Michigan game rewatch

[AppSt94]

I agree with the lack of depth but not lack of talent.

We had talented players but probably not what would be considered FBS level type guys. No slight on any of them but they played over their heads in that game.

What about Lynch and Armanti? Both made it to the NFL (however Edwards got precious little PT with the Panthers) Armanti was drafted in the third round, I believe, and Corey played a few years in the NFL. Not trying to start an argument, just asking.

Take a look at the picture from the coin toss. This is what he is referring to.
https://andrewjkahn.com/2017/08/28/appa ... igan-2007/

If you mean the desparity in size, I could agree somewhat, except the superior size is what cost the Wolverines the game. We were so much faster coupled with the Spread Offense's inherent reliance on speed that we were in effect superior, not to mention the superior physical condition we possessed. Just my opinion.

I am going to provide an alternate opinion. It will be unpopular to some and that’s fine. Like yours, it is just an opinion and in no way meant to correct or dismiss yours or anyone else’s. But that win, as great as it was for us, was a fluke. It was a perfect storm of opportunity that was seized by a group of young men and their coaches through hard work and preparation.

Allow me to explain. If you follow Michigan football at all, you would know that they historically play down to the competition of their opening week opponent. Aside from that, Michigan, at that time was always susceptible to spread offenses. Our game was supposed to be a tuneup for their next opponent, Oregon, and help them get ready for Ohio State later in the season. We were the perfect test for them. What they didn’t account for was, to your point, our speed. That, along with a veteran group that knew how to execute what we wanted to do. Despite that, we still had to block a very makeable kick to prevail.

Again, I am not saying that we were lucky. I am saying that we were a very good football team that was able to take advantage of a situation that set up for favorable results. Oregon ran the same offense the week after and destroyed Michigan and the game was never in doubt. Just my opinion.

[Rekdiver]

Even better, What team won the first game televised on the Big 10 network?

That was my bonus layup question.

[Yosef84]

Even better, What team won the first game televised on the Big 10 network?

That was my bonus layup question.

And of course the answer is App State vs. Michigan ....with App winning.

Of course, I didn't have the Big 10 network on my cable at the time so I had called a local sports bar in Rock Hill and they said they would put it on. My father in law (an Ohio State fan) came to watch it with me. Unfortunately, once we got there, the bar couldn't get the station as they had promised and we wound up having to listen on the radio. It was still an amazing day and I got to enjoy watching the video of the game a few days later all the more. It was almost like having the experience twice.

[NewApp]

Even better, What team won the first game televised on the Big 10 network?

That was my bonus layup question.

And of course the answer is App State vs. Michigan ....with App winning.

Of course, I didn't have the Big 10 network on my cable at the time so I had called a local sports bar in Rock Hill and they said they would put it on. My father in law (an Ohio State fan) came to watch it with me. Unfortunately, once we got there, the bar couldn't get the station as they had promised and we wound up having to listen on the radio. It was still an amazing day and I got to enjoy watching the video of the game a few days later all the more. It was almost like having the experience twice.

I called DISH that week of the game, put BTN on and then took it off two weeks or so later after the BTN quit showing the replays. Cost me $5 to drop it, but the best 5 bucks I spent in decades.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I completely agree with that talent and depth assessment. We had to use key starters on special teams. Brian Quick was on the line for the FG (thankfully). We had a few guys catching passes who would not even see the field now. Obviously a few guys were FBS quality but for the most part not even close. A few of the passes our little corners defended were just out of sheer determination. You could tell we were wearing down and many guys were on fumes. When they showed the Michigan team running in at the beginning of the game they just looked huge and on another plane. Even Henne was big. I acted like I had no idea what was going to happen in the last minute or so. My wife thought I was nuts- she said that I already knew the outcome! How many plays did we pull off that had to work or the outcome was reversed? At least a dozen or so.

I agree with the lack of depth but not lack of talent.

We had talented players but probably not what would be considered FBS level type guys. No slight on any of them but they played over their heads in that game.

What about Lynch and Armanti? Both made it to the NFL (however Edwards got precious little PT with the Panthers) Armanti was drafted in the third round, I believe, and Corey played a few years in the NFL. Not trying to start an argument, just asking.

Dexter went to Tampa as well. However compare that to Michigan draft class.

[BallantyneApp]

I completely agree with that talent and depth assessment. We had to use key starters on special teams. Brian Quick was on the line for the FG (thankfully). We had a few guys catching passes who would not even see the field now. Obviously a few guys were FBS quality but for the most part not even close. A few of the passes our little corners defended were just out of sheer determination. You could tell we were wearing down and many guys were on fumes. When they showed the Michigan team running in at the beginning of the game they just looked huge and on another plane. Even Henne was big. I acted like I had no idea what was going to happen in the last minute or so. My wife thought I was nuts- she said that I already knew the outcome! How many plays did we pull off that had to work or the outcome was reversed? At least a dozen or so.

I agree with the lack of depth but not lack of talent.

We had talented players but probably not what would be considered FBS level type guys. No slight on any of them but they played over their heads in that game.

What about Lynch and Armanti? Both made it to the NFL (however Edwards got precious little PT with the Panthers) Armanti was drafted in the third round, I believe, and Corey played a few years in the NFL. Not trying to start an argument, just asking.

Dexter went to Tampa as well. However compare that to Michigan draft class.

Our team was stacked as well. Kilgore was starting to see time, Quick, DJ, Armanti, Lynch, We had a big OL Kerry Brown? maybe, who was drafted but had some injury that kept him from playing. Wasn't DJ Smith playing also?

[NewApp]

Good points and good memory, BallantyneApp

[bigdaddyg]

I agree with the lack of depth but not lack of talent.

We had talented players but probably not what would be considered FBS level type guys. No slight on any of them but they played over their heads in that game.

What about Lynch and Armanti? Both made it to the NFL (however Edwards got precious little PT with the Panthers) Armanti was drafted in the third round, I believe, and Corey played a few years in the NFL. Not trying to start an argument, just asking.

Dexter went to Tampa as well. However compare that to Michigan draft class.

Our team was stacked as well. Kilgore was starting to see time, Quick, DJ, Armanti, Lynch, We had a big OL Kerry Brown? maybe, who was drafted but had some injury that kept him from playing. Wasn't DJ Smith playing also?

Good points on several players. Quick was a freshman project at the time. Most of these key guys were considered too small or slow for most FBS schools, probably even the G5 level at the time. Forget that whole dumb rating system. We had a handful of studs but it was pointed out that we only played less than 30 guys that day. We all know that key starters routinely played on Special teams due to the lack of quality depth. We simply had an awesome coaching staff that got every drop out of the guys who played and guys like Armanti, K Rich, Lynch and our man Pierre simply wanted it more that day.

[ASU3432Mi]

Our last drive, led by AE; with I think 1:37 left in the game and no time outs is one of the greatest game winning drives in college football history. IMO.

[appstate24]

Our last drive, led by AE; with I think 1:37 left in the game and no time outs is one of the greatest game winning drives in college football history. IMO.

When AE hit CoCo on the run, I thought I was gonna lose my mind. I really thought CoCo was gonna take it to the house. You are correct, what a drive. Those boys had ice water in their veins. GO APPS!!

[NewApp]

One intangible was that Hart stayed on the stationary bike much, if not, most of the game. He was a first class stud. I'm sure if Michigan had it to do over, he would have been in the game most of the time instead of saving him.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Our last drive, led by AE; with I think 1:37 left in the game and no time outs is one of the greatest game winning drives in college football history. IMO.

No need to end with IMO. The statement before is fact not opinion.

[Rekdiver]

We had talented players but probably not what would be considered FBS level type guys. No slight on any of them but they played over their heads in that game.

What about Lynch and Armanti? Both made it to the NFL (however Edwards got precious little PT with the Panthers) Armanti was drafted in the third round, I believe, and Corey played a few years in the NFL. Not trying to start an argument, just asking.

Take a look at the picture from the coin toss. This is what he is referring to.
https://andrewjkahn.com/2017/08/28/appa ... igan-2007/

If you mean the desparity in size, I could agree somewhat, except the superior size is what cost the Wolverines the game. We were so much faster coupled with the Spread Offense's inherent reliance on speed that we were in effect superior, not to mention the superior physical condition we possessed. Just my opinion.

I am going to provide an alternate opinion. It will be unpopular to some and that’s fine. Like yours, it is just an opinion and in no way meant to correct or dismiss yours or anyone else’s. But that win, as great as it was for us, was a fluke. It was a perfect storm of opportunity that was seized by a group of young men and their coaches through hard work and preparation.

Allow me to explain. If you follow Michigan football at all, you would know that they historically play down to the competition of their opening week opponent. Aside from that, Michigan, at that time was always susceptible to spread offenses. Our game was supposed to be a tuneup for their next opponent, Oregon, and help them get ready for Ohio State later in the season. We were the perfect test for them. What they didn’t account for was, to your point, our speed. That, along with a veteran group that knew how to execute what we wanted to do. Despite that, we still had to block a very makeable kick to prevail.

Again, I am not saying that we were lucky. I am saying that we were a very good football team that was able to take advantage of a situation that set up for favorable results. Oregon ran the same offense the week after and destroyed Michigan and the game was never in doubt. Just my opinion.

Fluke? Upset yes. Fluke... a bit of a reach.

[appstate24]

What about Lynch and Armanti? Both made it to the NFL (however Edwards got precious little PT with the Panthers) Armanti was drafted in the third round, I believe, and Corey played a few years in the NFL. Not trying to start an argument, just asking.

Take a look at the picture from the coin toss. This is what he is referring to.
https://andrewjkahn.com/2017/08/28/appa ... igan-2007/

If you mean the desparity in size, I could agree somewhat, except the superior size is what cost the Wolverines the game. We were so much faster coupled with the Spread Offense's inherent reliance on speed that we were in effect superior, not to mention the superior physical condition we possessed. Just my opinion.

I am going to provide an alternate opinion. It will be unpopular to some and that’s fine. Like yours, it is just an opinion and in no way meant to correct or dismiss yours or anyone else’s. But that win, as great as it was for us, was a fluke. It was a perfect storm of opportunity that was seized by a group of young men and their coaches through hard work and preparation.

Allow me to explain. If you follow Michigan football at all, you would know that they historically play down to the competition of their opening week opponent. Aside from that, Michigan, at that time was always susceptible to spread offenses. Our game was supposed to be a tuneup for their next opponent, Oregon, and help them get ready for Ohio State later in the season. We were the perfect test for them. What they didn’t account for was, to your point, our speed. That, along with a veteran group that knew how to execute what we wanted to do. Despite that, we still had to block a very makeable kick to prevail.

Again, I am not saying that we were lucky. I am saying that we were a very good football team that was able to take advantage of a situation that set up for favorable results. Oregon ran the same offense the week after and destroyed Michigan and the game was never in doubt. Just my opinion.

Fluke? Upset yes. Fluke... a bit of a reach.

Agreed! I was there, we’ve all seen the game. The boys in Black & Gold beat them all over the field that day. Sure they were more talented, but on that September day in 2007....we were the better team.

Love the quote from Shawn Elliot caught on camera during the game. “They don’t have a clue!!” We came out swinging and never let up.

I even remember Lou Holtz saying later that night something to the effect of that wasn’t a fluke App State was the better team today.

GO APPS!!

[AppSt94]

Take a look at the picture from the coin toss. This is what he is referring to.
https://andrewjkahn.com/2017/08/28/appa ... igan-2007/

If you mean the desparity in size, I could agree somewhat, except the superior size is what cost the Wolverines the game. We were so much faster coupled with the Spread Offense's inherent reliance on speed that we were in effect superior, not to mention the superior physical condition we possessed. Just my opinion.

I am going to provide an alternate opinion. It will be unpopular to some and that’s fine. Like yours, it is just an opinion and in no way meant to correct or dismiss yours or anyone else’s. But that win, as great as it was for us, was a fluke. It was a perfect storm of opportunity that was seized by a group of young men and their coaches through hard work and preparation.

Allow me to explain. If you follow Michigan football at all, you would know that they historically play down to the competition of their opening week opponent. Aside from that, Michigan, at that time was always susceptible to spread offenses. Our game was supposed to be a tuneup for their next opponent, Oregon, and help them get ready for Ohio State later in the season. We were the perfect test for them. What they didn’t account for was, to your point, our speed. That, along with a veteran group that knew how to execute what we wanted to do. Despite that, we still had to block a very makeable kick to prevail.

Again, I am not saying that we were lucky. I am saying that we were a very good football team that was able to take advantage of a situation that set up for favorable results. Oregon ran the same offense the week after and destroyed Michigan and the game was never in doubt. Just my opinion.

Fluke? Upset yes. Fluke... a bit of a reach.

Agreed! I was there, we’ve all seen the game. The boys in Black & Gold beat them all over the field that day. Sure they were more talented, but on that September day in 2007....we were the better team.

Love the quote from Shawn Elliot caught on camera during the game. “They don’t have a clue!!” We came out swinging and never let up.

I even remember Lou Holtz saying later that night something to the effect of that wasn’t a fluke App State was the better team today.

GO APPS!!

I didn’t say that we didn’t deserve to win. Fluke, upset, whatever you want to call it is fine. I agree with your comments. We were the better team for the better part of 60 minutes. My point is that even the fact that we were the best team App could be that day, it still took a blocked kick of a makeable FG to preserve the win.

[Rekdiver]

It took a homer PI call to set up that field goal attempt!

[appst89]

It took a homer PI call to set up that field goal attempt!

I think Manningham made the catch, and they declined the PI.

[BeauFoster]

It took a homer PI call to set up that field goal attempt!

I think Manningham made the catch, and they declined the PI.

Could pretty easily argue that it was Manningham who pushed off on that call, too.

I do love that we're debating a game that happened 13 years ago. Corona times is good times for the MMB.

[Rekdiver]

It took a homer PI call to set up that field goal attempt!

I think Manningham made the catch, and they declined the PI.

It was Manningham who pushed off! As I said a homer call!!!!!
However watching 100,000 Surrender Cobras occur after the block was validation!

Could pretty easily argue that it was Manningham who pushed off on that call, too.

I do love that we're debating a game that happened 13 years ago. Corona times is good times for the MMB.

[TheMoody1]

It took a homer PI call to set up that field goal attempt!

Don't forget the "no call" on the obvious late hit out of bounds on our final drive. We probably get a TD if that call was made.