Comparison: ASU & UNCC Football Programs

[JCline0429]

When was the last time we had 9K at a sporting event other than football?

If we were a one-trick pony like UNCC, we might see such support for basketball.

Just saying, how can you expect to exceed 15,000 when you're not even sure that many fans exist at all?

Anyone who has seen our basketball teams play might argue we are a one trick pony. Yes baseball had a good season last year, but one year does not a success make. I think it is funny how people on this board seem to have to belittle other schools programs in order to make theirs seem important. The truth of the matter is UNCC will be like any other school starting out. They will have ups and down. We will be like any other school moving up. We will probably get our butts handed to us for a few years until we are able to recruit the talent that exist at that level. The way I have seen fans leaving early for the last couple of years when we were WINNING I expect to see attendance drop off.

Plus one. Rep point.

[JCline0429]

Wow, that's a really ambitious schedule the Niners put together for the next couple of years. No wonder they are so proud of themselves

This would make an interesting case study on how to build a fan base.

1. Does an easy schedule = wins = increase in fans?

Or

2. Does an easy schedule = bad opponents = fan apathy

IMO it's riskier than that. UNCC is selling that they're big time, many in their fanbase will expect wins vs those teams. Imagine if they have a losing season, say only 3-4 wins or less. It wont be pretty.

With the weak schedule tey have the first year, they should at least be .500.

[bcoach]

I don't know. For a team that has never played a game I don't see that as so weak. There are teams in that schedule that we play or have played and we have been around a long time.

[JCline0429]

I don't know. For a team that has never played a game I don't see that as so weak. There are teams in that schedule that we play or have played and we have been around a long time.

We've played them but not an entire slate of them.

[3rd]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

[JCline0429]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

One thing I envy is that Campbell has a law school and we
do not.

[3rd]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

One thing I envy is that Campbell has a law school and we
do not.

Interesting fact is that their law school is not on campus in Harnett County anymore it was moved to Raleigh a few years ago

[BeauFoster]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

One thing I envy is that Campbell has a law school and we
do not.

Having a lower tier law school isn't much to be proud of. There are other prof schools that would benefit ASU much more in both the short the and long term. Sure, there is expanded earning potential from alumni, but not nearly what you would expect.

[Gonzo]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

One thing I envy is that Campbell has a law school and we
do not.

Having a lower tier law school isn't much to be proud of. There are other prof schools that would benefit ASU much more in both the short the and long term. Sure, there is expanded earning potential from alumni, but not nearly what you would expect.

Campbell's Norman Adrian Wiggins SOL is an excellent law school. Not as prestigious as Duke/UNC/Wake obviously, but much more renowned than Elon or Charlotte Law (as far as NC law schools go). They've been around a while and have a large alumni pool. I wouldn't call it lower tier.

The general consensus would likley rank NC law schools as follows:

Duke
UNC
Wake
Campbell
NCCU
Elon
Charlotte SOL

And yes there are too many law schools in this state.

[BeauFoster]

Campbell's Norman Adrian Wiggins SOL is an excellent law school. Not as prestigious as Duke/UNC/Wake obviously, but much more renowned than Elon or Charlotte Law (as far as NC law schools go). They've been around a while and have a large alumni pool. I wouldn't call it lower tier.

The general consensus would likley rank NC law schools as follows:

Duke
UNC
Wake
Campbell
NCCU
Elon
Charlotte SOL

And yes there are too many law schools in this state.

Of your list, the first 3 are considered "top-tier"...none of the rest would garner that designation. Can one get a job with a JD from Campbell? Sure, but it's still a tier 3/4 school. There's nothing wrong with that designation, but the median income for a Wiggins grad is ~$52k. I'd wager a guess that our CPA program has a similar or higher initial median income.

Campbell's Pharma school, on the other hand, does make me jealous. That program, in Boone, would benefit the University and region.

[Gonzo]

Campbell's Norman Adrian Wiggins SOL is an excellent law school. Not as prestigious as Duke/UNC/Wake obviously, but much more renowned than Elon or Charlotte Law (as far as NC law schools go). They've been around a while and have a large alumni pool. I wouldn't call it lower tier.

The general consensus would likley rank NC law schools as follows:

Duke
UNC
Wake
Campbell
NCCU
Elon
Charlotte SOL

And yes there are too many law schools in this state.

Of your list, the first 3 are considered "top-tier"...none of the rest would garner that designation. Can one get a job with a JD from Campbell? Sure, but it's still a tier 3/4 school. There's nothing wrong with that designation, but the median income for a Wiggins grad is ~$52k. I'd wager a guess that our CPA program has a similar or higher initial median income.

Campbell's Pharma school, on the other hand, does make me jealous. That program, in Boone, would benefit the University and region.

Fair enough, but you said "lower tier law school isn't much to be proud of" and it seemed like a bit of an exaggeration. Personally I'd rather go to NCCU SOL .

[Maddog1956]

Of your list, the first 3 are considered "top-tier"...none of the rest would garner that designation. Can one get a job with a JD from Campbell? Sure, but it's still a tier 3/4 school. There's nothing wrong with that designation, but the median income for a Wiggins grad is ~$52k. I'd wager a guess that our CPA program has a similar or higher initial median income.

Campbell's Pharma school, on the other hand, does make me jealous. That program, in Boone, would benefit the University and region.

While APP had several schools to be proud of (insert your own school here) it was notably behind in Medical and Law. The nursing program is certainly a positive improvement, but it should really press for more in that area, not just for revenue, prestige, etc but for the region as well.

Law not only adds prestige but I would be a huge money maker as well. It doesn't need the labs etc that are required for the medical training.

It's hard to base anything on median income of grad's. An accountant at $52, is near the top of average salary range ($61k) while a lawyer at $52k has plenty of room for growth ($112k). I do agree however that APP's CPS school has been one of the best in the country for years. It's grad's are always some of the top scoring on the CPA exam.

[bcoach]

I don't know. For a team that has never played a game I don't see that as so weak. There are teams in that schedule that we play or have played and we have been around a long time.

We've played them but not an entire slate of them.

We are also not in our very first year.

[BeauFoster]

While APP had several schools to be proud of (insert your own school here) it was notably behind in Medical and Law. The nursing program is certainly a positive improvement, but it should really press for more in that area, not just for revenue, prestige, etc but for the region as well.

Law not only adds prestige but I would be a huge money maker as well. It doesn't need the labs etc that are required for the medical training.

It's hard to base anything on median income of grad's. An accountant at $52, is near the top of average salary range ($61k) while a lawyer at $52k has plenty of room for growth ($112k). I do agree however that APP's CPS school has been one of the best in the country for years. It's grad's are always some of the top scoring on the CPA exam.

I'm all for adding professional schools in Boone, and I believe that they would open up a previously untapped monetary resource for the school, but Law would be the last on the list, IMO. For one, a law school is only prestigious if the degree is of pedigree - that takes many many years to earn (not saying it couldn't be done). Also, with the sheer number of JD programs in NC at this time, adding another would further dilute the field. Not to mention that something like 18% of new grads don't find work within 12 months, meaning we won't see an immediate realization of $'s (many lower ranked schools are struggling to place 50% of their grads - regardless of bar status). All in all, I don't think a Law School fits in Boone. There are numerous programs that do, however, and I'm confident that CPeacock is doing his all to get those wheels turning.

[JCline0429]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

One thing I envy is that Campbell has a law school and we
do not.

Having a lower tier law school isn't much to be proud of. There are other prof schools that would benefit ASU much more in both the short the and long term. Sure, there is expanded earning potential from alumni, but not nearly what you would expect.

Unortunately, it is better han the law school we don't have.

[appst89]

Do yall understand Campbell is almost at the level of Liberty? and im not talking about the football team

One thing I envy is that Campbell has a law school and we
do not.

Having a lower tier law school isn't much to be proud of. There are other prof schools that would benefit ASU much more in both the short the and long term. Sure, there is expanded earning potential from alumni, but not nearly what you would expect.

Unortunately, it is better han the law school we don't have.

That's not necessarily true. I'd rather not have one at all than to have one that was poorly regarded.

[GoAppsGo92]

When was the last time we had 9K at a sporting event other than football?

If we were a one-trick pony like UNCC, we might see such support for basketball.

Just saying, how can you expect to exceed 15,000 when you're not even sure that many fans exist at all?

Anyone who has seen our basketball teams play might argue we are a one trick pony. Yes baseball had a good season last year, but one year does not a success make. I think it is funny how people on this board seem to have to belittle other schools programs in order to make theirs seem important. The truth of the matter is UNCC will be like any other school starting out. They will have ups and down. We will be like any other school moving up. We will probably get our butts handed to us for a few years until we are able to recruit the talent that exist at that level. The way I have seen fans leaving early for the last couple of years when we were WINNING I expect to see attendance drop off.

Plus one. Rep point.

You might want to check our men's and women's conference cup standings over the last 20 years before you call us a one-trick pony.

[JCline0429]

When was the last time we had 9K at a sporting event other than football?

If we were a one-trick pony like UNCC, we might see such support for basketball.

Just saying, how can you expect to exceed 15,000 when you're not even sure that many fans exist at all?

Anyone who has seen our basketball teams play might argue we are a one trick pony. Yes baseball had a good season last year, but one year does not a success make. I think it is funny how people on this board seem to have to belittle other schools programs in order to make theirs seem important. The truth of the matter is UNCC will be like any other school starting out. They will have ups and down. We will be like any other school moving up. We will probably get our butts handed to us for a few years until we are able to recruit the talent that exist at that level. The way I have seen fans leaving early for the last couple of years when we were WINNING I expect to see attendance drop off.

Plus one. Rep point.

You might want to check our men's and women's conference cup standings over the last 20 years before you call us a one-trick pony.

You need to address that post to chipman.

[MAD Doctor]

Chowan? Really? Was East Coast Barber College, ITT Tech, or Kay Kiser's College of Musical Knowledge not available? Wouldn't make reservations at the University Hilton for Herbstreet just yet.

[AppinVA]

Chowan? Really? Was East Coast Barber College, ITT Tech, or Kay Kiser's College of Musical Knowledge not available? Wouldn't make reservations at the University Hilton for Herbstreet just yet.

A Kay Kiser reference. You win the interwebs for the night.