesterday to Impassion anyone.
This is not entirely accurate. There was alot more to the story.
What is the rest of the story? On TV yesterday the UNCC coaches were excited. Don't see much excitement from our coaches when they were shown.
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by CharleyHustle » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:37 pm
First, he should have never hired Roof to begin with. His track record is horrible at every stop. Second, he should demote him. But the reality is that he did and he won't. Coaches simply don't fire friends. I've read every comment on this topic, but here is the reality. You can play any defense imaginable...line them up any way you want to. As long as our corners give 10 yard cushions on both sides it won't matter. Every good quarterback will have their way with our defense. No defense can hold offensive backs to zero yardage and they will continue to defeat our defense and keep drives alive with short outs and slants to keep their drives going and our offense on the sidelines. Just watch the cornerback alignment of other good defenses, as well as our defense last year and the difference is obvious.
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by WASU 93 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:43 pm
hapapp wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:22 pm
After reading this thread it is apparent the season is over. I'm assuming all you folks with tickets to the UNC game will post on this board that you are selling them at cut rate prices.
I get being upset about the performance yesterday, I know I was. But, does anyone really think after one bad defensive performance that Drink is going to fire Roof? Further, I think for some its just a bridge to far to admit that Charlotte is making strides under a new staff that has installed some confidence in that team. I don't know if they win another game this year, maybe that was their high water mark. But, I do know yesterday it wasn't just our mistakes or formation that resulted in their making some outstanding plays.
For the record, I am not in the Fire Roof camp either.
However, my biggest fear this year was losing our edge on defense. We had a Top 25 defense last year and ranked Top 15 in several categories.
My hope was that Roof and our defensive coaches would plug into our system vs. plugging our players into their system. That's what I don't see at this point. Two weeks is a lot of time to self examine, adjust and move forward. We'll see the results in Chapel Hill.
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by appstatealum » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:05 pm
ASU85Grad wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:20 pm
appstatealum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:04 pm
asutrnr81 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:54 pm
Real problem is that Ivey and Jones was prevented from staying. They both wanted to stay and APParently Drink was told no.
I SAW Jones stand on his head arguing with Brown at Penn State last year. (Nothing inappropriate). Is anyone standing up and saying anything during the game....it doesn't look like it.
There was not enough coach enthusiasm /passion on the sidelines yesterday to Impassion anyone.
This is not entirely accurate. There was alot more to the story.
What is the rest of the story? On TV yesterday the UNCC coaches were excited. Don't see much excitement from our coaches when they were shown.
I'm talking about Ivey and Jones....
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