Fascist Noise Ordinance Upheld

[JCline0429]

"Between 2000 and 2010 there were 649 million votes cast in general elections and 13 cases of in-person voter impersonation."

Voter ID cards are a solution in search of a problem. Non-partisan statistics show that you're more likely to be hit by lightning than for a legitimate case of voter fraud to occur at your polling place. I don't care which political party perpetrates this kind of nonsense; it's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise particular groups of voters. It's no different than the gerrymandering of voting districts to benefit the party in control of state legislatures.

Those were cases they could prove. That doesn't mean there weren't thousands more. How do you prove voter fraud? You would have to search every precinct's records and prove that a person used different names. That's not going to happen especially without ID's.

Only 13 out of 649 million doesn't seem like a big problem, even "thousands more" out of 649 million is less then .0001%. If every state did voter ID it would cost over $100 million. If they can't think of a more pressing problem to solve with $100 million they can just give it back to the people, I would estimate that's about $333,333 each. I think I could use that to solve more problems in this country then between 13 to "thousands" of people voting wrong.

Proving voter fraud is actually very easy, you audit! You check a very small number of voters (by mail or phone) and ask did they vote. If they voted then it is correct everything is ok, if they didn't vote and it's listed that they voted then it's fraud. In all the cases they checked they found 13 or so. Everyone that wants voter id uses "possible" numbers, but like I said it's very easy to audit votes.

You can't "prove" a negative, but you can be pretty dog-gone sure without spending $4 million in NC alone.

Tell me how in the heck you can prove that a person didn't register to vote under different names in various precincts, even states. It can't be done without some form of ID telling which precinct they are eligible to vote in. Secondly, millions are no sacrifice for keeping our elections and representation safe.

Too, someone said on here and various other places that an ID is required to get a drivers license, buy cigarettes or beer, buy a home, get a passport, and a myriad of other things, but not for voting. Makes no sense at all.

[StumpyCulbreath]

When Vince Barton played for me, he reminded me a lot of JCline (except for the fact that he was a drunk and a great ballplayer) in that he felt disenfranchised if he didn't get the last word.

[newtoasu]

Hey, this ID thing sounds good, especially if it's a photo ID. Maybe we could use them to cut down on underage drinking too, such as requiring the kids to show them before they buy alcohol. I'm sure that would eliminate the problem.

[Maddog1956]

Tell me how in the heck you can prove that a person didn't register to vote under different names in various precincts, even states. It can't be done without some form of ID telling which precinct they are eligible to vote in. Secondly, millions are no sacrifice for keeping our elections and representation safe.

Too, someone said on here and various other places that an ID is required to get a drivers license, buy cigarettes or beer, buy a home, get a passport, and a myriad of other things, but not for voting. Makes no sense at all.

First he would have register to vote using an address that no one else was registered to vote at. Now he could get a voters list and find an address that no one is registered for. Then he would have to make sure that they didn't come in a register at a later date (or take the chance of going to jail when he actually went to vote). Then he would have to go to the poll or one stop voting and hope that no one there saw him vote twice, or heard him give the wrong address, or knew that he didn't live at that address. Remember there are always a Demo and Repub at "every" polling place checking off names. This is very hard in your own county and the time lapse almost makes it impossible out of state or in different counties. Not saying it doesn't happen, but don't we have worst problems to spend millions of $ on?

If he did this he might could get in a couple extra votes. Or you could easily go find someone with a voter ID card and take them to the poll and tell them "here is half a $10 bill and if XXX wins I'll give you the other half" (feel free to think of any other way to pay someone with a valid ID to vote).

Or is someone really wanted someone to win, instead of running around trying to set up fake voter names and take the chance of going to jail they could talk to people about a candidate or give money to a candidate, both would be much more effective.

[Appsolutely]

ACORN. Awesome, just in time for tin foil hat happy hour.

Independent investigations were made by state attorneys general of Massachusetts and California, and the U.S. Attorney of Brooklyn, New York; their reports were released beginning in December 2009 and extending through April 2010. The attorney general's office in Massachusetts and the U.S. Attorney for Brooklyn concluded that the ACORN workers had committed no criminal activity and that the videos were "heavily edited" to present material out of context and create a misleading impression of activities.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9]

The California Attorney General granted immunity to O'Keefe and Giles in exchange for their raw videos shot at three California ACORN offices. Its comparison of the raw videos with the released versions found that the published videos had been heavily edited to misrepresent the workers and the situations so as to suggest criminal intent and activity.[10][11][12][13] The California report was followed by one by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, which reported there was no evidence that ACORN workers had misused government funds or participated in the criminal activities represented in the videos.[14][15] But, ACORN was effectively destroyed by then.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009 ... the_videos

Interesting the Truth The Vote link/post was deleted as a little Google search brings up the woman behind the website.

Although Engelbrecht insists that True the Vote is nonpartisan, its events invariably feature Republican candidates speaking to tea party adherents.

Engelbrecht and other True the Vote speakers also have made presentations during the past year to Republican-leaning groups funded by Americans for Prosperity, an organization founded by the Koch brothers, Kansas billionaires who contribute large sums to numerous conservative causes.

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/arti ... 967883.php

When a woman says they can finance a prostitution ring, what is there to edit?

The fact that that is not what went down- but an edited version. How about I quote you as stating that JCline "can finance a prostitution ring." You did type that out, so I must be correct in my stating that you typed it -which you did, and don't even try to deny that you did. I wonder if Google would pick this up in a search engine if I typed it out enough and made it part of my signature

Read the links I sent. It gives a run down of what happened. If O'Keefe was on the up and up he would have fought the settlement. Media has a good bit of latitude on slander, and knowing that and still settle, I think it reasonable to believe O'Keefe knew he did wrong and they had him on it so he settled.

"Read the links I sent."

Wait...you mean I can't just listen to some lug nut on the radio/tv and make up my mind? You mean I acutally have to read and really think about what happened? You mean that if what I learn by doing a little non-partisan research doesn't fit my particular poltical belief system, I have to adjust and perhaps admit I was wrong? My God, man...do you realize what you are proposing?

[Kgfish]

I'm on my phone my phone and it's late, so...

1. There is an assumption being made by some that all non-student residents of Boone are property owners/not renters.

2. It is terrifying to me that multiple alumni of my alma mater are advocating that App students should be disenfranchised. Sounds like the architects of the new voter ID bill.

Scary, scary times for the American politic. Do you hear yourselves?

You can not be disenfranchised when you are not a legal resident of the town or county. What is terrifying to think is students from my Alma mater think they should have the right to change the way of life in a town they have no intention of staying in once finished with school. If this is the way a majority of students at ASU think it is little wonder many residents have such a low opinion of students.

75% of NC residents favor voter ID. One must show a valid picture ID to board a plane, purchase alcohol, cigarettes, a home, a firearm, Sudafed or cash a check but it is unfair for someone to prove who they are when voting? The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one, so that whole "costly to poor people" nonsense doesn't hold water. Those over the age of 70 will be allowed to use expired diver's license for 10 years and native Americans can use tribal identification. It will not be implemented until 2016 and voters in the 2015 & 2015 elections will be told they need one when they come back in 2016. It is not an unreasonable request and it is neither disenfranchising nor discriminatory.

First of all, I'm not a student. I am a high country resident and an alumnus of Appalachian State that happens to value fair government and the App State experience.

I've said this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat it for you and others that seem to forget it: Students may be fundamentally transient, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of a population that makes up more than half the town. To give up on any sort of student representation in local government is to suppress 17,000 people, their opinions and their interest as major stakeholders in the area. Not to mention alienate the main bread winner of the Boone, NC.

The voter ID act is a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting.

I try not to get emotionally invested in these message board debates, but frankly I'm offended by your disregard for the rights of students and the interest of your Alma Mater. It may have been a little longer ago for you than it was for me, but we were all students once.


*side note: We're getting bogged down in this representation issue and whether or not students should have a say in local government. As offensive and absurd as that opinion is, this unreasonable noise ordinance was the act of a few and was far removed from any sort of popular vote. This tangential debate about student voting rights is moot regarding the noise ordinance issue.

Exactly how long has it been since you were a student? Two or three years? Since you now call Boone home I am offended by your lack of respect for the long time residents who made it the place into what we all love and appreciate. The small time charm and laid back atmosphere is what makes the place special. Students are drawn to ASU and Boone not for the party nightlife, but the peacefulness and laid back presence it gives you. I would hate to see that disrupted by the desires of a few college kids who - as has been proven time and time again - vote their emotions and not their brains.

If you actually think requiring voter ID is "a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting" you aren't nearly as smart as you claim to be. The bill making its way through the legislature allows students to use college ID's for a photo ID. You need to stop gulping down those liberal talking points and do a little research on your own.

[JCline0429]

When Vince Barton played for me, he reminded me a lot of JCline (except for the fact that he was a drunk and a great ballplayer) in that he felt disenfranchised if he didn't get the last word.

Exactly whom should get the last word?

[JCline0429]

Tell me how in the heck you can prove that a person didn't register to vote under different names in various precincts, even states. It can't be done without some form of ID telling which precinct they are eligible to vote in. Secondly, millions are no sacrifice for keeping our elections and representation safe.

Too, someone said on here and various other places that an ID is required to get a drivers license, buy cigarettes or beer, buy a home, get a passport, and a myriad of other things, but not for voting. Makes no sense at all.

First he would have register to vote using an address that no one else was registered to vote at. Now he could get a voters list and find an address that no one is registered for. Then he would have to make sure that they didn't come in a register at a later date (or take the chance of going to jail when he actually went to vote). Then he would have to go to the poll or one stop voting and hope that no one there saw him vote twice, or heard him give the wrong address, or knew that he didn't live at that address. Remember there are always a Demo and Repub at "every" polling place checking off names. This is very hard in your own county and the time lapse almost makes it impossible out of state or in different counties. Not saying it doesn't happen, but don't we have worst problems to spend millions of $ on?

If he did this he might could get in a couple extra votes. Or you could easily go find someone with a voter ID card and take them to the poll and tell them "here is half a $10 bill and if XXX wins I'll give you the other half" (feel free to think of any other way to pay someone with a valid ID to vote).

Or is someone really wanted someone to win, instead of running around trying to set up fake voter names and take the chance of going to jail they could talk to people about a candidate or give money to a candidate, both would be much more effective.

The chances of going to jail are slim and none. Who said a person has to prove their address? I never have and I vote in most elections.

[JCline0429]

I'm on my phone my phone and it's late, so...

1. There is an assumption being made by some that all non-student residents of Boone are property owners/not renters.

2. It is terrifying to me that multiple alumni of my alma mater are advocating that App students should be disenfranchised. Sounds like the architects of the new voter ID bill.

Scary, scary times for the American politic. Do you hear yourselves?

You can not be disenfranchised when you are not a legal resident of the town or county. What is terrifying to think is students from my Alma mater think they should have the right to change the way of life in a town they have no intention of staying in once finished with school. If this is the way a majority of students at ASU think it is little wonder many residents have such a low opinion of students.

75% of NC residents favor voter ID. One must show a valid picture ID to board a plane, purchase alcohol, cigarettes, a home, a firearm, Sudafed or cash a check but it is unfair for someone to prove who they are when voting? The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one, so that whole "costly to poor people" nonsense doesn't hold water. Those over the age of 70 will be allowed to use expired diver's license for 10 years and native Americans can use tribal identification. It will not be implemented until 2016 and voters in the 2015 & 2015 elections will be told they need one when they come back in 2016. It is not an unreasonable request and it is neither disenfranchising nor discriminatory.

First of all, I'm not a student. I am a high country resident and an alumnus of Appalachian State that happens to value fair government and the App State experience.

I've said this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat it for you and others that seem to forget it: Students may be fundamentally transient, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of a population that makes up more than half the town. To give up on any sort of student representation in local government is to suppress 17,000 people, their opinions and their interest as major stakeholders in the area. Not to mention alienate the main bread winner of the Boone, NC.

The voter ID act is a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting.

I try not to get emotionally invested in these message board debates, but frankly I'm offended by your disregard for the rights of students and the interest of your Alma Mater. It may have been a little longer ago for you than it was for me, but we were all students once.


*side note: We're getting bogged down in this representation issue and whether or not students should have a say in local government. As offensive and absurd as that opinion is, this unreasonable noise ordinance was the act of a few and was far removed from any sort of popular vote. This tangential debate about student voting rights is moot regarding the noise ordinance issue.

Exactly how long has it been since you were a student? Two or three years? Since you now call Boone home I am offended by your lack of respect for the long time residents who made it the place into what we all love and appreciate. The small time charm and laid back atmosphere is what makes the place special. Students are drawn to ASU and Boone not for the party nightlife, but the peacefulness and laid back presence it gives you. I would hate to see that disrupted by the desires of a few college kids who - as has been proven time and time again - vote their emotions and not their brains.

Exactly, rep point.

[Kgfish]

You can not be disenfranchised when you are not a legal resident of the town or county. What is terrifying to think is students from my Alma mater think they should have the right to change the way of life in a town they have no intention of staying in once finished with school. If this is the way a majority of students at ASU think it is little wonder many residents have such a low opinion of students.

75% of NC residents favor voter ID. One must show a valid picture ID to board a plane, purchase alcohol, cigarettes, a home, a firearm, Sudafed or cash a check but it is unfair for someone to prove who they are when voting? The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one, so that whole "costly to poor people" nonsense doesn't hold water. Those over the age of 70 will be allowed to use expired diver's license for 10 years and native Americans can use tribal identification. It will not be implemented until 2016 and voters in the 2015 & 2015 elections will be told they need one when they come back in 2016. It is not an unreasonable request and it is neither disenfranchising nor discriminatory.

It doesn't matter if you think it's right or wrong, but the law is that college students can vote either where they go to school or at home if they have been in the county for 30 days. No if's, and's or but's, its the the law, done deal, no questions, case closed. Call any local BoE and they'll say the same thing.

Paying property taxes, sales taxes, drivers license address, parents taxes or going home during the summer, or staying after graduation, has to do anything with it. It not even decided by if you are a "in-state" student at the college you attend.

The same "terrifying" thought about students voting was said about Women, Blacks, 18 year olds, non-property owners, etc. To some it was "terrifying" that these people could change the "life" of a white, male, property owner, town (after all things were perfect if you were one of them).

In NC you are a "legal resident" if you have a bed and when you leave during the day you plan on returning there at night and have no current plan to leave. You are a permanent resident, until you plan to leave. Even if you don't have an address and live under a bridge on a cardboard box (you use the PO address). End of Story! Agree with it or not!

Most of all there is no crazy "situations" that changes this from a voting standpoint.

I could go into the legal justification (for student voting) for this ruling based on the Constitution, but that's getting really off topic, but from a legislator's standpoint they would rather have all college students voting in mass in a college town (and let them take the hit) and not have them vote at home.

BTW, On the Voter ID card, I don't care either way but don't think "The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one". You and I will pay for it, nothing is free! If they could "prove" that there had even been 1000 fraudulent votes, I would be 100% for spending millions, but with almost no documented fraud cases, I would rather get a $4 million tax break.

Also like I said it doesn't matter to me a whole lot, but don't think it has anything to do with cutting fraud, when they say they want to cut back early voting to "save money", but put in place "voter id" with will cost money, the writing is on the wall. It only has to do with cutting a certain amount of voters out. If anyone can't see that I have a bridge to sell you.

But I do think there will be a backlash, once people that don't care much about voting get a card in "registration drives", they may think about voting next time.

Bottom Line "legal residency" is the key, but you are totally wrong on how it's decided for voting.

Like many forms of legislation when enacted there was no intended to apply to students living in an area for a short period of time as a place of residency. Just to make sure some of you who think I want to disenfranchise students I pulled this explanation of LEGAL student voting residency requirements from the North Carolina office of Campus Compact National Office.

In the North Carolina Constitution (Section VI, § 2), it is required that one be a resident of the State and the electoral district in which one votes. The term, “residence,” as used in our constitution, is synonymous with “domicile.” [Hall v. Wake County Bd. Of Elections, 280 NC 600, 187 SE2d 52 (1972)]

Residence and domicile are not interchangeable terms. A person may have an actual abode (residence) in one place, and his permanent established home (domicile) in another. A domicile is the place to which the person intends to return. The law requires all persons to have only one domicile for voting purposes. The residency qualification to register to vote in a municipality or county in NC is that the persons registering must have resided, by the time of the election, in that municipality or county for at least 30 days with the intent to make that county, municipality, precinct, ward, or other election district a permanent place of abode.

So long as a student intends to make the student's home in the community where the student is physically present for the purpose of attending school while the student is attending school and has no intent to return to the student's former home after graduation, the student may claim the college community as the student's domicile. The student need not also intend to stay in the college community beyond graduation in order to establish domicile there.

It is quite simple. If a student does not recognize their dorm room or apartment to be their domicile they are committing voter fraud.

[Maddog1956]

Tell me how in the heck you can prove that a person didn't register to vote under different names in various precincts, even states. It can't be done without some form of ID telling which precinct they are eligible to vote in. Secondly, millions are no sacrifice for keeping our elections and representation safe.

Too, someone said on here and various other places that an ID is required to get a drivers license, buy cigarettes or beer, buy a home, get a passport, and a myriad of other things, but not for voting. Makes no sense at all.

First he would have register to vote using an address that no one else was registered to vote at. Now he could get a voters list and find an address that no one is registered for. Then he would have to make sure that they didn't come in a register at a later date (or take the chance of going to jail when he actually went to vote). Then he would have to go to the poll or one stop voting and hope that no one there saw him vote twice, or heard him give the wrong address, or knew that he didn't live at that address. Remember there are always a Demo and Repub at "every" polling place checking off names. This is very hard in your own county and the time lapse almost makes it impossible out of state or in different counties. Not saying it doesn't happen, but don't we have worst problems to spend millions of $ on?

If he did this he might could get in a couple extra votes. Or you could easily go find someone with a voter ID card and take them to the poll and tell them "here is half a $10 bill and if XXX wins I'll give you the other half" (feel free to think of any other way to pay someone with a valid ID to vote).

Or is someone really wanted someone to win, instead of running around trying to set up fake voter names and take the chance of going to jail they could talk to people about a candidate or give money to a candidate, both would be much more effective.

The chances of going to jail are slim and none. Who said a person has to prove their address? I never have and I vote in most elections.

Main points in red

I guess your estimate of "slim and none" is based on opinion and not fact so I won't even try to discredit that statement.

I don't know if you ever tried to vote twice or not, but if you had and you picked an address that someone had already voted from, or that someone later voted from, so someone had tried to vote using your address ...you would have had to "prove" your address. Your vote and their vote would be considered a "provisional ballot" and would have to be "proven" to count.

Everyone that I talk to about voter ID has no idea of the validation done after the election by members of the BoE (Repub and Dem) to make sure that each vote is valid. That why the "terrifying horror" of voter fault is almost non-existent. Sorry but it is.

As a matter of fact you almost proved it yourself . You vote in most election and have never had to prove your address, because in all that time there has never been an issue of someone using your address or in any way using your info to vote. That's a 100% perfect record! Now ask everyone you know (and believe) if any of them had ever had someone use their address. I'm sure the answer will be no. I bet you $1 to a dime that you can not find one "proven" record of anyone that you have personally know that it has happened to.

[JCline0429]

Tell me how in the heck you can prove that a person didn't register to vote under different names in various precincts, even states. It can't be done without some form of ID telling which precinct they are eligible to vote in. Secondly, millions are no sacrifice for keeping our elections and representation safe.

Too, someone said on here and various other places that an ID is required to get a drivers license, buy cigarettes or beer, buy a home, get a passport, and a myriad of other things, but not for voting. Makes no sense at all.

First he would have register to vote using an address that no one else was registered to vote at. Now he could get a voters list and find an address that no one is registered for. Then he would have to make sure that they didn't come in a register at a later date (or take the chance of going to jail when he actually went to vote). Then he would have to go to the poll or one stop voting and hope that no one there saw him vote twice, or heard him give the wrong address, or knew that he didn't live at that address. Remember there are always a Demo and Repub at "every" polling place checking off names. This is very hard in your own county and the time lapse almost makes it impossible out of state or in different counties. Not saying it doesn't happen, but don't we have worst problems to spend millions of $ on?

If he did this he might could get in a couple extra votes. Or you could easily go find someone with a voter ID card and take them to the poll and tell them "here is half a $10 bill and if XXX wins I'll give you the other half" (feel free to think of any other way to pay someone with a valid ID to vote).

Or is someone really wanted someone to win, instead of running around trying to set up fake voter names and take the chance of going to jail they could talk to people about a candidate or give money to a candidate, both would be much more effective.

The chances of going to jail are slim and none. Who said a person has to prove their address? I never have and I vote in most elections.

Main points in red

I guess your estimate of "slim and none" is based on opinion and not fact so I won't even try to discredit that statement.

I don't know if you ever tried to vote twice or not, but if you had and you picked an address that someone had already voted from, or that someone later voted from, so someone had tried to vote using your address ...you would have had to "prove" your address. Your vote and their vote would be considered a "provisional ballot" and would have to be "proven" to count.

Everyone that I talk to about voter ID has no idea of the validation done after the election by members of the BoE (Repub and Dem) to make sure that each vote is valid. That why the "terrifying horror" of voter fault is almost non-existent. Sorry but it is.

As a matter of fact you almost proved it yourself . You vote in most election and have never had to prove your address, because in all that time there has never been an issue of someone using your address or in any way using your info to vote. That's a 100% perfect record! Now ask everyone you know (and believe) if any of them had ever had someone use their address. I'm sure the answer will be no. I bet you $1 to a dime that you can not find one "proven" record of anyone that you have personally know that it has happened to.

My point was that I never had to show an ID to vote. So a person could just say they lived at a certain address while didn't actually live there and a person could register to vote just by using the phone book to choose an address since many many people do not vote. They could simply say they made a mistake. Who the heck is going to prosecute them?

[JCline0429]

Hey, this ID thing sounds good, especially if it's a photo ID. Maybe we could use them to cut down on underage drinking too, such as requiring the kids to show them before they buy alcohol. I'm sure that would eliminate the problem.

You were probably being sarcastic, but it would go a long way in eliminating the problem. Too, is the minimum age for consumption the same in every state?

[Maddog1956]

I'm on my phone my phone and it's late, so...

1. There is an assumption being made by some that all non-student residents of Boone are property owners/not renters.

2. It is terrifying to me that multiple alumni of my alma mater are advocating that App students should be disenfranchised. Sounds like the architects of the new voter ID bill.

Scary, scary times for the American politic. Do you hear yourselves?

You can not be disenfranchised when you are not a legal resident of the town or county. What is terrifying to think is students from my Alma mater think they should have the right to change the way of life in a town they have no intention of staying in once finished with school. If this is the way a majority of students at ASU think it is little wonder many residents have such a low opinion of students.

75% of NC residents favor voter ID. One must show a valid picture ID to board a plane, purchase alcohol, cigarettes, a home, a firearm, Sudafed or cash a check but it is unfair for someone to prove who they are when voting? The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one, so that whole "costly to poor people" nonsense doesn't hold water. Those over the age of 70 will be allowed to use expired diver's license for 10 years and native Americans can use tribal identification. It will not be implemented until 2016 and voters in the 2015 & 2015 elections will be told they need one when they come back in 2016. It is not an unreasonable request and it is neither disenfranchising nor discriminatory.

First of all, I'm not a student. I am a high country resident and an alumnus of Appalachian State that happens to value fair government and the App State experience.

I've said this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat it for you and others that seem to forget it: Students may be fundamentally transient, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of a population that makes up more than half the town. To give up on any sort of student representation in local government is to suppress 17,000 people, their opinions and their interest as major stakeholders in the area. Not to mention alienate the main bread winner of the Boone, NC.

The voter ID act is a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting.

I try not to get emotionally invested in these message board debates, but frankly I'm offended by your disregard for the rights of students and the interest of your Alma Mater. It may have been a little longer ago for you than it was for me, but we were all students once.


*side note: We're getting bogged down in this representation issue and whether or not students should have a say in local government. As offensive and absurd as that opinion is, this unreasonable noise ordinance was the act of a few and was far removed from any sort of popular vote. This tangential debate about student voting rights is moot regarding the noise ordinance issue.

Exactly how long has it been since you were a student? Two or three years? Since you now call Boone home I am offended by your lack of respect for the long time residents who made it the place into what we all love and appreciate. The small time charm and laid back atmosphere is what makes the place special. Students are drawn to ASU and Boone not for the party nightlife, but the peacefulness and laid back presence it gives you. I would hate to see that disrupted by the desires of a few college kids who - as has been proven time and time again - vote their emotions and not their brains.

If you actually think requiring voter ID is "a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting" you aren't nearly as smart as you claim to be. The bill making its way through the legislature allows students to use college ID's for a photo ID. You need to stop gulping down those liberal talking points and do a little research on your own.

First step, first round. Like taking 30 round mag's when they really want your AR.

Is the next step you can only get an ID if you can answer these questions, unless of course if you're white? Impossible, check history, been there done that. (those that don't know history will repeat it)

What gets me is the same people that are saying "the government is coming for my guns" don't care that they are coming for their votes and that's a whole lot easier, faster and less messy.

[3rd]

The funny thing is some on here don't understand that no matter what party one is apart of their number 1 goal is to get reelected. The dems. held on to NC for over 100 years, do you not think gerrymandering was involved now that the reps. are in control they are trying to make it so they get reelected. Welcome to the world we live in.

[wb247]

In Boone, the only acceptable form of voter ID will be your name plate from the lunch counter at the former Boone Drug.

[JCline0429]

In Boone, the only acceptable form of voter ID will be your name plate from the lunch counter at the former Boone Drug.

Good one. LOL.

[appst89]

ACORN. Awesome, just in time for tin foil hat happy hour.

Independent investigations were made by state attorneys general of Massachusetts and California, and the U.S. Attorney of Brooklyn, New York; their reports were released beginning in December 2009 and extending through April 2010. The attorney general's office in Massachusetts and the U.S. Attorney for Brooklyn concluded that the ACORN workers had committed no criminal activity and that the videos were "heavily edited" to present material out of context and create a misleading impression of activities.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9]

The California Attorney General granted immunity to O'Keefe and Giles in exchange for their raw videos shot at three California ACORN offices. Its comparison of the raw videos with the released versions found that the published videos had been heavily edited to misrepresent the workers and the situations so as to suggest criminal intent and activity.[10][11][12][13] The California report was followed by one by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, which reported there was no evidence that ACORN workers had misused government funds or participated in the criminal activities represented in the videos.[14][15] But, ACORN was effectively destroyed by then.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009 ... the_videos

Interesting the Truth The Vote link/post was deleted as a little Google search brings up the woman behind the website.

Although Engelbrecht insists that True the Vote is nonpartisan, its events invariably feature Republican candidates speaking to tea party adherents.

Engelbrecht and other True the Vote speakers also have made presentations during the past year to Republican-leaning groups funded by Americans for Prosperity, an organization founded by the Koch brothers, Kansas billionaires who contribute large sums to numerous conservative causes.

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/arti ... 967883.php

When a woman says they can finance a prostitution ring, what is there to edit?

The fact that that is not what went down- but an edited version. How about I quote you as stating that JCline "can finance a prostitution ring." You did type that out, so I must be correct in my stating that you typed it -which you did, and don't even try to deny that you did. I wonder if Google would pick this up in a search engine if I typed it out enough and made it part of my signature

Read the links I sent. It gives a run down of what happened. If O'Keefe was on the up and up he would have fought the settlement. Media has a good bit of latitude on slander, and knowing that and still settle, I think it reasonable to believe O'Keefe knew he did wrong and they had him on it so he settled.

"Read the links I sent."

Wait...you mean I can't just listen to some lug nut on the radio/tv and make up my mind? You mean I acutally have to read and really think about what happened? You mean that if what I learn by doing a little non-partisan research doesn't fit my particular poltical belief system, I have to adjust and perhaps admit I was wrong? My God, man...do you realize what you are proposing?

We might not be in the fuster cluck we're in today if a few people on both sides of the aisle would try that. The vast majority of our electorate does not want to be bothered to think for themselves. They are more than happy to listen to or watch the mass media that caters to their particular belief and let them do the thinking for them. Until the American people decide that it is important to carefully consider the people they put into office, we are going to comntinue to have the clown show we have now.

[Kgfish]

I'm on my phone my phone and it's late, so...

1. There is an assumption being made by some that all non-student residents of Boone are property owners/not renters.

2. It is terrifying to me that multiple alumni of my alma mater are advocating that App students should be disenfranchised. Sounds like the architects of the new voter ID bill.

Scary, scary times for the American politic. Do you hear yourselves?

You can not be disenfranchised when you are not a legal resident of the town or county. What is terrifying to think is students from my Alma mater think they should have the right to change the way of life in a town they have no intention of staying in once finished with school. If this is the way a majority of students at ASU think it is little wonder many residents have such a low opinion of students.

75% of NC residents favor voter ID. One must show a valid picture ID to board a plane, purchase alcohol, cigarettes, a home, a firearm, Sudafed or cash a check but it is unfair for someone to prove who they are when voting? The state will provide a free ID card for anyone who wants one, so that whole "costly to poor people" nonsense doesn't hold water. Those over the age of 70 will be allowed to use expired diver's license for 10 years and native Americans can use tribal identification. It will not be implemented until 2016 and voters in the 2015 & 2015 elections will be told they need one when they come back in 2016. It is not an unreasonable request and it is neither disenfranchising nor discriminatory.

First of all, I'm not a student. I am a high country resident and an alumnus of Appalachian State that happens to value fair government and the App State experience.

I've said this earlier in the thread, but I'll repeat it for you and others that seem to forget it: Students may be fundamentally transient, but their interests represent that of a revolving door of a population that makes up more than half the town. To give up on any sort of student representation in local government is to suppress 17,000 people, their opinions and their interest as major stakeholders in the area. Not to mention alienate the main bread winner of the Boone, NC.

The voter ID act is a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting.

I try not to get emotionally invested in these message board debates, but frankly I'm offended by your disregard for the rights of students and the interest of your Alma Mater. It may have been a little longer ago for you than it was for me, but we were all students once.


*side note: We're getting bogged down in this representation issue and whether or not students should have a say in local government. As offensive and absurd as that opinion is, this unreasonable noise ordinance was the act of a few and was far removed from any sort of popular vote. This tangential debate about student voting rights is moot regarding the noise ordinance issue.

Exactly how long has it been since you were a student? Two or three years? Since you now call Boone home I am offended by your lack of respect for the long time residents who made it the place into what we all love and appreciate. The small time charm and laid back atmosphere is what makes the place special. Students are drawn to ASU and Boone not for the party nightlife, but the peacefulness and laid back presence it gives you. I would hate to see that disrupted by the desires of a few college kids who - as has been proven time and time again - vote their emotions and not their brains.

If you actually think requiring voter ID is "a ploy by conservative politicians to keep college students (a traditionally liberal voting demographic) from voting" you aren't nearly as smart as you claim to be. The bill making its way through the legislature allows students to use college ID's for a photo ID. You need to stop gulping down those liberal talking points and do a little research on your own.

First step, first round. Like taking 30 round mag's when they really want your AR.

Is the next step you can only get an ID if you can answer these questions, unless of course if you're white? Impossible, check history, been there done that. (those that don't know history will repeat it)

What gets me is the same people that are saying "the government is coming for my guns" don't care that they are coming for their votes and that's a whole lot easier, faster and less messy.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've seen on here in a while. When presented with facts you stick to the liberal playbook and change directions. That's the best you got? We know the bill requiring ID's for voting gives people until 2016 and will be told they can get a free ID during the next two elections. It also allows folks over 70 to use expired drives license for 8 years and students to use college ID's. I'm sure there are plenty of Democratic community organizers and activists who will be happy to take those who without transportation to pick up their free ID. In all honesty, if someone is too lazy to get an ID with all these opportunities I don't know if they should be voting in the first place.

[fjblair]

These rants and raves would be a lot more fun to read if you guys would trim the quotes.