QB 2021

[AppStateNews]

Is DBG gone ?

Seems that way based on rumblings around the program

I have seen this mentioned on here before but nobody has ever actually stated that DBG has stated his intention to leave. He certainly hasn't entered the transfer portal yet which would have seemed like a first step that he would've already taken if he was leaving. I just want to know why people think this, is it just because he took a Covid waiver and went back to California to be with his family? To me that action, in and of itself, does not signal that he doesn't intend to return to App State, especially being that he is our highest ever rated recruit and there are zero qbs in the room with any starting experience. Talk about a real opportunity to be the guy. This kid is super talented, I hope he is back on campus in the spring because I think he can be a difference maker for us. If does leave, I wish him well and next man up. But again, I really would like some indication of why people think he won't return.

Some people know things others don't. It'll take a Christmas miracle for him to stay. He's been passed on the depth chart. While he may be the highest rated recruit we've ever had, he's not even the 4th best option at QB according to our staff.

[t4pizza]

Is DBG gone ?

Seems that way based on rumblings around the program

I have seen this mentioned on here before but nobody has ever actually stated that DBG has stated his intention to leave. He certainly hasn't entered the transfer portal yet which would have seemed like a first step that he would've already taken if he was leaving. I just want to know why people think this, is it just because he took a Covid waiver and went back to California to be with his family? To me that action, in and of itself, does not signal that he doesn't intend to return to App State, especially being that he is our highest ever rated recruit and there are zero qbs in the room with any starting experience. Talk about a real opportunity to be the guy. This kid is super talented, I hope he is back on campus in the spring because I think he can be a difference maker for us. If does leave, I wish him well and next man up. But again, I really would like some indication of why people think he won't return.

Some people know things others don't. It'll take a Christmas miracle for him to stay. He's been passed on the depth chart. While he may be the highest rated recruit we've ever had, he's not even the 4th best option at QB according to our staff.

I get that some people know stuff, hence my questions. If someone has been told by people in the know that he isn't returning, then that would explain it all. Prior to this point, I haven't seen anything that indicated that fact. I take it from your post that you are now telling me the very facts that have not been mentioned before, so thank you for the information. But I am just curious, if he isn't even the 4th best option at QB then why would it be a miracle if he stayed? Seems like if he is that bad that we would want him gone to clear up a scholarship. Either way, since you have proved reliable in the past, I will now consider him gone.

[AppStateNews]

Is DBG gone ?

Seems that way based on rumblings around the program

I have seen this mentioned on here before but nobody has ever actually stated that DBG has stated his intention to leave. He certainly hasn't entered the transfer portal yet which would have seemed like a first step that he would've already taken if he was leaving. I just want to know why people think this, is it just because he took a Covid waiver and went back to California to be with his family? To me that action, in and of itself, does not signal that he doesn't intend to return to App State, especially being that he is our highest ever rated recruit and there are zero qbs in the room with any starting experience. Talk about a real opportunity to be the guy. This kid is super talented, I hope he is back on campus in the spring because I think he can be a difference maker for us. If does leave, I wish him well and next man up. But again, I really would like some indication of why people think he won't return.

Some people know things others don't. It'll take a Christmas miracle for him to stay. He's been passed on the depth chart. While he may be the highest rated recruit we've ever had, he's not even the 4th best option at QB according to our staff.

I get that some people know stuff, hence my questions. If someone has been told by people in the know that he isn't returning, then that would explain it all. Prior to this point, I haven't seen anything that indicated that fact. I take it from your post that you are now telling me the very facts that have not been mentioned before, so thank you for the information. But I am just curious, if he isn't even the 4th best option at QB then why would it be a miracle if he stayed? Seems like if he is that bad that we would want him gone to clear up a scholarship. Either way, since you have proved reliable in the past, I will now consider him gone.

The miraculous part would be him wanting to stay. Simply put, he wants to be closer to family in california.

[AppHoops]

I think what is unique about our situation with transitioning to a new QB is that everything is an unknown. Obviously there are a lot of instances around the country of a true freshman being a successful starter from day 1, but usually there is at least someone on the roster that has had meaningful or live game reps that can be gauged. Thomas didn't have a large sample size before he took the mantle from Lamb, but he did have 10 pass attempts his backup year so there was at least something to fall back on.

Outside of Peyton Derrick before he transferred, all we have known as a fan base for the last 3 years is Thomas and Huesman (both seniors). While I think we can all agree that the continuity there is really valuable and important, I've been thinking to myself for a while that it would have been beneficial to start giving some younger guys reps just to take game stock of what you have. I know the coaches see the players every day in practice so certainly they should know, but I always thought that would've been prudent.

If Huesman returns for another season then this is all moot and we at least have someone that has in game experience in place and a benchmark for Tabscott & Shuler, etc to compete against. Same can be said if the program looks at grad transfers.

[EastHallApp]

I think what is unique about our situation with transitioning to a new QB is that everything is an unknown. Obviously there are a lot of instances around the country of a true freshman being a successful starter from day 1, but usually there is at least someone on the roster that has had meaningful or live game reps that can be gauged. Thomas didn't have a large sample size before he took the mantle from Lamb, but he did have 10 pass attempts his backup year so there was at least something to fall back on.

Outside of Peyton Derrick before he transferred, all we have known as a fan base for the last 3 years is Thomas and Huesman (both seniors). While I think we can all agree that the continuity there is really valuable and important, I've been thinking to myself for a while that it would have been beneficial to start giving some younger guys reps just to take game stock of what you have. I know the coaches see the players every day in practice so certainly they should know, but I always thought that would've been prudent.

If Huesman returns for another season then this is all moot and we at least have someone that has in game experience in place and a benchmark for Tabscott & Shuler, etc to compete against. Same can be said if the program looks at grad transfers.

It's just rare for young backup QBs to get reps outside of garbage time. Other positions, you might rotate guys in over the course of the game. QB is different.

Our particular challenge isn't that we need to find a new QB; that's part of college football. It's that we don't seem to have recruited, retained and developed anyone in the last four classes who we feel is ready to take over.

[NavyApp]

I think what is unique about our situation with transitioning to a new QB is that everything is an unknown. Obviously there are a lot of instances around the country of a true freshman being a successful starter from day 1, but usually there is at least someone on the roster that has had meaningful or live game reps that can be gauged. Thomas didn't have a large sample size before he took the mantle from Lamb, but he did have 10 pass attempts his backup year so there was at least something to fall back on.

Outside of Peyton Derrick before he transferred, all we have known as a fan base for the last 3 years is Thomas and Huesman (both seniors). While I think we can all agree that the continuity there is really valuable and important, I've been thinking to myself for a while that it would have been beneficial to start giving some younger guys reps just to take game stock of what you have. I know the coaches see the players every day in practice so certainly they should know, but I always thought that would've been prudent.

If Huesman returns for another season then this is all moot and we at least have someone that has in game experience in place and a benchmark for Tabscott & Shuler, etc to compete against. Same can be said if the program looks at grad transfers.

It's just rare for young backup QBs to get reps outside of garbage time. Other positions, you might rotate guys in over the course of the game. QB is different.

Our particular challenge isn't that we need to find a new QB; that's part of college football. It's that we don't seem to have recruited, retained and developed anyone in the last four classes who we feel is ready to take over.

I believe we have recruited the best QB talent we have ever had in the last few classes. But we have not developed anything, and according to TP you can only work 2 at a time(for whatever reason). So now we are really about to roll the dice at the QB position, could be fine, could be great, could be a train wreck. I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope for the best, and I'm going to revel in the success of today's sighing day! IT'S A GREAT DY TO BE A MOUNTAINEER!

[ukappfan]

I haven’t seen a lot of Shuler or DCs tape, but I do think it’s interesting we are going away from the dual type of running QB we have thrived with to more Pro style QBs.

[AppStateNews]

I haven’t seen a lot of Shuler or DCs tape, but I do think it’s interesting we are going away from the dual type of running QB we have thrived with to more Pro style QBs.

Taylor and Zac were also considered Pro style. Just because they're rated as they doesn't mean they can't run. They just aren't run first.

[ukappfan]

I haven’t seen a lot of Shuler or DCs tape, but I do think it’s interesting we are going away from the dual type of running QB we have thrived with to more Pro style QBs.

Taylor and Zac were also considered Pro style. Just because they're rated as they doesn't mean they can't run. They just aren't run first.

Very true point.

[NavyApp]

So I am going to preface this with: I have ZERO knowledge of anything, this is just me looking at things. Since I keep seeing that we may go after a transfer QB, I have pulled up the 247 transfer portal specifically the QBs tab. Looking at the names there are a few that jump out to me:
Juwan Pass: Immediately eligible, has played a bit at the P5 level, but always looks very raw.

Garrett Shrader:(I don't believe he is an option for us or us him) May have to sit, NC Kid, Uber athlete, fiery competitor, If it did hapen I think we lose one or both of Shuler or Tabscott.

Jack Abraham: Immediately eligible, a little slight, but dude racks up yards, has played a ton of ball

Logan Bonner: Our old friend from ArkSt

I'm sure there are others we may be interested in, maybe we don't stick our toes in the water at all. But it's still fun to look!

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Footb ... ferPortal/

[App91]

So I am going to preface this with: I have ZERO knowledge of anything, this is just me looking at things. Since I keep seeing that we may go after a transfer QB, I have pulled up the 247 transfer portal specifically the QBs tab. Looking at the names there are a few that jump out to me:
Juwan Pass: Immediately eligible, has played a bit at the P5 level, but always looks very raw.

Garrett Shrader:(I don't believe he is an option for us or us him) May have to sit, NC Kid, Uber athlete, fiery competitor, If it did hapen I think we lose one or both of Shuler or Tabscott.

Jack Abraham: Immediately eligible, a little slight, but dude racks up yards, has played a ton of ball

Logan Bonner: Our old friend from ArkSt

I'm sure there are others we may be interested in, maybe we don't stick our toes in the water at all. But it's still fun to look!

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Footb ... ferPortal/

Like that Kid from South AL thats on there, saw him a couple times and is a baller! IMO they picked the wrong guy!
https://247sports.com/Player/Chance-Lovertich-46096510/

[EastHallApp]

I haven’t seen a lot of Shuler or DCs tape, but I do think it’s interesting we are going away from the dual type of running QB we have thrived with to more Pro style QBs.

Taylor and Zac were also considered Pro style. Just because they're rated as they doesn't mean they can't run. They just aren't run first.

Yeah, the old "pro-style" vs. "dual threat" distinction is really obsolete. The real rarity now is the guy who's a statue in the pocket and doesn't run at all.

[t4pizza]

I haven’t seen a lot of Shuler or DCs tape, but I do think it’s interesting we are going away from the dual type of running QB we have thrived with to more Pro style QBs.

Taylor and Zac were also considered Pro style. Just because they're rated as they doesn't mean they can't run. They just aren't run first.

Yeah, the old "pro-style" vs. "dual threat" distinction is really obsolete. The real rarity now is the guy who's a statue in the pocket and doesn't run at all.

You mean like Mac Jones at Alabama or Kyle Trask at Florida? I think those are pretty good examples of pure pocket guys with very limited mobility. But, you are right, it is becoming rarer and rarer as most high schools have gone all in on the wide open no huddle spread offenses with a read option element, hence why Trask didn't start in high school.

[EastHallApp]

I haven’t seen a lot of Shuler or DCs tape, but I do think it’s interesting we are going away from the dual type of running QB we have thrived with to more Pro style QBs.

Taylor and Zac were also considered Pro style. Just because they're rated as they doesn't mean they can't run. They just aren't run first.

Yeah, the old "pro-style" vs. "dual threat" distinction is really obsolete. The real rarity now is the guy who's a statue in the pocket and doesn't run at all.

You mean like Mac Jones at Alabama or Kyle Trask at Florida? I think those are pretty good examples of pure pocket guys with very limited mobility. But, you are right, it is becoming rarer and rarer as most high schools have gone all in on the wide open no huddle spread offenses with a read option element, hence why Trask didn't start in high school.

Hey, I said rare, not extinct.

I think we're on the same page though. Most NFL QBs under 40 can run at least reasonably well. Same for most of the QBs they're looking to draft.

Dual-threat is pro-style now. Splitting them into separate categories is a relic from when the triple option was more prominent in college so you didn't have, like, Tommy Frazier in the same category as Peyton Manning.

[asu66]

He doesn't seem to be gone anywhere yet! This is a student database screenshot from 45 seconds ago. Edits are all mine!
name: Baldwin-Griffin, David
email: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
home_phone: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
address: Appalachian State University
addr1: ASUBOX 09625
addr2: Boone N.C. 28608
depart/major: Career and Technical Education
title: Freshman
type: STUDENT
Count: 1

[T-Dog]

[EastHallApp]

I'm guessing he'll have P5 suitors, but it can't hurt to call.

[diehardapp18]

He would really make our offense fun as HELL next year. But I’d imagine there will be P5’s knocking down his door trying to get their hands on him.

[yosef95]

Nowadays, you can exposure anywhere as long as you play. App has a more recognition than ever. App will play some bigtime teams next yr. Char got that Tex A&M transfer. We should kick the tires.

[yosef95]

Sadly, nowadays, if good players arent starting right away, they transfer. Not many stick it out and try to win a job. Most think grass is always greener etc