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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by asumike83 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:42 am

Kgfish wrote:Didn't watch it, don't care to. You can find him funny or irritating, but if you take him seriously, yes. The guy is nothing more than an entertainer with a shtick that appeals to the fringe left. It landed him a HBO gig and the adoration of the wacko left. He figured out it is easy to make a buck off of people's political emotions.
He is to the wacko left what Rush Limbaugh is to the wacko right. I find both of them occasionally amusing but typically irritating. Both are pompous and condescending but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

As for Liberty, I'm honestly not thrilled about them as a potential conference mate but if JMU is not interested, it looks like they are next. The positives are that it would help from a travel standpoint and they do have excellent facilities. I'd love to see a ballgame in their new baseball stadium, that place looks incredible.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by hapapp » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:57 am

One can diss Bill Maher but to compare him to Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a stretch. At least on his show he has reputable guests from both sides of the aisle. He is rude and crude and does look for the shock value but he at least has some serious discussion on his HBO show.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:03 am

Kgfish wrote: I've never looked at Creationism as science. It is a belief. Science does not have any indisputable proof the universe started with the Big Bang. It also has no indisputable evidence evolution is responsible for mankind. Evolutionary theory is based upon continuous mutations in various life forms bringing about larger numbers of transitional life forms. The indisputable fact is no transitionals between any two successful species, fossil or living, have ever been observed. Darwin began the whole idea knowing he had no proof and hoped someone would uncover fossil evidence to prove his theory. Hasn't happened. Evolution is nothing more than an exclusively subjective theory that has yet to produce any empirical evidence to support it. A theory that continues to be presented as fact based purely on subjective peer support. In that sense evolution is no different than Creationism in that one has the believe something that can not be proven.

While I do not dispute species adapted to ever changing eco systems through the ages, there is no empirical evidence to support humans evolved from fish or apes. It just isn't there. It seems quite clear the only way life could have originated is from a supreme being, aka God.

My point is we need to separate athletics from theology and play ball. Liberty doesn't refuse to affiliate themselves with secular schools, so why discriminate against them?
It always makes me laugh to hear someone say that "Science does not have any indisputable proof", so I elect to believe something without any proof at all, however I'd hate to be a juror on a trial with them.

"Yes I know he was standing there smelling of gas, with a receipt for matches in his pocket and the door was locked, but there is no indisputable proof that he started the fire. It's just as likely that a ghost did it"

But everyone is free to believe what they want and I defend their right to say it.

It does however make me question how do we define college/university since that is the heart of who we should play sports against. Since the NCAA doesn't seem to apply any test of teaching "generally accepted science" to decide who is a college and who isn't, I don't see how we can. I think it's accepted that anyone that calls themselves a university "is one". So I think the point becomes who would be competitive. However if the issue was letting a Islamic school into the conference would ppl feel the same? But at this point, I personally don't have a problem playing anyone that can field a competitive team and one in this area would be better.
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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by asumike83 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:09 am

hapapp wrote:One can diss Bill Maher but to compare him to Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a stretch. At least on his show he has reputable guests from both sides of the aisle. He is rude and crude and does look for the shock value but he at least has some serious discussion on his HBO show.
I was more referring to how each of them go for the shock value and have the undying loyalty of those to the extreme left/right, not so much the content of their shows. I honestly don't watch/listen to either of them enough to make that comparsion.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:13 am

hapapp wrote:One can diss Bill Maher but to compare him to Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a stretch. At least on his show he has reputable guests from both sides of the aisle. He is rude and crude and does look for the shock value but he at least has some serious discussion on his HBO show.
I think that anyone that had seen his HBO show would agree. That's how he books Republican as well as Democrats. It does lean heavily to the left, but he does give both sides a forum. I have never listened to Rush but have never heard of him having any guest that didn't agree with him on. Also Bill admits his drug use while Rush just hides his :lol:

Also Bill will even say that he wants a Republican to watch his (our country's) money, but to stay out of the social issues. My view is he's a democrat by default.
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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by GlassOnion » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:15 am

Can we please get the thread split 89?

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Appsolutely » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:17 am

"I don't get to every home game. I have to pick and choose. I know I would not travel to Liberty to see ASU play unless it was a free ticket. I would put them at the bottom of my list to see in Boone. LIberty needs to be in a Conference with Oral Roberts and Bob Jones and a few other schools of their ilk. I am not saying they need to be kicked out of the NCAA (unless they lose accreditation, which it would not bother me if they did.) but I would prefer they be off in a corner and let their conf champion out to play and that's it."--McLeansvilleApp

I think JMU mirrors us in many ways, and I would be delighted to see them join the Sun Belt. However, if it is Liberty, I will not be attending games in Lynchburg. This would be a purely personal decision on my part; I have no interest in starting or joining any group "boycott." I hold out hope that JMU will join, as I would gladly return to Harrisonburg for future games.
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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by asumike83 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:18 am

GlassOnion wrote:Can we please get the thread split 89?
My bad... never should have brought Rush into this discussion. :oops:

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by GlassOnion » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:24 am

asumike83 wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:Can we please get the thread split 89?
My bad... never should have brought Rush into this discussion. :oops:
No need to apologize Mike, its just the natural evolution of conversation.

Im just simple minded, and trying to follow 3 boards and 7 threads at once, :? .

I probably shouldnt have mentioned evolution...

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:25 am

asumike83 wrote:
hapapp wrote:One can diss Bill Maher but to compare him to Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a stretch. At least on his show he has reputable guests from both sides of the aisle. He is rude and crude and does look for the shock value but he at least has some serious discussion on his HBO show.
I was more referring to how each of them go for the shock value and have the undying loyalty of those to the extreme left/right, not so much the content of their shows. I honestly don't watch/listen to either of them enough to make that comparsion.
They are both pigs.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Gonzo » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:30 am

GlassOnion wrote: Im just simple minded, and trying to follow 3 boards and 7 threads at once, :? .
I know, right? Plus the whole, doing my job thing :roll:

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by GlassOnion » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:31 am

Gonzo wrote:
GlassOnion wrote: Im just simple minded, and trying to follow 3 boards and 7 threads at once, :? .
I know, right? Plus the whole, doing my job thing :roll:
Thats so far in the back of my mind I didnt even feel the need to mention it. :lol:

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by bcoach » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:32 am

I am no defender of Liberty as an institution but if you can't accept their sports because of what they say and DO then how the heck can you watch the pros? I'm done because again I don't much care about their school but if we don't get JMU I hope we get them only because of distance.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:40 am

GlassOnion wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
GlassOnion wrote: Im just simple minded, and trying to follow 3 boards and 7 threads at once, :? .
I know, right? Plus the whole, doing my job thing :roll:
Thats so far in the back of my mind I didnt even feel the need to mention it. :lol:
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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by JTApps1 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:41 am

There is no doubt that JMU is the better choice of the two schools (it seems they are the only two real options at this time), but Liberty would still be beneficial to App in some ways. We have to make sure the next addition is close to us for travel purposes (team and fans), and Liberty would give us a conference mate even closer than JMU. They have the money and facilities in place so they look the part, but I do worry about their on the field performance in football. They've been getting better the past few years, but they still haven't done much outside of the Big South. Hopefully the new staff will fix that.

If JMU believes they are too good for the Sun Belt then so be it. I hope they aren't making a huge mistake to wait on another invite that never comes. However, JMU getting into the MAC might actually work out better for us in the long haul. We could establish a consistent (maybe yearly) rivalry game with them which would help with scheduling. Add in WKU, UNCC, ODU, MTSU, Marshall, USM, and ECU to form a very good list of nearby peer schools to play OOC games against.

I know some of you are completely against Liberty, but who else would realistically be a better fit for us if JMU stays put? The only other school in the "east" that is even a possibility at this point is Jacksonville State, but the current Sun Belt schools seem to have no desire to add them. If UTC had their act together they might work, but we don't know if they even want to move up.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by GlassOnion » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:48 am

The realignments wont end soon. If UTC gets off their a$$, they could be positioned to move up in 5 years or so. They have a chance to rule the Socon without GSU and App. If they start winning titles, there is no telling how much they could grow.

Liberty, JMU, and UTC, would all be nice bus trips.

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by JTApps1 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:54 am

How about this for a 2015 schedule. 6 home games, 6 road games (3 maybe 4 of which are very drivable), and 1 neutral in CLT.

Looks pretty inviting to me.

ECU @ Bank of America Stadium
@Clemson (or any Big 5 school)
UNCC
@ JMU
@Ga. State
USA
@UL-L
Ark St.
@Troy
Ga. Southern
@UL-M
Liberty

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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Maddog1956 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:18 am

JTApps1 wrote:How about this for a 2015 schedule. 6 home games, 6 road games (3 maybe 4 of which are very drivable), and 1 neutral in CLT.

Looks pretty inviting to me.

ECU @ Bank of America Stadium
@Clemson (or any Big 5 school)
UNCC
@ JMU
@Ga. State
USA
@UL-L
Ark St.
@Troy
Ga. Southern
@UL-M
Liberty
Personally it would be nice to open the season at home, since it would be a new beginning. Also it would be nice to start with a few wins (not saying that ecu is out of the question but a JMU or Ga So. might be easier), I think a mid-season big game would work out better. If we didn't open at home, BOCS would be nice. So maybe...(reverse Ga. Southern and UNCC if we open at home)

UNCC @ Bank of America Stadium
Ga. Southern
@ JMU
Liberty
@Ga. State
USA
@UL-L
Ark St.
@Troy
Any ACC or ECU
@UL-M
WCU (no it won't help us get in the playoffs, but that will pretty much be decided by then)
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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by Kgfish » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:21 am

GlassOnion wrote:The realignments wont end soon. If UTC gets off their a$$, they could be positioned to move up in 5 years or so. They have a chance to rule the Socon without GSU and App. If they start winning titles, there is no telling how much they could grow.

Liberty, JMU, and UTC, would all be nice bus trips.

A very credible source told me the SB contacted Delaware, Towson and JMU to gauge their interest. Towson is dropping sports to stay afloat. Delaware's budget is getting deeper and deeper in the red and needs a new stradium. JMU is in a sticky political situation with a president who has been on the job about a month, extremely high student fees and no other way to fund the move to FBS in the SB.

If true here are the facts as we know them. Only three schools in our neck of the woods have entertained the idea of FBS. JMU, Liberty & Jax State. UTC has been vocal in expressing they have zero interest in FBS. JMU can't make the jum[ so we are left with a choice between Liberty and Jax State. As fans have to consider what is best for ASU athletics. Jax State is 380 miles, about 7 hours from Boone. Liberty is 230 miles or about 4 hours. With all the travel we are already facing it appears the choice is clear.
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Re: JMU, too?

Unread post by GlassOnion » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:39 am

Seems simple. The Belt, for sure needs to grow its pool of potential candidates though. I would definately be talking with MSU and UTC. JMU will eventually be FBS, now or in 5 years.

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