ASU, Boone, conservancy discuss Boone Creek daylighting proposal

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Not sure if this has already been discussed on here...

https://www.wataugademocrat.com/news/as ... 40aa5.html

[The Rock]

trying to kill another prime tailgating spot by removing a lot and putting up a deck. There will be nowhere in sunshine to tailgate in 5 years.

[GregPercussion]

Well needed parking space though. And to counteract that flood zone.

Sad to see that parking lot go, but well needed for the town of Boone and App.

[Rick83]

The rendering looks pretty cool actually. I think it's needed and a good idea.

[HighPointApp]

We need to prepare for that 500 year flood

[NewApp]

We need to prepare for that 500 year flood

Or another 1940 flood. Seriously.

[BTK2000]

Yeah it’s a good idea IMO. We have more surface lots than almost any other large campus from what I’ve seem. From my understanding the flood zone makes construction along the creek impossible Without having a raised building. The new broadcast building for example. It will help flooding on campus by giving the creek some room to expand. That’s why Durham park exists. To control the bottleneck under convo and provide a floodplain for the creek to expand. Duncan will also be gone within the decade because it’s also my understanding that it can’t be renovated due to its location in the floodplain. The new master plan has the addition of more green space in the floodplain and I think it makes sense. You can still tailgate in the new park and I think it will really tie the campus together.

[BTK2000]

We need to prepare for that 500 year flood

Or another 1940 flood. Seriously.

Not even a 1940 flood. I’ve seen Duncan and rankin flood, knee deep running water in the Peacock parking lot and just the top of the gazebo sticking out of the water in Durham park. That was all this decade. There is a reason they have sandbags in front of Duncan hall facing rivers street

[97grad]

trying to kill another prime tailgating spot by removing a lot and putting up a deck. There will be nowhere in sunshine to tailgate in 5 years.

Bad take. We need to maximize green space and building space, not asphalt.

[appchicago]

trying to kill another prime tailgating spot by removing a lot and putting up a deck. There will be nowhere in sunshine to tailgate in 5 years.

Bad take. We need to maximize green space and building space, not asphalt.

I love tailgating, but agree that 5-6 days a year shouldn't take precedence over the rest of the year. Plus, there are plenty of ways to pregame without a physical tailgate, and I think we can figure it out as a fanbase.

[ah59396]

I’m with the consensus here. Love the idea. No doubt it makes tailgating more difficult and should at least be addressed, but enhancing that space in the manner described benefits the school/Boone/students the other 359 days a year.

It also looks great and for me at least, promotes Appalachian as the environmentally appealing campus and institution it is. There are plenty of ugly asphalt campuses out there, App is definitely not one of them.

[moonshine]

I believe we touched on this when the master plan was originally unveiled. Glad to see the wheels turning on this project and hope they can find the sources of funding needed to make it happen.

I think it will greatly add to the aesthetics of our campus and fits the "green model" App embraces. I really like the fact that they want to expand the business building on the top levels of the deck by adding a sky bridge to tie the deck to the Peacock building.

While I understand it may take away from tailgating lots, it looks like a great place for College Game Day to set up one of these days.

[BeauFoster]

More green space on campus is not a bad thing. Getting rid of ground level parking will only enhance the look. Parking lots are ugly. Parking decks can be dressed up.

[The Rock]

Lots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.

[1ASU78]

Boone creek. Kraut creek? One in the same or one was never the other?

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Lots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.

The flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.

[The Rock]

Lots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.

The flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.

Incorrect. Daylighting, unless they are creating a very deep channel, will have to expand the width of the floodplain. That is the point of creating the green space; that will be a storage area for flood waters much like Durham park is.
Otherwise, this project wouldn’t alleviate flooding at all.

[John-N-Houston]

Lots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.

The flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.

Incorrect. Daylighting, unless they are creating a very deep channel, will have to expand the width of the floodplain. That is the point of creating the green space; that will be a storage area for flood waters much like Durham park is.
Otherwise, this project wouldn’t alleviate flooding at all.

Nature determines the floodplain. Engineers can try to estimate the extent of excess water flow based on historical weather data, existing and proposed upstream development, existing and proposed detention AND retention ponds and the conditions within the floodplain that either promote or inhibit water flow. Any “reasonably” sized pipe would quickly be overwhelmed by a 500 year flood.

Two years ago I evacuated my home in what some people called a 10,000 year flood. I have my doubts that that was a correct assessment, but I have no doubt that major floods are occurring at an alarmingly increasing rate. Do not take these proposals lightly. A cavalier attitude now could prove dangerous in the near future.

[The Rock]

Lots of things can be done to mitigate flooding. Permeable asphalt, pavers, stormwater detention systems can all be installed to reduce runoff and slow down flooding. App does none of those things. This is not App being green, they have had plenty of opportunities to do that and have not; this is the Town of Boone pushing to put a parking deck up. Since the one at the site of the proposed hotel (formerly student housing with parking deck; corner of King and Waters St) fell through, they are scrambling to find some place to put one. Town tax payers are going to foot a large part of the bill for a "public" parking deck that will consist of mostly ASU students, just like the spots on King st are. It cannot be avoided, there is no way to verify legitimate ASU student shopping on King St or going to class, and this will be no different.
The day-lighting of the stream is a way to sell this to the community. It may have a small benefit to some buildings on campus in the immediate area, but the majority of water and associated flooding comes downstream of this project and the benefits to the large majority of campus and Boone as a whole will be very slim.
I know parking lots are unattractive, and you can say games only impact 6 days a year; but I really think we are underestimating the impact App State football has on this university and the whole community, and the game day atmosphere is a HUGE part of that. Continuing to replace 1000 spot parking lots with parking decks where only 200 spots are in the sunshine will have an adverse impact on tailgating and could hurt ticket sales, which is the lifeblood of the program.
It also seems like a bad idea to expand the floodplain in an area that is a main connector for the east and west side of campus, a walkway for many students going from Walker to Raley, and the main hub for Appalcarts.
If the Town and ASU where really wanting to be proactive and help flooding in the whole town, they would have developed a fund to either increase pipe diameters or day -light the stream along that whole area to alleviate flooding. This is a drop in the bucket (no pun intended) to the flooding issues just on this one stream.

The flood plain will be the flood plain based on the amount of water needed to find a place to go. Daylighting the creek will help with water quality, and make this area orders of magnitude more beautiful in my estimation. It could hurt tailgating but there are many more positives that are important 358 other days each year.

Incorrect. Daylighting, unless they are creating a very deep channel, will have to expand the width of the floodplain. That is the point of creating the green space; that will be a storage area for flood waters much like Durham park is.
Otherwise, this project wouldn’t alleviate flooding at all.

Nature determines the floodplain. Engineers can try to estimate the extent of excess water flow based on historical weather data, existing and proposed upstream development, existing and proposed detention AND retention ponds and the conditions within the floodplain that either promote or inhibit water flow. Any “reasonably” sized pipe would quickly be overwhelmed by a 500 year flood.

Two years ago I evacuated my home in what some people called a 10,000 year flood. I have my doubts that that was a correct assessment, but I have no doubt that major floods are occurring at an alarmingly increasing rate. Do not take these proposals lightly. A cavalier attitude now could prove dangerous in the near future.

I deal with flood plain management on a regular basis. It is true that flooding events are occurring more frequently and with more severity.
If you are from Houston, as your screen name indicates, Harvey was absolutely a 10,000 year storm, or a biblical storm. Houston prides itself on not having zoning regulations and letting developers do what they want with little or no restrictions. That includes building in designated flood plains, replacing all grassed areas with concrete and asphalt with no detention or storm water measures. Add this in with over 4 feet of rain, you are going to get a disaster.
If you force a certain amount of water through a limited amount pipe, it will have to back up and flood somewhere, but removing that pipe and day-lighting the stream at that area will most certainly increase the flood plain width at this area. It will alleviate some flooding at some point up stream, but the width of the plain will be expanded (although somewhat more controlled) in this area.
It will require a map amendment to FEMA’s flood maps for this revision.
Again, it may slightly improve a small area around and just upstream of the project, but without doing an entire section of this creek, the benefits aren’t that substantial. Again, this is just a small facet of the actual project which is the construction of the parking deck

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Has the area that was Red Lackey baseball field and now the open park area had more of less flooding since that part was day-lighted?

It certainly is a much nicer look for the campus. There is so much of this creak under the roads in Boone one small section may not make a large difference but the aesthetic value is much improved in my mind.