Ted Roof Comments

[AppSt94]

He’s the same guy he’s always been and everyone said he was. None of this “wait and see” crap. He doesn’t deserve a job.

Do you?

I would have been fired long ago if I underperformed, but shouldn't you get back to posting random questions on the board that a quick Google search would answer for you?

Unless you can unequivocally prove that the results would be the same or better than last year with anyone other than Roof, you’re just abusing the keys on your keyboard. Case in point. Vildor and Brinson are arguably the best CB tandem in G5 this year. But they are playing with two new safeties that are getting abused. Personnel makes a significant difference. Even if Brown were still here, there would have been a drop off in production. Any argument to the severity would be supposition.

[NavyApp]

He’s the same guy he’s always been and everyone said he was. None of this “wait and see” crap. He doesn’t deserve a job.

Do you?

I would have been fired long ago if I underperformed, but shouldn't you get back to posting random questions on the board that a quick Google search would answer for you?

Unless you can unequivocally prove that the results would be the same or better than last year with anyone other than Roof, you’re just abusing the keys on your keyboard. Case in point. Vildor and Brinson are arguably the best CB tandem in G5 this year. But they are playing with two new safeties that are getting abused. Personnel makes a significant difference. Even if Brown were still here, there would have been a drop off in production. Any argument to the severity would be supposition.

Just playing Devil's advocate here; you're entire post is supposition. There is zero factual evidence in your post. Even the Vildor, Brinson comment. Again just Devil's advocate here.

[AppSt94]

He’s the same guy he’s always been and everyone said he was. None of this “wait and see” crap. He doesn’t deserve a job.

Do you?

I would have been fired long ago if I underperformed, but shouldn't you get back to posting random questions on the board that a quick Google search would answer for you?

Unless you can unequivocally prove that the results would be the same or better than last year with anyone other than Roof, you’re just abusing the keys on your keyboard. Case in point. Vildor and Brinson are arguably the best CB tandem in G5 this year. But they are playing with two new safeties that are getting abused. Personnel makes a significant difference. Even if Brown were still here, there would have been a drop off in production. Any argument to the severity would be supposition.

Just playing Devil's advocate here; you're entire post is supposition. There is zero factual evidence in your post. Even the Vildor, Brinson comment. Again just Devil's advocate here.

Not opposed to devil’s advocacy, but the lack of factual information was my point. People look at statistics and draw conclusions by identifying the lowest hanging fruit. There are a host of factors involved that have led to the statistical results thus far. Coaching turnover, player turnover and attrition, learning curves. People set standards and expectations based on historical information. That’s fine. But the failure to meet expectations, and the subsequent frustration, happens when all the variables aren’t factored into those expectations.

[AppStateNews]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

[AppStFan1]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

[sixtoes9134]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

It's actually 29 points per game to be precise.

[App91]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

Biggest issue is that many of the same plays are working over and over, showing lack of adjustments. The middle of field has been wide open all year. Several running plays the same way. Too much cushion on the edges.

That said, Roof does not make tackles and that has been a glaring problem, not wrapping up. Too many YAC. Had not seen it on here but poor tackling almost cost us Fehr for the first half of the UNC game. On that play where he was flagged for targeting, then reversed, a horrible missed tackle right after the snap. These things are not on the coaches, and can be fixed.

[hapapp]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

Perhaps it will prove to be a mistake but to make that determination after 4 games seems to me just an effort to confirm your biases from the start. Not suggesting your criticisms aren't valid but to proclaim the hire a mistake is premature and frankly doesn't really get us anywhere. I don't think anyone is happy with the overall performance of the defense to date but I think it fair to see how things play out. Actually, we don't have any other choice.

[AppStFan1]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

It's actually 29 points per game to be precise.

That is if you include ETSU and I don't like to include those games because it is apples and oranges. They are FCS and if we had given up say just 20 points we all would have been mad so we can't include them in those defensive stats.

When you take the 3 FBS opponents we are actually giving up 36.3 per game and I rounded down to help him. Every FBS opponent has scored 31 or more on us so far.

[AppStFan1]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

Perhaps it will prove to be a mistake but to make that determination after 4 games seems to me just an effort to confirm your biases from the start. Not suggesting your criticisms aren't valid but to proclaim the hire a mistake is premature and frankly doesn't really get us anywhere. I don't think anyone is happy with the overall performance of the defense to date but I think it fair to see how things play out. Actually, we don't have any other choice.

You are right and things could change but I don't see it changing much. Do I expect our defense to improve the numbers a little bit? Sure. I seriously do just because of experience but until he goes back to running what we had been running I think he sets us behind. Part of it is continuity and you want to keep the kids running what they are comfortable with. Hopefully he makes those changes but I'm not holding my breathe. We are still winning so coaches are less likely to make those adjustments. If we lose to ULL say 42-28 or 45-35 then I would imagine our coaches might make that decision.

[appstatealum]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

FACT

We have been saying this, but I know some do not want to listen. I’ll add to it, I’m not even opposed to Roof changing the scheme. But you have to do that gradually and through recruiting. A drop off of from top 10 to sub 100 is insane. I can revive the horse and beat it again, but honestly, go pull up games from last year and games from this year and see the differences in base scheme. Then objectively look at the strengths and weaknesses of each of our 11 defenders and rotation guys. You will start to see that many of them were used in different ways last season, by a staff that SEEMED to better understand their strengths/weaknesses, and how that led to team success. I’m not doubting Roof has a lot of knowledge of the game, what I am doubting is his understanding of our personnel and how best to use them.

You can use the handle of a screwdriver to beat a nail into a piece of wood, but using a hammer would be more efficient and affective. You can hit a screw into a piece of wood with a hammer, but using a screwdriver would be a lot more efficient and affective.

[AppStateNews]

That said, Roof does not make tackles and that has been a glaring problem, not wrapping up. Too many YAC. Had not seen it on here but poor tackling almost cost us Fehr for the first half of the UNC game. On that play where he was flagged for targeting, then reversed, a horrible missed tackle right after the snap. These things are not on the coaches, and can be fixed.

A lot of the missed tackles have been because of bad positioning. A lot of the bad positioning has been due to players not being able to just play. They've had to think about assignments instead of it just coming naturally. This is due to the scheme changing at season start.

Drink has also said they put emphasis on taking the ball away. Our guys are going for the strip more often than years past. That is likely due to our more potent offense instead of ball control offense.

Overall, I don't hate Roof. I think it's crazy he changed the scheme after going all preseason with essentially the same scheme as years past. I honestly think Roof just wasn't comfortable calling that scheme and that's the reason he changed it. I get being uncomfortable with it if you're not used to it -- but don't do it in season. That is my primary issue with the scheme change. He gave our guys limited time to learn it since we didn't do it in camps.

If we ran it in camps and our guys still aren't performing, that's on the players. If it's changed 5 weeks ago right before first game and the guys aren't performing, that's on the DC. In this case, it's on the DC.

[Yosef10]

Sounds like some of y’all really missed yalls calling as a defensive coordinator

[AppStateNews]

Sounds like some of y’all really missed yalls calling as a defensive coordinator

You don't have to be a defensive coordinator to see the scheme has changed. Any semi-knowledgeable football fan can see it.

[appstatealum]

Sounds like some of y’all really missed yalls calling as a defensive coordinator

I currently only coach peewee due to my career and other obligations, but I have a few standing high school offers.

[sixtoes9134]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

Thank you for getting it. Many on here just have not. They keep making excuses. We have folks who think every coach our HC hires or any player they offer is great and makes every excuse. Drink has been great but made a mistake with Roof. The fact Roof did not keep the system the same has been my problem all along. Did I expect to give up just 15 a game again? No. Is losing Stout and the CBs alone worth 21 points? I don't think so. I was expecting about 21-24 points this year with the losses. Not giving up 35 or so a game.

It's actually 29 points per game to be precise.

That is if you include ETSU and I don't like to include those games because it is apples and oranges. They are FCS and if we had given up say just 20 points we all would have been mad so we can't include them in those defensive stats.

When you take the 3 FBS opponents we are actually giving up 36.3 per game and I rounded down to help him. Every FBS opponent has scored 31 or more on us so far.

Coastal got a TD in junk time with their starters against our 2's and 3's. If you are trying to split hairs.

[goapps93]

Calling for his head after 1 game, which was done, was quite unfair and none of us would have stood for that behavior if it had been directed toward us in our job. His contract is for the year and should be evaluated after the season. It would have been asinine to have fired him after 1 game and still would be. We're 4-0 and the defense has scored off turnovers. Coaching is not as easy as some of you would like to believe it is. And to expect that a new coach would come in and not change some things is quite naive. Our guys are players and will catch on. If not I imagine it will be put on Roof to fix it and if he can't he will move on. As bad as some of you think it is we still have a really good shot to go undefeated, it just may not be in the fashion we would have thought or liked.

[goapps93]

Oh yea, BEAT UL!!!!

[AppSt94]

The issue people are having is with the scheme. The scheme has changed. That's a fact.

It's putting players into positions they weren't recruited for (i.e. corners on an island instead of zone or OLBs as mainly pass rushers instead of run support and coverage). That's a fact.

All through preseason camps, we ran essentially the same scheme as the previous years but was changed at start of season. That's a fact.

Sure, the loss of players will hurt any team. I think most people would be ok and know that. However, in this case, it isn't just the loss of players. It's the complete retooling of a scheme that didn't need to be retooled -- and wasn't retooled until season started.

FACT

We have been saying this, but I know some do not want to listen. I’ll add to it, I’m not even opposed to Roof changing the scheme. But you have to do that gradually and through recruiting. A drop off of from top 10 to sub 100 is insane. I can revive the horse and beat it again, but honestly, go pull up games from last year and games from this year and see the differences in base scheme. Then objectively look at the strengths and weaknesses of each of our 11 defenders and rotation guys. You will start to see that many of them were used in different ways last season, by a staff that SEEMED to better understand their strengths/weaknesses, and how that led to team success. I’m not doubting Roof has a lot of knowledge of the game, what I am doubting is his understanding of our personnel and how best to use them.

You can use the handle of a screwdriver to beat a nail into a piece of wood, but using a hammer would be more efficient and affective. You can hit a screw into a piece of wood with a hammer, but using a screwdriver would be a lot more efficient and affective.

So to summarize, you are concerned that we have coaches that are running a scheme with players that weren’t recruited to run said scheme and despite this major concern, we are 4-0 and beat an in state P5 on their field? I can see why you are concerned about the competence of the coaching staff.

[AppSt94]

Calling for his head after 1 game, which was done, was quite unfair and none of us would have stood for that behavior if it had been directed toward us in our job. His contract is for the year and should be evaluated after the season. It would have been asinine to have fired him after 1 game and still would be. We're 4-0 and the defense has scored off turnovers. Coaching is not as easy as some of you would like to believe it is. And to expect that a new coach would come in and not change some things is quite naive. Our guys are players and will catch on. If not I imagine it will be put on Roof to fix it and if he can't he will move on. As bad as some of you think it is we still have a really good shot to go undefeated, it just may not be in the fashion we would have thought or liked.

You need to STOP making sense.

Well said.