Who stays, who goes?

[Appstate88]

Great hire. I really like the Nic Caldwell choice. He can really pump those players up and with Clark’s oversight, he’ll be able to get the OL job done.

[Yosef10]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am sure that SC asked about those stints during his vetting process. If he was satisfied with the answers then that is good enough for me.

What opinion am i sharing? Literally just sharing info about the guys past.

Ok. You are strongly suggesting that he is not a good hire based on the fact we was “demoted”. You are concerned that we will regress because of his so called inabilities. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim as to why he lost play calling duties? Dude has been a coach for almost thirty years and an OC/Co OC at four schools. That doesn’t happen if you don’t know what you are doing. I’m sure that Clark vetted this with those who are in the know. As I said, you are entitled to feel how you wish about this hire. You may prove to be correct. Based off the information that I have been privy too, I can say that I disagree with your concerns.

I’m really not trying to suggest that, I do believe he could be a really good OC here. After all the glowing reviews I just wanted to throw out some info that might make folks exercise just a little caution. Hadn’t seen anyone else mention that and it’s not an insignificant fact.

Are you looking for the why he was stripped of playcalling or proof that he was? If the latter, https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sport ... /78034264/ here you go. Happened at the next stop too, though I’m obviously not placing all the blame there - Montgomery was over his skis it appeared.

To your point about him being a 4 time co-OC/OC if i was playing devil’s advocate I’d just say yeah but the last 2 when he was the sole OC....

Also, there’s no me proving to be correct, i haven’t made any claims. I think that’s what you are misunderstanding.

I’m 100% behind Petersen. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Zac has his best year under him and I’m definitely not worried about the QB development in the least under Petersens tutelage. My one concern is playcalling ability but I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp on that with the infrastructure in place.

[The Rock]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am sure that SC asked about those stints during his vetting process. If he was satisfied with the answers then that is good enough for me.

What opinion am i sharing? Literally just sharing info about the guys past.

Ok. You are strongly suggesting that he is not a good hire based on the fact we was “demoted”. You are concerned that we will regress because of his so called inabilities. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim as to why he lost play calling duties? Dude has been a coach for almost thirty years and an OC/Co OC at four schools. That doesn’t happen if you don’t know what you are doing. I’m sure that Clark vetted this with those who are in the know. As I said, you are entitled to feel how you wish about this hire. You may prove to be correct. Based off the information that I have been privy too, I can say that I disagree with your concerns.

I’m really not trying to suggest that, I do believe he could be a really good OC here. After all the glowing reviews I just wanted to throw out some info that might make folks exercise just a little caution. Hadn’t seen anyone else mention that and it’s not an insignificant fact.

Are you looking for the why he was stripped of playcalling or proof that he was? If the latter, https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sport ... /78034264/ here you go. Happened at the next stop too, though I’m obviously not placing all the blame there - Montgomery was over his skis it appeared.

To your point about him being a 4 time co-OC/OC if i was playing devil’s advocate I’d just say yeah but the last 2 when he was the sole OC....

Also, there’s no me proving to be correct, i haven’t made any claims. I think that’s what you are misunderstanding.

I’m 100% behind Petersen. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Zac has his best year under him and I’m definitely not worried about the QB development in the least under Petersens tutelage. My one concern is playcalling ability but I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp on that with the infrastructure in place.

100% agree. If he was solely QB coach, I would think it’s an amazing hire, much like if dale jones was LBs, not DC.
I would be less concerned if it was a play calling committee ala Ponce, Clark, Satt. And maybe it will be, but not sure if his offensive philosophies in the past align with our strong suit at this time. Only time will tell, either way, I’m pulling for App to be highly successful

[AppSt94]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am sure that SC asked about those stints during his vetting process. If he was satisfied with the answers then that is good enough for me.

What opinion am i sharing? Literally just sharing info about the guys past.

Ok. You are strongly suggesting that he is not a good hire based on the fact we was “demoted”. You are concerned that we will regress because of his so called inabilities. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim as to why he lost play calling duties? Dude has been a coach for almost thirty years and an OC/Co OC at four schools. That doesn’t happen if you don’t know what you are doing. I’m sure that Clark vetted this with those who are in the know. As I said, you are entitled to feel how you wish about this hire. You may prove to be correct. Based off the information that I have been privy too, I can say that I disagree with your concerns.

I’m really not trying to suggest that, I do believe he could be a really good OC here. After all the glowing reviews I just wanted to throw out some info that might make folks exercise just a little caution. Hadn’t seen anyone else mention that and it’s not an insignificant fact.

Are you looking for the why he was stripped of playcalling or proof that he was? If the latter, https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sport ... /78034264/ here you go. Happened at the next stop too, though I’m obviously not placing all the blame there - Montgomery was over his skis it appeared.

To your point about him being a 4 time co-OC/OC if i was playing devil’s advocate I’d just say yeah but the last 2 when he was the sole OC....

Also, there’s no me proving to be correct, i haven’t made any claims. I think that’s what you are misunderstanding.

I’m 100% behind Petersen. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Zac has his best year under him and I’m definitely not worried about the QB development in the least under Petersens tutelage. My one concern is playcalling ability but I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp on that with the infrastructure in place.

First off, I have no issue with the Devil's advocate stance. I use it all the time. Not to be a contrarian, but to test ones conviction. In fact, I had some reservation about the Braswell hire. But like with Petersen, only time will tell if SC is a good identifier of talent at the coaching ranks. I have little doubt that he is but we will see. He was very methodical with his staff choices so I know that he is committed to winning on the hires.

As for Petersen, the article that you linked made zero mention of why he was being "stripped" of his play calling duties. It only states that Holtz took them over to allow for Petersen to focus on QB development. You can read into that in any number of ways. The article also speaks to the number of assistants that left Holtz during his time at La Tech. To me that is very telling as to how hard it is to work for the man. I live in Tampa and can tell you that they did not like SH down here at USF. The ECU debacle is such a clustermess that you can lay blame pretty much anywhere. I just wouldn't put to much stock into the stats as a predictor of success. Too your point that this has happened at his last two stops is interesting but probably more associate to the situations than the man.

Petersen is going to adapt to what we do and utilize the strengths of our offense. We are not changing the formula. This is guaranteed. We are going to be fine.

[WASU 93]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am sure that SC asked about those stints during his vetting process. If he was satisfied with the answers then that is good enough for me.

What opinion am i sharing? Literally just sharing info about the guys past.

Ok. You are strongly suggesting that he is not a good hire based on the fact we was “demoted”. You are concerned that we will regress because of his so called inabilities. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim as to why he lost play calling duties? Dude has been a coach for almost thirty years and an OC/Co OC at four schools. That doesn’t happen if you don’t know what you are doing. I’m sure that Clark vetted this with those who are in the know. As I said, you are entitled to feel how you wish about this hire. You may prove to be correct. Based off the information that I have been privy too, I can say that I disagree with your concerns.

I’m really not trying to suggest that, I do believe he could be a really good OC here. After all the glowing reviews I just wanted to throw out some info that might make folks exercise just a little caution. Hadn’t seen anyone else mention that and it’s not an insignificant fact.

Are you looking for the why he was stripped of playcalling or proof that he was? If the latter, https://www.thenewsstar.com/story/sport ... /78034264/ here you go. Happened at the next stop too, though I’m obviously not placing all the blame there - Montgomery was over his skis it appeared.

To your point about him being a 4 time co-OC/OC if i was playing devil’s advocate I’d just say yeah but the last 2 when he was the sole OC....

Also, there’s no me proving to be correct, i haven’t made any claims. I think that’s what you are misunderstanding.

I’m 100% behind Petersen. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Zac has his best year under him and I’m definitely not worried about the QB development in the least under Petersens tutelage. My one concern is playcalling ability but I’m in the cautiously optimistic camp on that with the infrastructure in place.

First off, I have no issue with the Devil's advocate stance. I use it all the time. Not to be a contrarian, but to test ones conviction. In fact, I had some reservation about the Braswell hire. But like with Petersen, only time will tell if SC is a good identifier of talent at the coaching ranks. I have little doubt that he is but we will see. He was very methodical with his staff choices so I know that he is committed to winning on the hires.

As for Petersen, the article that you linked made zero mention of why he was being "stripped" of his play calling duties. It only states that Holtz took them over to allow for Petersen to focus on QB development. You can read into that in any number of ways. The article also speaks to the number of assistants that left Holtz during his time at La Tech. To me that is very telling as to how hard it is to work for the man. I live in Tampa and can tell you that they did not like SH down here at USF. The ECU debacle is such a clustermess that you can lay blame pretty much anywhere. I just wouldn't put to much stock into the stats as a predictor of success. Too your point that this has happened at his last two stops is interesting but probably more associate to the situations than the man.

Petersen is going to adapt to what we do and utilize the strengths of our offense. We are not changing the formula. This is guaranteed. We are going to be fine.

I agree 100% with your last sentence. He is going to adapt to our Senior QB, Veteran WR's & TE's and talented RB's. As long as our Line provides the blocking, our offense should be as good, if not better than last year.

Also, in business, sometimes a really good manager doesn't succeed because he/she doesn't have the talent to respond to and carry out the game plan that leadership puts in place. And often, the talent isn't even good enough to get the job done. With our culture and talent level, Petersen could (and hopefully will) shine. Plus, a good coach is always learning from there mistakes and looking for ways to get better.

No one knows how any of our coaching hires will turn out (or what the chemistry will be), but I'm not worried. There's no reason that we can't duplicate our record from this year or even run the table if we play well in Winston-Salem and Madison.

[AppSt94]

I can tell you that chemistry among coaches was high on Clark’s list of priorities when assembling this staff. You are right, in that we can’t predict how they will do, but Shawn’s approach, while maddening to some on here, has been impressive. He has been very purposeful in his endeavor to keep the program on an upward trajectory.

[Yosef84]

I don’t foresee a change either, nor do i want to. But i watched plenty of ECU during Peterson’s time there and that offense was night and day from what we do. I’m not saying i think it’s a dumpster fire of a hire but it’s going to take some serious molding to get him on the same page. It is interesting that this is who Clark landed on after hearing so much about him wanting to hire a guy who could continue on with Satt/Drinkwitz style of offense.

If the only place he coached was ECU then there might cause for concern but he has been a lot of places with different outcomes and apparently styles. In the end, its the HC who determines what the offense looks like.

His last 2 OC jobs he had his play calling duties taken from him. There’s plenty cause for concern. Does that mean it’s a bad hire or Petersen will fail here? No. But all sides need to be examined without black and gold shaded lenses.

Given that this hiring decision has already been made and is not going to change based on message board comments, what exactly is the value of this examination by the fan base? Why do you believe this "needs" to be examined? I'm of the opinion that we fans do not have sufficient information to make that examination and it really provides zero value to the process.

Don't get me wrong. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but it seems that some believe their opinion is only that....an opinion.

I think you and I have an entirely different concept of what a message board is for. I’m not here to cheerlead and wave Pom Pom’s. I’m here to breakdown pretty much every aspect of our athletic department in areas that interest me. This is an area that interests me. I’m not telling Clark his hire sucks and demanding a new hire. Just breaking down the hire based on knowledge I have and looking to have a conversation based off that knowledge. Again, i haven’t even offered an opinion, simply stating facts that Petersen has been demoted in his last 2 jobs. Something tells me if it wasn’t “one of our own” making the hire there would be other semi-skeptics as well. Anyone remember a fella by the name of Ted Roof? I’m certainly hoping Petersen ends up as good a hire as Roof was, and it’s certainly not out of the question that he will be, i just have been providing info and looking at angles that i haven’t seen any other provide.

If that's a lame attempt to diminish my opinion as just a "cheerleader" with "pom poms" (not sure why those are capitalized or possessive), I can assure you there are no pom poms in my home. There's nothing wrong with analysis. Read my comment and the word "need" is the focal point. I do tend to be positive in my posts, especially at this point in the season when a decision has just been made. No, everybody doesn't have to be super excited about every single hire, but the idea that your opinion is "needed" is just pretty delusional if that's your position. Maybe that was just an unfortunate choice of words, but your response implies otherwise. FYI, I took the time to collect actual stats on the performance of Ted Roof's defenses over the past 10 seasons back when the board blew up. The stats didn't support the ridiculous opinions being thrown around. I've never been a football coach, but I have a good bit of experience actually analyzing data. I just don't pretend that my opinion is the most important in the grand scheme of things.

[DoublySports]

Ooooooh.

Defensive Quality Control, Welcome Back!

[AppSt94]

This has been out for almost a week.

[Rick83]

Another offensive assistant...has a ton of ST experience. Brian Haines

https://appstatesports.com/news/2020/1/ ... staff.aspx

[VNova]

Another offensive assistant...has a ton of ST experience. Brian Haines

https://appstatesports.com/news/2020/1/ ... staff.aspx

"Haines has served as a special teams coordinator for the last eight seasons and as a recruiting coordinator and tight ends coach for each of the last 10 seasons"

This is a lot of experience coming in. Article even mentions 3 of his TE's went to the NFL. I'm glad Clark found someone who can coach ST.

[The Rock]

https://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/fbal ... n?view=bio

His bio from Ohio. He definitely has some good experience and results on STs and also TEs and recruiting.
Will he be the TEs coach and Watts move over to RBs?

[hapapp]

From appstatesports.com: In 2010, Haines returned to Athens in a full-time capacity after spending 2009 as a graduate assistant at West Virginia, supervising the Mountaineers' slot receivers and running backs. He helped coach the team's leading rusher (All-Big East first team tailback Noel Devine) and leading receiver (Jock Sanders) as the team made an appearance in the Gator Bowl.

He has coached (or assisted) RBs for one season.

[NavyApp]

There is lot to like with this hire. Heavy experience in position of need(ST), provides flexibility with the coaching staff having the experience coaching TEs. Plus a major in-road to recruiting in the Midwest. Seem like a very calculated move by Clark.


Also I have found it hard in the past to find a good source to quantify Special Teams success by I just found this site. I admit it is heavy on the advanced analytics but it does give a good picture of how successful a special teams unit is in totality.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats ... allst/2019

[NewApp]

674 posts in this thread. Just sayin'

[NavyApp]

675 now.

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

Betting practice is in February now. Essentially a full staff. Missing a safeties coach & worst case Rowe can coach all DB's or a GA/QC can work them through drills.

You guys may get that ever desired early spring after all.

[Stonewall]

Frank Solich is a rock solid (opinion), so to speak , coach.I have to think those years working under him severed Haines well , to our benefit.

[Appstate88]

Haines looks like a solid hire. One more assistant/ position coach to go. Hoping spring ball begins the week after the second recruit signing period. #trusttheballcap

[t4pizza]

I like this hire, especially his success with kickoff return defense. I know we have been much much better at that of late but many longtime App fan still gets nervous when we kick off.