Rankings December 1

[AppStFan1]

agree. But I would honestly think with a healthy team, App finished second in the ACC this year. VT and a healthy Wake (with Surratt) would be the only teams that would concern me.

Agree here.

[ah59396]

Wow

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

Well, there goes any hope of the Cotton Bowl...whoever wins AAC will go. Maybe if we beat UL by 50 they'll bump us up.

[citroknight]

Looks like App is effectively eliminated with both Memphis and Cincinnati ahead of you guys. Still, a fantastic season and a chance to finish top 20 and build for next year.

With Cincy just one spot behind Boise, it makes me wonder if the AAC is a lock no matter what because a win over Memphis counts more than one over Hawaii.

[appgrad95&97]

I get that no one cares what I think, but this seems fair. I think Cincinnati is better than we are. The one thing that scares me a little is the "P6" thing may be true.

[AppStAlum2007]

I get that no one cares what I think, but this seems fair. I think Cincinnati is better than we are. The one thing that scares me a little is the "P6" thing may be true.

I would have loved to see App play Cincinnati in a bowl game this year. I truly believe App is the better team but we'll never know.

[AppStFan1]

Looks like App is effectively eliminated with both Memphis and Cincinnati ahead of you guys. Still, a fantastic season and a chance to finish top 20 and build for next year.

With Cincy just one spot behind Boise, it makes me wonder if the AAC is a lock no matter what because a win over Memphis counts more than one over Hawaii.

I have been saying since the GSU loss that we have no shot. Some on this board have kept saying we have a shot and think we are kill joys for saying we don't. It was just the truth. We had to go undefeated and the AAC Champ must have two losses.

[AppStFan1]

I get that no one cares what I think, but this seems fair. I think Cincinnati is better than we are. The one thing that scares me a little is the "P6" thing may be true.

I would have loved to see App play Cincinnati in a bowl game this year. I truly believe App is the better team but we'll never know.

I would love to play the AAC title game loser if we beat ULL. It would be interesting if that happened and we beat them by like 14-17 while they lost the title game by say 3-7. It would possibly start to flip the script on the whole AAC is the top G5 league by far but we will never know.

[citroknight]

I get that no one cares what I think, but this seems fair. I think Cincinnati is better than we are. The one thing that scares me a little is the "P6" thing may be true.

I would have loved to see App play Cincinnati in a bowl game this year. I truly believe App is the better team but we'll never know.

I would love to play the AAC title game loser if we beat ULL. It would be interesting if that happened and we beat them by like 14-17 while they lost the title game by say 3-7. It would possibly start to flip the script on the whole AAC is the top G5 league by far but we will never know.

Probably won't happen. The AAC has 2-3 P5 tie ins depending on the year so the ccg loser usually gets a chance to get a P5 win.

But I also don't think App beating the loser will flip the script about the AAC. It doesn't undo that 4/6 NY6 bowl spots have gone to this one league with two wins so far and multiple ranked teams at the end of several seasons.

Instead, I think it just builds the reputation of App as a top tier G5 to the mainstream media and fans.

[JMappfan5]

Whichever G5 gets the Cotton Bowl bid needs to either win or have a close loss. G5s need some more credibility. I like having 4 G5s ranked by the CFP. 1-0 baby!!!

[AppStFan1]

I get that no one cares what I think, but this seems fair. I think Cincinnati is better than we are. The one thing that scares me a little is the "P6" thing may be true.

I would have loved to see App play Cincinnati in a bowl game this year. I truly believe App is the better team but we'll never know.

I would love to play the AAC title game loser if we beat ULL. It would be interesting if that happened and we beat them by like 14-17 while they lost the title game by say 3-7. It would possibly start to flip the script on the whole AAC is the top G5 league by far but we will never know.

Probably won't happen. The AAC has 2-3 P5 tie ins depending on the year so the ccg loser usually gets a chance to get a P5 win.

But I also don't think App beating the loser will flip the script about the AAC. It doesn't undo that 4/6 NY6 bowl spots have gone to this one league with two wins so far and multiple ranked teams at the end of several seasons.

Instead, I think it just builds the reputation of App as a top tier G5 to the mainstream media and fans.

Oh yeah when I said flip the script on the AAC I meant for App State. We would need someone other teams from our league to win against good P5 teams and beat their entire OOC for more than just us. As I said, it won't happen but I would love to see it. We need to get that respect and I hope one day the AAC will invite us.

[EastHallApp]

Whichever G5 gets the Cotton Bowl bid needs to either win or have a close loss. G5s need some more credibility. I like having 4 G5s ranked by the CFP. 1-0 baby!!!

I’m gonna be honest: I always root for whatever G5 team makes the NY6, but not this year. If we win Saturday and don’t make it, I hope whatever team does gets absolutely boat raced.

[AppStFan1]

Whichever G5 gets the Cotton Bowl bid needs to either win or have a close loss. G5s need some more credibility. I like having 4 G5s ranked by the CFP. 1-0 baby!!!

I’m gonna be honest: I always root for whatever G5 team makes the NY6, but not this year. If we win Saturday and don’t make it, I hope whatever team does gets absolutely boat raced.

With our 2 P5 games next year I don't think it matters. I hope Memphis wins the AAC and then steamrolls the P5 team. I don't think the committee views a huge gap between us and them but there is one. If we steamroll our bowl opponent and Memphis wins it gives the league more credibility. Memphis is losing a lot of key players. I don't think they will be ahead of us in the preseason next year if we win the next two games convincingly.

[APP93]

Whichever G5 gets the Cotton Bowl bid needs to either win or have a close loss. G5s need some more credibility. I like having 4 G5s ranked by the CFP. 1-0 baby!!!

I’m gonna be honest: I always root for G5 whatever team makes the NY6, but not this year. If we win Saturday and don’t make it, I hope whatever team does gets absolutely boat raced.

I always root for the G5, P5's have to much money and power, so love to see a mid-major beat them, especially on the big stage.

[appst89]

I get that no one cares what I think, but this seems fair. I think Cincinnati is better than we are. The one thing that scares me a little is the "P6" thing may be true.

I think App would beat Cincinnati 7 out of 10 times.

They are P6 only in their minds. The gap in revenue from the lowest P5 conference to the AAC is enormous. They are at the top of the G5, but that's what they are, G5.

[hotrod2001]

Silver lining here folks:

Honestly who out there thought this time last year we'd be complaining that we weren't going to the NY6 COTTON BOWL?



As I said in a previous post, we now know where the ceiling is for this team, and its essentially the same ceiling that Boise State, UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU and the other G5's have (barring a 3-season undefeated streak with multiple wins over ranked opponents, which so far none of those teams have managed to sustain) and we did it within the Sun Belt. Outside of those living on Planet Delusion who think the ACC is going to offer us an invite in ten years, this is where we wanted to get to. Now we just need to keep the program at this level regardless of who is playing or who is coaching and make it so our name is always in the conversation.

[AppUSMC]

So in all the negativity about us not jumping Cinci, nobody seems to have noticed that we jumped USC and UVA didn’t jump us after beating top 25 VT.

We’re building our brand still y’all. We’re in the conversation and it’s starting to feel like we belong in the top 25 consistently. This is an unprecedented time to be an App State fan! We are truly becoming the Boise of the East.

With that said, we should be #20 and Cinci #21. We would beat Cinci without a doubt.

[EastHallApp]

So in all the negativity about us not jumping Cinci, nobody seems to have noticed that we jumped USC and UVA didn’t jump us after beating top 25 VT.

We’re building our brand still y’all. We’re in the conversation and it’s starting to feel like we belong in the top 25 consistently. This is an unprecedented time to be an App State fan! We are truly becoming the Boise of the East.

With that said, we should be #20 and Cinci #21. We would beat Cinci without a doubt.

Classic CFP move really - put a few P5s ahead of us when they needed to maintain a gap between us and the AAC/Boise, then give the illusion of throwing us a bone by moving us ahead of them AFTER Cincy loses (but stays ahead of us).

Now if we win Saturday, when ESPN asks the committee chair how they decided who got the G5 bid (assuming they devote a minute or two to that during their 17 hours of "analyzing" the CFP), he can say something like "it was a really close call, they were all great teams, but ultimately we felt like (Memphis/Cincy/Boise)'s resume was just a little better." When really, IMO, they were never going to pick us once we lost to GS.

[hapapp]

I think Cincy is a quality team and no doubt would present a tough challenge. I won't predict how many times out of 10 we would win because we don't really have any measuring stick. I do think, however, that based on the fact that they didn't face either Navy or SMU negates all the talk about how tough the AAC quality-wise. Moreover, they barely beat some of the weaker teams on their schedule. Given that, its difficult for me to understand how they are 20 and we are 21.

The reality is, we weren't likely to get to Dallas with both Memphis and Boise ahead of us. Its not that we've been deprived of our opportunity to make the Cotton Bowl, its the fact that the committee has essentially guaranteed the AAC will be the G5 rep.

[bigdaddyg]

I think Cincy is a quality team and no doubt would present a tough challenge. I won't predict how many times out of 10 we would win because we don't really have any measuring stick. I do think, however, that based on the fact that they didn't face either Navy or SMU negates all the talk about how tough the AAC quality-wise. Moreover, they barely beat some of the weaker teams on their schedule. Given that, its difficult for me to understand how they are 20 and we are 21.

The reality is, we weren't likely to get to Dallas with both Memphis and Boise ahead of us. Its not that we've been deprived of our opportunity to make the Cotton Bowl, its the fact that the committee has essentially guaranteed the AAC will be the G5 rep.

The committee could have made one slight change which would have made the entire decision more equitable. Keep Memphis where they are because they might be the top dog right now. Hate to say it but probably keep Boise ahead of us for now. They should have dropped Cincinnati below us simply because they lost. They should be at around 25 this week. Now after the championship games they could make a more fair decision. If Memphis takes out Cincinnati they get the slot. If App wins big but Cincinnati barely beats Memphis and Boise barely beats Hawaii we should get serious consideration. A close App win coupled with a significant Cincinnati win probably pushes either the Bearcats or Boise ahead but bottom line, ranking Cincinnati ahead of us this week was stupid. They will have a lot of explaining to do but I agree with the expected response listed above. It was a tough decision and all of the teams looked really good but team X just had a better body of work.