Fascist Noise Ordinance Upheld

[CVAPP]

Students may be transients, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of people that make up over half the town's population. Their opinion and interests are just as valid as a long-time local.

I'm sure all 17,000 share the same opinion. It is absurd and arrogant to think the interests of someone who is a part time resident of a town for 4 or 5 years are just as valid as someone who is a permanent resident, makes their living there and PAYS TAXES to support that community.

Not in this to debate the pros and cons of the noise ordinance anymore, but off-campus students pay property tax as part of their rent and that is an irrefutable fact. They also pay the same local sales taxes as everyone else.

[AppGrad1]

Renters pay property tax??
My daughter rented for years and never paid tax up there?


If you are meaning she paid rent and the owner used that to pay the tax with then that is a huge stretch...

[wb247]

If you are meaning she paid rent and the owner used that to pay the tax with then that is a huge stretch...

It would also be a stretch to say that landlords just "eat" the tax rather than pass it along to the tenant. There's a few good landlords in Boone, but I don't think any of them lease housing as a public service or solely out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Kgfish]

So college kids shouldn't have their voices listened to because they only live here 9 months out of the year and only stay 4-5 years, so that same argument would say that since college kids only live at home 3 months out of the year for 4-5 years then they shouldn't be listened to their either. Okay so college students do not get a say, even though they are paying taxes and provide cheap labor, that is what i am getting here.

Those 3 months of the year are spent at HOME, their permanent LEGAL address. Which address do students covered by their parents health insurance use? What address is on your drivers license? Until you are prepared to change your address, drivers license and all the other issues with becoming a legal resident enjoy your time in Boone and respect the laws tax paying citizens have put into place.

[3rd]

So college kids shouldn't have their voices listened to because they only live here 9 months out of the year and only stay 4-5 years, so that same argument would say that since college kids only live at home 3 months out of the year for 4-5 years then they shouldn't be listened to their either. Okay so college students do not get a say, even though they are paying taxes and provide cheap labor, that is what i am getting here.

Those 3 months of the year are spent at HOME, their permanent LEGAL address. Which address do students covered by their parents health insurance use? What address is on your drivers license? Until you are prepared to change your address, drivers license and all the other issues with becoming a legal resident enjoy your time in Boone and respect the laws tax paying citizens have put into place.

So you are saying that these students who boost the local economy should not have a say in decisions made by the town but yet they have to obey the laws made by the town while they live here. Okay that sounds logical.

[Kgfish]

Man I so agree with you but with democracy we take the good with the bad. The students hold huge sway on matters that have huge implications for property owners and full time residents.

Not trying to be argumentative but we live in a representative republic, not a democracy. Some will claim the US is a constitutional democracy, but that can not be the case since he word democracy is never used in the US Constitution.

[3rd]

So what do you do if Students live up here 12 months out of the year? Do they get a say?

[Kgfish]

So college kids shouldn't have their voices listened to because they only live here 9 months out of the year and only stay 4-5 years, so that same argument would say that since college kids only live at home 3 months out of the year for 4-5 years then they shouldn't be listened to their either. Okay so college students do not get a say, even though they are paying taxes and provide cheap labor, that is what i am getting here.

Those 3 months of the year are spent at HOME, their permanent LEGAL address. Which address do students covered by their parents health insurance use? What address is on your drivers license? Until you are prepared to change your address, drivers license and all the other issues with becoming a legal resident enjoy your time in Boone and respect the laws tax paying citizens have put into place.

So you are saying that these students who boost the local economy should not have a say in decisions made by the town but yet they have to obey the laws made by the town while they live here. Okay that sounds logical.

Yep! Tourists boost the local economy but I don't hear them clamoring for the right to vote. Do you think it is logical for a bunch of young kids to roll into town every fall and start telling people who have lived here a lifetime how they should run their town? Use a little common sense dude. If you don't like the local laws I suggest you find a place with some you can live with.

[Kgfish]

So what do you do if Students live up here 12 months out of the year? Do they get a say?

If they meet the residence requirements and change their legal address to Boone they have every right to vote on local issues.

[3rd]

So college kids shouldn't have their voices listened to because they only live here 9 months out of the year and only stay 4-5 years, so that same argument would say that since college kids only live at home 3 months out of the year for 4-5 years then they shouldn't be listened to their either. Okay so college students do not get a say, even though they are paying taxes and provide cheap labor, that is what i am getting here.

Those 3 months of the year are spent at HOME, their permanent LEGAL address. Which address do students covered by their parents health insurance use? What address is on your drivers license? Until you are prepared to change your address, drivers license and all the other issues with becoming a legal resident enjoy your time in Boone and respect the laws tax paying citizens have put into place.

So you are saying that these students who boost the local economy should not have a say in decisions made by the town but yet they have to obey the laws made by the town while they live here. Okay that sounds logical.

Yep! Tourists boost the local economy but I don't hear them clamoring for the right to vote. Do you think it is logical for a bunch of young kids to roll into town every fall and start telling people who have lived here a lifetime how they should run their town? Use a little common sense dude. If you don't like the local laws I suggest you find a place with some you can live with.

And if you don't like how the supreme court of the United States has ruled then i suggest you move to another country where you can live. So why dont you use some common sense. You act like young kids voting is a bad think, and talk down upon it, well i hate to break your heart but their are a bunch of old a** farts that vote and don't have a clue whats going on. And to act like just because someone has lived here longer means they have more right in politics is dumb. Ask military families that one. I have as much right as you do, as much right as a college student does, as much right as anyone who is allowed by law to vote in this district. So please tell me more about how the local opinion should be more valued than anyone else. Please inform all of us about how much more wise y'all are.

[Kgfish]

Students may be transients, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of people that make up over half the town's population. Their opinion and interests are just as valid as a long-time local.

I'm sure all 17,000 share the same opinion. It is absurd and arrogant to think the interests of someone who is a part time resident of a town for 4 or 5 years are just as valid as someone who is a permanent resident, makes their living there and PAYS TAXES to support that community.

Not in this to debate the pros and cons of the noise ordinance anymore, but off-campus students pay property tax as part of their rent and that is an irrefutable fact. They also pay the same local sales taxes as everyone else.

Obviously some of the income from rent payments goes to make property tax payments, but you can't pay taxes on something you don't own. If my landlord was making me pay property tax, I'd get a lawyer.

[Kgfish]

So college kids shouldn't have their voices listened to because they only live here 9 months out of the year and only stay 4-5 years, so that same argument would say that since college kids only live at home 3 months out of the year for 4-5 years then they shouldn't be listened to their either. Okay so college students do not get a say, even though they are paying taxes and provide cheap labor, that is what i am getting here.

Those 3 months of the year are spent at HOME, their permanent LEGAL address. Which address do students covered by their parents health insurance use? What address is on your drivers license? Until you are prepared to change your address, drivers license and all the other issues with becoming a legal resident enjoy your time in Boone and respect the laws tax paying citizens have put into place.

So you are saying that these students who boost the local economy should not have a say in decisions made by the town but yet they have to obey the laws made by the town while they live here. Okay that sounds logical.

Yep! Tourists boost the local economy but I don't hear them clamoring for the right to vote. Do you think it is logical for a bunch of young kids to roll into town every fall and start telling people who have lived here a lifetime how they should run their town? Use a little common sense dude. If you don't like the local laws I suggest you find a place with some you can live with.

And if you don't like how the supreme court of the United States has ruled then i suggest you move to another country where you can live. So why dont you use some common sense. You act like young kids voting is a bad think, and talk down upon it, well i hate to break your heart but their are a bunch of old a** farts that vote and don't have a clue whats going on. And to act like just because someone has lived here longer means they have more right in politics is dumb. Ask military families that one, oh wait just ask me. I have as much right as you do, as much right as a college student does, as much right as anyone who is allowed by law to vote in this district. So please tell me more about how the local opinion should be more valued than anyone else. Please inform all of us about how much more wise y'all are.

Now you're being irrational, emotional, immature and making my point beautifully. I've voted every year since I was 18 and have NEVER said anything negative about young people voting. But you can't carry on a civilized conversation and try to break bad by tossing insults around. Did I say immature? The concept you seem not able to grasp is one of your LEGAL RESIDENCE. You vote in the district of your LEGAL residence, not in the place you temporarily reside. It is comical you think 18 to 21 year olds have more maturity in voting than people who have held a job for more than 3 months at a time, paid federal, state, local property, and vehicle taxes for YEARS. The testosterone is running wild in you dude. Come back after you're 30 and tell me how you think.

[3rd]

Those 3 months of the year are spent at HOME, their permanent LEGAL address. Which address do students covered by their parents health insurance use? What address is on your drivers license? Until you are prepared to change your address, drivers license and all the other issues with becoming a legal resident enjoy your time in Boone and respect the laws tax paying citizens have put into place.[/quote]

So you are saying that these students who boost the local economy should not have a say in decisions made by the town but yet they have to obey the laws made by the town while they live here. Okay that sounds logical. [/quote]

Yep! Tourists boost the local economy but I don't hear them clamoring for the right to vote. Do you think it is logical for a bunch of young kids to roll into town every fall and start telling people who have lived here a lifetime how they should run their town? Use a little common sense dude. If you don't like the local laws I suggest you find a place with some you can live with.[/quote]

And if you don't like how the supreme court of the United States has ruled then i suggest you move to another country where you can live. So why dont you use some common sense. You act like young kids voting is a bad think, and talk down upon it, well i hate to break your heart but their are a bunch of old a** farts that vote and don't have a clue whats going on. And to act like just because someone has lived here longer means they have more right in politics is dumb. Ask military families that one, oh wait just ask me. I have as much right as you do, as much right as a college student does, as much right as anyone who is allowed by law to vote in this district. So please tell me more about how the local opinion should be more valued than anyone else. Please inform all of us about how much more wise y'all are.[/quote]

Now you're being irrational, emotional, immature and making my point beautifully. I've voted every year since I was 18 and have NEVER said anything negative about young people voting. But you can't carry on a civilized conversation and try to break bad by tossing insults around. Did I say immature? The concept you seem not able to grasp is one of your LEGAL RESIDENCE. You vote in the district of your LEGAL residence, not in the place you temporarily reside. It is comical you think 18 to 21 year olds have more maturity in voting than people who have held a job for more than 3 months at a time, paid federal, state, local property, and vehicle taxes for YEARS. The testosterone is running wild in you dude. Come back after you're 30 and tell me how you think.[/quote]

"Do you think it is logical for a bunch of young kids to roll into town every fall and start telling people who have lived here a lifetime how they should run their town?" <-- so that is not a neg. tone? okay sounds about right. You act like only people with jobs and people who pay taxes vote. I pay my taxes you have no idea who i am or how much money me/my family make. So please how about you try again. Oh and about "LEGAL RESIDENCE" the supreme court has already ruled on this issue. College students have the right to vote in the town where they attend school. This was ruled on in 1979 in case you can't remember that far back. You also said 18-21 years old aren't more mature than older people when it comes to voting. That is funny because the way your making it sound only employed and tax paying "older" people should make public policy, so it is safe to say you support an Aristocracy. I know that about 49% of Americans don't pay taxes but that does not mean they do not have the right to vote.

[Gonzo]

I'm on my phone my phone and it's late, so...

1. There is an assumption being made by some that all non-student residents of Boone are property owners/not renters.

2. It is terrifying to me that multiple alumni of my alma mater are advocating that App students should be disenfranchised. Sounds like the architects of the new voter ID bill.

Scary, scary times for the American politic. Do you hear yourselves?

[CVAPP]

Obviously some of the income from rent payments goes to make property tax payments, but you can't pay taxes on something you don't own. If my landlord was making me pay property tax, I'd get a lawyer.

Apparently you understand but you don't.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Students may be transients, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of people that make up over half the town's population. Their opinion and interests are just as valid as a long-time local.

I'm sure all 17,000 share the same opinion. It is absurd and arrogant to think the interests of someone who is a part time resident of a town for 4 or 5 years are just as valid as someone who is a permanent resident, makes their living there and PAYS TAXES to support that community.

Not in this to debate the pros and cons of the noise ordinance anymore, but off-campus students pay property tax as part of their rent and that is an irrefutable fact. They also pay the same local sales taxes as everyone else.

Obviously some of the income from rent payments goes to make property tax payments, but you can't pay taxes on something you don't own. If my landlord was making me pay property tax, I'd get a lawyer.

I seem to remember my rental agreement stating that is property tax went up that the rent would also go up. Not sure if that was if...could or if...will, but I do remember that in the fine print. That was when I was at App South Apts, and PSI properties had just purchased App South.

[ViewCrew87]

Anyone remember how beer was voted into Boone?

[StumpyCulbreath]

Of course you pay for the property taxes with your rent. Any landlord that doesn't cover the mortgage and property tax in the rental is an idiot especially in Boone where gouging the students is an art.

[appbio91]

I think it is hilarious that some people on here are ready to let the student population run the town of Boone but when it comes to matters directly related to the University ie the student code of conduct and student court they are too stupid and immature to handle that responsibility.

[Kgfish]

I'm on my phone my phone and it's late, so...

1. There is an assumption being made by some that all non-student residents of Boone are property owners/not renters.

2. It is terrifying to me that multiple alumni of my alma mater are advocating that App students should be disenfranchised. Sounds like the architects of the new voter ID bill.

Scary, scary times for the American politic. Do you hear yourselves?

You can not be disenfranchised when you are not a legal resident of the town or county. What is terrifying to think is students from my Alma mater think they should have the right to change the way of life in a town they have no intention of staying in once finished with school. If this is the way a majority of students at ASU think it is little wonder many residents have such a low opinion of students.

75% of NC residents favor voter ID. One must show a valid picture ID to board a plane, purchase alcohol, cigarettes, a home, a firearm, Sudafed or cash a check but it is unfair for someone to prove who they are when voting? The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one, so that whole "costly to poor people" nonsense doesn't hold water. Those over the age of 70 will be allowed to use expired diver's license for 10 years and native Americans can use tribal identification. It will not be implemented until 2016 and voters in the 2015 & 2015 elections will be told they need one when they come back in 2016. It is not an unreasonable request and it is neither disenfranchising nor discriminatory.