Coaching carousel

[ericsaid]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

Now ESPN reports that Kiffin may have been in Arkansas today as well. Ole Lane looking to get paid this off season.

Will probably stop by Ole Miss on his way back to Boca. Even if I was just at FAU, if I made as much money as Kiffin had by age 30, I might stick it out until an SEC East job opens. Recruiting and trying to be successful against LSU, Alabama, and Auburn with Arkansas doesn't sound like a good time.

Not sure the side of the SEC you're in really impacts recruiting specifically. I imagine that the SEC schools overlap in terms of recruiting regardless of division. No doubt the West has been tougher to compete for division champ in recent years but that will switch also. Georgia is at the same level as Bama and LSU...Auburn is still a bit behind but not much. In the East Florida has exceeded expectations this year (as much as I hate to give them any credit) and is going to catch up with the front runners if things continue. The question is whether Auburn maintains at the front and whether anybody from the East can become a legit third. I guess Tennessee is the most viable candidate but they've got a lot of work to do before they're in the discussion with those other 5.

Honestly, I'm not impressed with Kiffen as a head coach so my personal opinion is that he will ultimately fail regardless of which division. He might as well bank the cash while he can.

He made FAU relevant. I wouldn't discount his ability to do something similar at any SEC school.

[Black Saturday]

I know Drink feels he can win anywhere and most coaches do but right now for a G5 coach like Drink or Norvell to take a job at Arkansas or Ole Miss that is either ego or money or both.

Can't worry though because nothing we can do other than donate.

This is the stupidest freaking argument that somehow gets brought up every offseason

There are some jobs that everyone can see from a mile away are a no win scenario or so brutal that they aren't worth taking. That is the case with those two jobs. I would only say it is about money or ego for Arkansas or Ole Miss because of the current situations there and the fact you are playing for 4th place, at best. I would not touch Arkansas right now. Morris and Bielma are good coaches who could not win there.

You do realize for coaches 90% of the time they move on simply because of money, right? The WVU coach left for Houston because they paid him more. If we had 5-6M a year to pay our HC then Satterfield would not have left. He left only for money.

Why did Jimbo Fisher leave Florida State if not for money? I mean FSU is a great job but they don't pay as much as Texas A&M was willing to pay.

FSU is an ideal job and if I'm Drink or Norvell I take it but I don't see the allure of Arkansas and Ole Miss at this point. They have had good times in the past but they are jobs that you need to get paid 6-7M to make it worth the work you have to do there.

Money is the driving force for all these jobs. If App State had the money and paid 10M a year then we could get just about any coach we want. Money drives everything. Drink came here to advance his career and make more money than he did before. He would leave for the same reason. It is all about money these days.

Talk about Captain Obvious commentary. You come across as if you are enlightening everyone. Of course it's about money. It was then, it is now and it will be in the future. Everybody knows the score.

If this hasn't been mentioned, Napier is a leader for Ole Miss job. Learned that this morning in his interview with McElroy and Kanell on SiriusXm.

[Appstate88]

Wow 100 posts about coaching carousel hypotheticals. Thats more than enough for me. Let’s enjoy the ride, focus on ULL, generate positive energy for our team, coaches and fan base. Go Apps! See you on the Mountain Saturday.

[AppStFan1]

This is the stupidest freaking argument that somehow gets brought up every offseason

There are some jobs that everyone can see from a mile away are a no win scenario or so brutal that they aren't worth taking. That is the case with those two jobs. I would only say it is about money or ego for Arkansas or Ole Miss because of the current situations there and the fact you are playing for 4th place, at best. I would not touch Arkansas right now. Morris and Bielma are good coaches who could not win there.

You do realize for coaches 90% of the time they move on simply because of money, right? The WVU coach left for Houston because they paid him more. If we had 5-6M a year to pay our HC then Satterfield would not have left. He left only for money.

Why did Jimbo Fisher leave Florida State if not for money? I mean FSU is a great job but they don't pay as much as Texas A&M was willing to pay.

FSU is an ideal job and if I'm Drink or Norvell I take it but I don't see the allure of Arkansas and Ole Miss at this point. They have had good times in the past but they are jobs that you need to get paid 6-7M to make it worth the work you have to do there.

Money is the driving force for all these jobs. If App State had the money and paid 10M a year then we could get just about any coach we want. Money drives everything. Drink came here to advance his career and make more money than he did before. He would leave for the same reason. It is all about money these days.

Yes, obviously money is a huge factor in coaching changes, maybe the biggest one.

People here always act like every team that's down now is a dumpster fire where you can never win. They said that about Louisville even though they'd been to multiple BCS bowls and were two years removed from a Heisman winner. Ole Miss and Arkansas have both gone to the Sugar Bowl in the last decade. They're not elite jobs, but it can be done.

Jimbo was frustrated with FSU because they couldn't or wouldn't provide him with every insane recruiting amenity that the SEC does. And because their athletic department is dysfunctional. And because fans were starting to notice that his program was slipping into mediocrity, and he didn't like the heat.

Holgorsen had been shopping himself around to any P5 that would listen because he wanted out of WVU. He had personal ties with the city of Houston and with either the AD or a big booster there (can't remember the exact story), and they could pay enough for him to justify leaving a P5 for a G5.

It can be done for sure. My reasoning is more that look at the current state of the SEC West. These ADs pay big time money and don't give a coach 5-6 years to truly turn things around and get there. My comment is that why go to a place in the SEC West when you can go to the ACC or SEC East where you can win and at least be the 2nd best team. You are playing for 4th or 5th in the SEC West now.

Louisville is a place you can win at. It is not a bad job but not elite either. I look at Louisville as a very good ACC program. They aren't FSU or Clemson but can be a top 25 team for sure.

As for those two coaches those are the reasons why they looked around but the schools they went to have more money and thus paid the buyouts and gave them big time raises.

What you said about FSU is why I would not go to South Carolina, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and some of these other places. They have awful administrations and the only reason to take those jobs under the current climate/regime at those places is for the money.

My man, if you were for some reason coaching App State for $750k/year and then Arkansas, South Carolina, or Ole Miss came calling for 5 years/$30 million you know damn well what you would do. Y’all kill me around here with this morality play y’all constantly throw out. Lol it’s so annoying watching y’all try to talk yourselves into this idea that an App State coach isn’t going to jump ship for a top 35 program.

Like I said though, it is all about the money. We all know these coaches would do what you said. For me, at 26 years old, I most certainly would have but as you get over 40 you understand that more money can mean more problems sometimes. I would gladly jump to a job for 4-5M a year but I would not go to some school with an inept AD and President and a place that is known for being a coaching graveyard.

For many jobs it is about fit. I don't think you just take any job because you don't want to be set up to fail. If I met with the AD and felt like it would not fit and I would want out in a year or so I would wait. I think coaches over 45 or 50 that have been a HC before feel the same way most of the time. Young guys like Drink are looking for the payday. When young you feel like if I can make so much I can retire before I'm 40 then I can start taking jobs more for fit than money later on.

[yosef69]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

[Yosef84]

Old Miss already has a target on the ground, and it doesn’t appear to be Drink (most think Kiffin).

If you get nervous about these things, might as well stay that way for about a month. In reality, there’s not squat we can do about it tonight, so settle in and enjoy the ride we’re currently on.

And donate to Yosef.

Now ESPN reports that Kiffin may have been in Arkansas today as well. Ole Lane looking to get paid this off season.

Will probably stop by Ole Miss on his way back to Boca. Even if I was just at FAU, if I made as much money as Kiffin had by age 30, I might stick it out until an SEC East job opens. Recruiting and trying to be successful against LSU, Alabama, and Auburn with Arkansas doesn't sound like a good time.

Not sure the side of the SEC you're in really impacts recruiting specifically. I imagine that the SEC schools overlap in terms of recruiting regardless of division. No doubt the West has been tougher to compete for division champ in recent years but that will switch also. Georgia is at the same level as Bama and LSU...Auburn is still a bit behind but not much. In the East Florida has exceeded expectations this year (as much as I hate to give them any credit) and is going to catch up with the front runners if things continue. The question is whether Auburn maintains at the front and whether anybody from the East can become a legit third. I guess Tennessee is the most viable candidate but they've got a lot of work to do before they're in the discussion with those other 5.

Honestly, I'm not impressed with Kiffen as a head coach so my personal opinion is that he will ultimately fail regardless of which division. He might as well bank the cash while he can.

He made FAU relevant. I wouldn't discount his ability to do something similar at any SEC school.

Yes, he's done pretty well competing in CUSA but even against that competition he's hardly been dominant. I'm not sure how relevant they are outside of CUSA. He was completely unimpressive at Tennessee and USC where he had huge budgets to work with. He has a very good offensive mind but I don't think he functions well in the big chair. I've got no crystal ball though so it's just an opinion.

[AppStFan1]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

[Mjohn1988]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

[EastHallApp]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

[BeauFoster]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

It's worked well for them because of their football culture. It may not work everywhere, but I'd have to think that we have built a sustained culture of winning over the last decade that could breed some winners.

Not that you're saying this exact thing, but simply hiring one guy because the last guy was a winner doesn't guarantee the winning continues.

[AppStFan1]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

It's worked well for them because of their football culture. It may not work everywhere, but I'd have to think that we have built a sustained culture of winning over the last decade that could breed some winners.

Not that you're saying this exact thing, but simply hiring one guy because the last guy was a winner doesn't guarantee the winning continues.

To me we can do that with Shawn Clark or go get Mark Ivey. Either one of them would be fine with me.

[EastHallApp]

Memphis is paying norvell 1.6 mm. Looks like he about to go to FSU. Do you guys think we could get anywhere near that to try and keep drink from their nasty AAC paws? Also concerned about cincy and we can not come close to matching Fickells 2.4mm salary.

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

It's worked well for them because of their football culture. It may not work everywhere, but I'd have to think that we have built a sustained culture of winning over the last decade that could breed some winners.

Not that you're saying this exact thing, but simply hiring one guy because the last guy was a winner doesn't guarantee the winning continues.

Definitely not. But it's much easier to maintain continuity of that culture if you hire someone who's already part of it as opposed to bringing in someone from outside. And perhaps they're at least a bit more choosy in looking for their next opportunity. Of course either way, you need to find someone who's actually good enough to run a program.

Boise also lucked out because Petersen was/is just a different dude. Rare example of a guy who legitimately turned down some more lucrative opportunities to stay where he was. Kind of a football parallel to Mark Few at Gonzaga (for a while anyway).

[The Rock]

Georgia Southern's WR coach resigned. I didn't know they needed one. Probably wont fill his position but instead have a full time chair smasher on staff...

[ericsaid]

Georgia Southern's WR coach resigned. I didn't know they needed one. Probably wont fill his position but instead have a full time chair smasher on staff...

Was likely tired of not having any work to do. What job are you going to land coaching wide receivers on a triple option team?

Resume: "I coached receivers on an offense that doesn't use receivers. They blocked pretty well but couldn't run routes because we didn't need them to"

[ericsaid]

Memphis and Cincy are in a league that makes more money. What you just said is why we go to AAC and there does not have to be a stipulation on it. We would jump for sure and do it quickly if given the chance.

Norvell is going to FSU for sure. That is a done deal almost. Memphis probably will not go after Drink. I would bet they hire a big time FCS coach or a G5 OC or promote from within.

To answer though no we could not match if they wanted him but I bet they would have to offer 2M or so because of the buyout. Drink would not bolt to just take home like 200-300k more after taxes if he has to move. I could see him doing so if the salary was more like what Cincy pays though.

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

It's worked well for them because of their football culture. It may not work everywhere, but I'd have to think that we have built a sustained culture of winning over the last decade that could breed some winners.

Not that you're saying this exact thing, but simply hiring one guy because the last guy was a winner doesn't guarantee the winning continues.

Definitely not. But it's much easier to maintain continuity of that culture if you hire someone who's already part of it as opposed to bringing in someone from outside. And perhaps they're at least a bit more choosy in looking for their next opportunity. Of course either way, you need to find someone who's actually good enough to run a program.

Boise also lucked out because Petersen was/is just a different dude. Rare example of a guy who legitimately turned down some more lucrative opportunities to stay where he was. Kind of a football parallel to Mark Few at Gonzaga (for a while anyway).

His move to Washington had more to do with his kid than it had to do with the job, didn't it?

[EastHallApp]

Again, we really need to look hard at Boise. 3 coaches in 15 years and they just keep wining. What are they doing right?

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

It's worked well for them because of their football culture. It may not work everywhere, but I'd have to think that we have built a sustained culture of winning over the last decade that could breed some winners.

Not that you're saying this exact thing, but simply hiring one guy because the last guy was a winner doesn't guarantee the winning continues.

Definitely not. But it's much easier to maintain continuity of that culture if you hire someone who's already part of it as opposed to bringing in someone from outside. And perhaps they're at least a bit more choosy in looking for their next opportunity. Of course either way, you need to find someone who's actually good enough to run a program.

Boise also lucked out because Petersen was/is just a different dude. Rare example of a guy who legitimately turned down some more lucrative opportunities to stay where he was. Kind of a football parallel to Mark Few at Gonzaga (for a while anyway).

His move to Washington had more to do with his kid than it had to do with the job, didn't it?

I don't know the exact details, but I believe that's correct. Not necessarily that he left Boise for UW because of that, but more that he wanted/needed to stay in that part of the country, and the UW job allowed him to do that and still coach at a P5.

[TheMoody1]

Ron Rivera fired. Maybe he gets a college job.

[AppStFan1]

Promoting internally/hiring "in the family."

It's worked well for them because of their football culture. It may not work everywhere, but I'd have to think that we have built a sustained culture of winning over the last decade that could breed some winners.

Not that you're saying this exact thing, but simply hiring one guy because the last guy was a winner doesn't guarantee the winning continues.

Definitely not. But it's much easier to maintain continuity of that culture if you hire someone who's already part of it as opposed to bringing in someone from outside. And perhaps they're at least a bit more choosy in looking for their next opportunity. Of course either way, you need to find someone who's actually good enough to run a program.

Boise also lucked out because Petersen was/is just a different dude. Rare example of a guy who legitimately turned down some more lucrative opportunities to stay where he was. Kind of a football parallel to Mark Few at Gonzaga (for a while anyway).

His move to Washington had more to do with his kid than it had to do with the job, didn't it?

I don't know the exact details, but I believe that's correct. Not necessarily that he left Boise for UW because of that, but more that he wanted/needed to stay in that part of the country, and the UW job allowed him to do that and still coach at a P5.

I did not remember exact details but that does sound right. I would think a guy like him could get a high level P5 job and Washington is a low level type job.

[ericsaid]

Ron Rivera fired. Maybe he gets a college job.

Josh McDaniel rumored already as a replacement. Wouldn't be mad at it.

[NavyApp]

Ron Rivera fired. Maybe he gets a college job.

Josh McDaniel rumored already as a replacement. Wouldn't be mad at it.

Please No! For whatever reason Belichecks assistants don't seem to pan out. Yes they normally walk into dumpster fires, but there is not one branch(outside of Saban) I get excited about.