Brice @ GAst

[pop5app]

You are all right! My concern is at that particular time in the game, we were comfortably ahead. I don’t think Brice should have been in the game and he certainly should not have returned .

[AppStFan1]

Funny thing is if that play would have worked then some of you that are criticizing it would be all aglow at how creative and imaginative it was. It really wasn’t anymore risky than if he were exposed on a roll out or the shot he took in the first half from the free rusher. He’s not a China Doll.

The result definitely is the reason for most of the uproar. I thought the play with a guy like Zac was smart because he could fly but Brice is not that fast so I wonder what we were trying to set up with it. I think a few on 247 mentioned just the fact it was Brice and his lack of big time speed. I thought that play would be better if we put Wells or Virgil in Brice's spot and put Brice in the slot and maybe had Malik or Brice throw that ball to someone with their type speed if we were going to do that. That can be a big play if you have right personnel and executed correctly but definitely has to be set up by some prior plays.

As I recall, most, if not all, of the throwbacks to ZT were to him in the endzone. I have no issue with the call. The execution was the problem. Malik was late with the throw, which allowed the Defender to get there. I’m not laying it all on Malik, but if the throw is there, Brice catches it, steps out of bounds to avoid the hit. Life moves on and we are lauding Ponce for a brilliant play call.

Malik definitely messed up on the pass and that is a pass he can usually make. The hit definitely brought the attention on it but at the time I don't think Georgia State was really a threat so some are arguing that we did not need to even put him out there like that where he could get hit like that. However, if he was wide open maybe he is not even touched. You never know. QBs can get blown up on a rollout so honestly the most safe way to protect Brice with a lead would be to just do quick drop backs or hand it off all day. I have seen many cases where a QB was left in too long and no injury so no scrutiny and then a QB has a torn ACL with a 24 point lead with 6 minutes left and fans are upset at coaches for leaving him in so long.

[AppStFan1]

You are all right! My concern is at that particular time in the game, we were comfortably ahead. I don’t think Brice should have been in the game and he certainly should not have returned .

I think the decision comes down to if you think the other team has given up or just does not have the horses to beat your second team. We could have been trying to work on some things knowing that we were in position to do so. It is smart to play a lot of players gradually and not pull the entire 1st team unit at same time. I would love to see us get up big in a game and Huesman come in with the rest of the first team to see what he can do for a series or two and then pull all starters and play the 2nd and 3rd string. Unless we have a 21-28 point lead with less than 5 minutes to go I feel like the lead is not 100% safe. You still have to execute and not turn the ball over in that scenario as well.

[appstatealum]

Some dumb ass sitting behind me when Chase got hurt shouted, "now lets see a real quarterback" presumably referring to Heusmann. Don't get me wrong, I love Jacob, but this was one of the most boneheaded things I've ever heard an App fan blurt out.

That gentlemen probably thought he was at a soccer game. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and that man is an embarrassment to App fandom

[Stonewall]

Zac was an athlete playing QB .Chase is a QB , is a a QB. Ritchie Williams could hum it too but AE was magic,in every aspect of the game,physically and mentally.

[Black Saturday]

Zac was an athlete playing QB .Chase is a QB , is a a QB. Ritchie Williams could hum it too but AE was magic,in every aspect of the game,physically and mentally.

Todd Payton could hand it off better than any we've ever had.

[appst89]

Zac was an athlete playing QB .Chase is a QB , is a a QB. Ritchie Williams could hum it too but AE was magic,in every aspect of the game,physically and mentally.

Todd Payton could hand it off better than any we've ever had.

That's only because he was handing it to John Settle.

[ericsaid]

I like Chase , he isn't Armanti but he's a good college QB. Upgrade from the past few years? Appears to be.Castle will get better at finding gaps and getting yardage but depth at RB is a concern.We have got to have 3 or 4 that can make plays.If not they wear down and get dinged.I watched GSU go toe to toe with Auburn and beat them upfront.This game concerned me , yes we hit a lull ,but we blew them out , on the road.The next couple of games will be tests.If we get healthy I like our chances.

There is no doubt that Chase is a better passer than ZT or Taylor. However, ZT's legs certainly kept the defense honest and probably the threat of him running allowed for a different playbook and he had the ability to break off long runs. So, while not knocking Chase, who i am pleased with, I don't know if we have an upgrade or just another solid QB.

Chase definitely throws a great deep ball.

Also, don't forget Spurlin at RB.

Okay. Lets break this down:


Through 5 games App has the following stats:

1. Points per Game: 35.6
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4
3. 1st Downs per Game: 26 (11.8 passing, 11.8 rushing, 2.4 by penalty)
4. Passing Yards: 1,421 (284 yards per game)
5. Passing Touchdowns: 1.8 per game
6. Rushing Yards: 986 (197.2 yards per game)
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 12 (2.4 per game)
8. Total Yards per game: 481.4 yards per game
9. Plays per game: 74.6

2020 Statistics:

1. Points per Game: 33.8
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4.33
3. 1st Downs per Game: 23 (8 passing, 13 rushing, 2.1 by penalty)
4. Passing Yards: 2,245 (187.1 yards per game)
5. Passing Touchdowns: 1.7 per game
6. Rushing Yards: 3,179 (264.9 yards per game)
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 28 (2.3 per game)
8. Total Yards per game: 452 yards per game
9. Plays per game: 72

Obviously the big trade-off we see here is in passing.

Zac's Statistics:

1. Completion % - 63.9
2. Average per Attempt - 7.5
3. Rating - 142.2
4. Average Yards per Game - 182.4 yards

Chase:

1. Completion % - 68.0
2. Average per Attempt - 8.9
3. Rating - 156.0
4. Average Yards per Game - 272.0

Chase 13 Game Outlook:

1. Yards - 3,536 yards
2. Touchdowns - 21
3. 270 Completions
4. 397 Attempts

By the eye test, Chase Brice is playing the position of quarterback more efficient, with more deep shots, and more deep completions. He checks into the right plays on offense, knows how to make pre and post snap reads of the defense, and adjusts accordingly. He dances in the pocket as needed. One play that comes to mind was against Marshall when he's hanging in the pocket, leans on the back of the tackle, works his way around and finds the open man while the pocket is collapsing.

Zac rarely came off of his first read and often would lock in until it was too late and his only other option was to run.

It's quite obvious that Brice is the better quarterback.

[Black Saturday]

Zac was an athlete playing QB .Chase is a QB , is a a QB. Ritchie Williams could hum it too but AE was magic,in every aspect of the game,physically and mentally.

Todd Payton could hand it off better than any we've ever had.

That's only because he was handing it to John Settle.

Touchdown!

[WASU 93]

I like Chase , he isn't Armanti but he's a good college QB. Upgrade from the past few years? Appears to be.Castle will get better at finding gaps and getting yardage but depth at RB is a concern.We have got to have 3 or 4 that can make plays.If not they wear down and get dinged.I watched GSU go toe to toe with Auburn and beat them upfront.This game concerned me , yes we hit a lull ,but we blew them out , on the road.The next couple of games will be tests.If we get healthy I like our chances.

There is no doubt that Chase is a better passer than ZT or Taylor. However, ZT's legs certainly kept the defense honest and probably the threat of him running allowed for a different playbook and he had the ability to break off long runs. So, while not knocking Chase, who i am pleased with, I don't know if we have an upgrade or just another solid QB.

Chase definitely throws a great deep ball.

Also, don't forget Spurlin at RB.

Okay. Lets break this down:


Through 5 games App has the following stats:

1. Points per Game: 35.6
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4
3. 1st Downs per Game: 26 (11.8 passing, 11.8 rushing, 2.4 by penalty)
4. Passing Yards: 1,421 (284 yards per game)
5. Passing Touchdowns: 1.8 per game
6. Rushing Yards: 986 (197.2 yards per game)
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 12 (2.4 per game)
8. Total Yards per game: 481.4 yards per game
9. Plays per game: 74.6

2020 Statistics:

1. Points per Game: 33.8
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4.33
3. 1st Downs per Game: 23 (8 passing, 13 rushing, 2.1 by penalty)
4. Passing Yards: 2,245 (187.1 yards per game)
5. Passing Touchdowns: 1.7 per game
6. Rushing Yards: 3,179 (264.9 yards per game)
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 28 (2.3 per game)
8. Total Yards per game: 452 yards per game
9. Plays per game: 72

Obviously the big trade-off we see here is in passing.

Zac's Statistics:

1. Completion % - 63.9
2. Average per Attempt - 7.5
3. Rating - 142.2
4. Average Yards per Game - 182.4 yards

Chase:

1. Completion % - 68.0
2. Average per Attempt - 8.9
3. Rating - 156.0
4. Average Yards per Game - 272.0

Chase 13 Game Outlook:

1. Yards - 3,536 yards
2. Touchdowns - 21
3. 270 Completions
4. 397 Attempts

By the eye test, Chase Brice is playing the position of quarterback more efficient, with more deep shots, and more deep completions. He checks into the right plays on offense, knows how to make pre and post snap reads of the defense, and adjusts accordingly. He dances in the pocket as needed. One play that comes to mind was against Marshall when he's hanging in the pocket, leans on the back of the tackle, works his way around and finds the open man while the pocket is collapsing.

Zac rarely came off of his first read and often would lock in until it was too late and his only other option was to run.

It's quite obvious that Brice is the better quarterback.

But, you left off the QB rushing stats

Through the first five games:
ZT 37 attempts for 218 yards (5.9 yards per carry) and 2 TD's
CB. 22 attempts for 28 yards (1.3 yards per carry and 1 TD

Also, if you go back to 2019 (Drink vs. Petersen), (Standard year vs. COVID) through the first 5 games
ZT was pretty even with CB
Completion percentage: ZT 68.3% vs. CB 68.0%
Yards per Attempt: ZT. 8.1 vs. CB 8.9
Chase crushes ZT on yards per game (272.0 vs. 189.8), but there is a huge discrepancy in the number of attempts
Not sure how to compute the rating through 5 games, but ZT has two games above 190 and three in the 127-147 range.
Rushing Yards for 2019 (through 5) ZT 42 attempts/166 yards (3.95 per carry) for 3 TD's vs. the aforementioned 22/28 (1.3) 1 TD
ZT 5-0 with a win over UNC vs. this year's 4-1

2019 Team Statistics: (full season)

1. Points per Game: 39.1 (higher than 2021)
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4.64 (higher than 2021)
3. 1st Downs per Game: 21.1 (8.9 passing, 10.8 rushing, 1.4 by penalty) (lower than 2021)
4. Passing Yards: 2,824 (201.7 yards per game) lower than 2021
5. Passing Touchdowns: 2.14 per game. (more than 2021)
6. Rushing Yards: 3,248 (232.0 yards per game). Higher than 2021
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 35 (2.5 per game). Higher than 2021
8. Total Yards per game: 433.7 yards per game Lower than 2021
9. Plays per game: 69

So, here's my point. Brice is a better passer. But the ZT/Drink offense in 2019 was higher scoring and more efficient than 2021 YTD.

I am glad the Brice is under center and love our 2021 Offense (which still has room for improvement). But, is it really a major upgrade at this point over 2019 ZT? Possibly, possibly not. ZT did a great job in his three years as a starter at App State (although his junior year was better than his senior year)

Was 2020 a regression? Was it the craziness of a COVID season, combined with injuries, quarantines, practice stoppages, etc. Was it Tony Peterson/Three Coordinators in three years?

Also, many forget that he was knocked out of the game (and into the hospital) vs. Ga. State last year and came back to start the next week at Coastal. Did the injury play a role in his 4Q performance (along with an exhausted Peoples and a kickoff out of bounds because our kickoff specialist didn't make the COVID travel roster)? ZT was essentially done as a rusher after Georgia State, which affected his overall game.

My point is that they are different styles of QB and they (so far) have both had success. Brice is definitely a Pro Style QB and plays the position in that manner.

It's a fun discussion.

[ericsaid]

I like Chase , he isn't Armanti but he's a good college QB. Upgrade from the past few years? Appears to be.Castle will get better at finding gaps and getting yardage but depth at RB is a concern.We have got to have 3 or 4 that can make plays.If not they wear down and get dinged.I watched GSU go toe to toe with Auburn and beat them upfront.This game concerned me , yes we hit a lull ,but we blew them out , on the road.The next couple of games will be tests.If we get healthy I like our chances.

There is no doubt that Chase is a better passer than ZT or Taylor. However, ZT's legs certainly kept the defense honest and probably the threat of him running allowed for a different playbook and he had the ability to break off long runs. So, while not knocking Chase, who i am pleased with, I don't know if we have an upgrade or just another solid QB.

Chase definitely throws a great deep ball.

Also, don't forget Spurlin at RB.

Okay. Lets break this down:


Through 5 games App has the following stats:

1. Points per Game: 35.6
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4
3. 1st Downs per Game: 26 (11.8 passing, 11.8 rushing, 2.4 by penalty)
4. Passing Yards: 1,421 (284 yards per game)
5. Passing Touchdowns: 1.8 per game
6. Rushing Yards: 986 (197.2 yards per game)
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 12 (2.4 per game)
8. Total Yards per game: 481.4 yards per game
9. Plays per game: 74.6

2020 Statistics:

1. Points per Game: 33.8
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4.33
3. 1st Downs per Game: 23 (8 passing, 13 rushing, 2.1 by penalty)
4. Passing Yards: 2,245 (187.1 yards per game)
5. Passing Touchdowns: 1.7 per game
6. Rushing Yards: 3,179 (264.9 yards per game)
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 28 (2.3 per game)
8. Total Yards per game: 452 yards per game
9. Plays per game: 72

Obviously the big trade-off we see here is in passing.

Zac's Statistics:

1. Completion % - 63.9
2. Average per Attempt - 7.5
3. Rating - 142.2
4. Average Yards per Game - 182.4 yards

Chase:

1. Completion % - 68.0
2. Average per Attempt - 8.9
3. Rating - 156.0
4. Average Yards per Game - 272.0

Chase 13 Game Outlook:

1. Yards - 3,536 yards
2. Touchdowns - 21
3. 270 Completions
4. 397 Attempts

By the eye test, Chase Brice is playing the position of quarterback more efficient, with more deep shots, and more deep completions. He checks into the right plays on offense, knows how to make pre and post snap reads of the defense, and adjusts accordingly. He dances in the pocket as needed. One play that comes to mind was against Marshall when he's hanging in the pocket, leans on the back of the tackle, works his way around and finds the open man while the pocket is collapsing.

Zac rarely came off of his first read and often would lock in until it was too late and his only other option was to run.

It's quite obvious that Brice is the better quarterback.

But, you left off the QB rushing stats

Through the first five games:
ZT 37 attempts for 218 yards (5.9 yards per carry) and 2 TD's
CB. 22 attempts for 28 yards (1.3 yards per carry and 1 TD

Also, if you go back to 2019 (Drink vs. Petersen), (Standard year vs. COVID) through the first 5 games
ZT was pretty even with CB
Completion percentage: ZT 68.3% vs. CB 68.0%
Yards per Attempt: ZT. 8.1 vs. CB 8.9
Chase crushes ZT on yards per game (272.0 vs. 189.8), but there is a huge discrepancy in the number of attempts
Not sure how to compute the rating through 5 games, but ZT has two games above 190 and three in the 127-147 range.
Rushing Yards for 2019 (through 5) ZT 42 attempts/166 yards (3.95 per carry) for 3 TD's vs. the aforementioned 22/28 (1.3) 1 TD
ZT 5-0 with a win over UNC vs. this year's 4-1

2019 Team Statistics: (full season)

1. Points per Game: 39.1 (higher than 2021)
2. Touchdowns per Game: 4.64 (higher than 2021)
3. 1st Downs per Game: 21.1 (8.9 passing, 10.8 rushing, 1.4 by penalty) (lower than 2021)
4. Passing Yards: 2,824 (201.7 yards per game) lower than 2021
5. Passing Touchdowns: 2.14 per game. (more than 2021)
6. Rushing Yards: 3,248 (232.0 yards per game). Higher than 2021
7. Rushing Touchdowns: 35 (2.5 per game). Higher than 2021
8. Total Yards per game: 433.7 yards per game Lower than 2021
9. Plays per game: 69

So, here's my point. Brice is a better passer. But the ZT/Drink offense in 2019 was higher scoring and more efficient than 2021 YTD.

I am glad the Brice is under center and love our 2021 Offense (which still has room for improvement). But, is it really a major upgrade at this point over 2019 ZT? Possibly, possibly not. ZT did a great job in his three years as a starter at App State (although his junior year was better than his senior year)

Was 2020 a regression? Was it the craziness of a COVID season, combined with injuries, quarantines, practice stoppages, etc. Was it Tony Peterson/Three Coordinators in three years?

Also, many forget that he was knocked out of the game (and into the hospital) vs. Ga. State last year and came back to start the next week at Coastal. Did the injury play a role in his 4Q performance (along with an exhausted Peoples and a kickoff out of bounds because our kickoff specialist didn't make the COVID travel roster)? ZT was essentially done as a rusher after Georgia State, which affected his overall game.

My point is that they are different styles of QB and they (so far) have both had success. Brice is definitely a Pro Style QB and plays the position in that manner.

It's a fun discussion.

They are different, that's for sure. My overall impression is that Brice's ability to read defenses is a benefit to both the run and pass game. Chase is given checks that he can call at the line and I don't recall seeing Zac have that much responsibility, though I could be wrong.

My biggest thing between the two is that Chase gets through his progression quickly. He will know based off of pre snap if his first read will be there and know exactly where to go once the coverage presents itself which is never something I felt I was seeing with Zac.

Thats to be expected though considering he was running scout team at Clemson and was a QB with Cutcliffe who provides a more pro style preparation regimen including film study for QB's than what App has had.

I loved Zac as a player and never felt 2020 was his fault. He was visibly frustrated at play calling multiple times in several games including Louisiana, Georgia State, and Coastal.

If you go back and watch the Louisiana game you notice App really starts to move the ball when they began to throw. But Zac made bad reads on the same play call in three separate games that Brice hasn't made yet. Those ladder concept routes where you have a TE on a short crosser and the receiver above him. Zac threw the ball to the receiver in cover 2 with two deep safeties in four games with two resulting in turnovers (Arkansas State and Coastal) and the other two being batted away by the safety.

Those are throws Brice has avoided thus far I assume because he can read and diagnose a defense pre and post snap.

I could be wrong. May not know what I'm talking about at all.

[WASU 93]

I don't think any of the points you are making are wrong. In a good pocket, there's no doubt that you'd rather have Chase throwing the ball. Other than a few misses, the only three bad balls (assuming there wasn't a miscommunication with the receivers) that I remember was the miss of the TE in the end zone vs. ECU, the INT post turnover vs. ECU and the INT on a deep ball against Marshall that was either forced, or was a 50/50 ball that the defender was in better position for. As I said, it's good discussion that could get better as the season progresses. I don't think we have seen Chase's best game yet.

Also, it seemed that Drink used the ladder routes more than anyone. Those are always fun to watch develop.

[Black Saturday]

Dabo didn’t offer ZT that I recall

[AppSt94]

Zac put a different pressure on the defense than Brice does. As a runner, much like Armanti, you had to account for him taking off. Brice doesn’t create that need, but you can’t sleep on him. Brice will stand in the pocket and work through his progressions, which puts a different kind of pressure on the defense,

[Black Saturday]

Zac was an athlete playing QB .Chase is a QB , is a a QB. Ritchie Williams could hum it too but AE was magic,in every aspect of the game,physically and mentally.

AE was an athlete playing QB as well, he could have been successful had he concentrated on cornerback or receiver imo or maybe even nose tackle - (just kidding about the NT)

[ericsaid]

Zac was an athlete playing QB .Chase is a QB , is a a QB. Ritchie Williams could hum it too but AE was magic,in every aspect of the game,physically and mentally.

AE was an athlete playing QB as well, he could have been successful had he concentrated on cornerback or receiver imo or maybe even nose tackle - (just kidding about the NT)

Armanti was different because he was throwing for 3,000 yards while running for 600. I think he could be successful in this App era but I still believe Chase is the best pure passer and facilitator of the offense I've seen since App has been in FBS.

His ability to read coverages and hang around the pocket is something App hasn't had since I've been following in 2004. He isn't taking the pre-determined throw if it isn't there and he's looking off safeties, pumping to get the safety to move to open the post routes, making the right checks. These are all next level traits.

The example I'd think of is Zac throwing the higher rung on the ladder routes last year multiple times when the coverage would say to throw it to the short guy. It's like be didn't know a safety would be over the top and he made that mistake quite a few times, including a back breaker at Coastal. I put some of that on Peterson for not finding a way to do film study with Zac via Zoom or something as I'm sure that had a major impact.

[ericsaid]

I don't think any of the points you are making are wrong. In a good pocket, there's no doubt that you'd rather have Chase throwing the ball. Other than a few misses, the only three bad balls (assuming there wasn't a miscommunication with the receivers) that I remember was the miss of the TE in the end zone vs. ECU, the INT post turnover vs. ECU and the INT on a deep ball against Marshall that was either forced, or was a 50/50 ball that the defender was in better position for. As I said, it's good discussion that could get better as the season progresses. I don't think we have seen Chase's best game yet.

Also, it seemed that Drink used the ladder routes more than anyone. Those are always fun to watch develop.

I don't think that the 50/50 ball was a bad throw. Corey has position on that route 80% of the time and fights for that ball but he just didn't have the leverage needed to make the play. Thats the risk of a 50/50 ball.

The throw to the TE against Miami was off a bit but if the receiver were Hennigan or Malik thats a touchdown, Pearson just doesn't have the fluid movement to keep his feet, so that is a two fold issue.

The missed throw to Evans in the endzone against Miami I chalked up to Brice having to throw around the line and a linebacker in coverage.

One throw the really illustrates how Brice is different from Thomas is the throw to Malik in the endzone against Miami. Brice is hanging tough in the pocket, his 1st option is covered, looks at his 2nd and 3rd option to the right, so he rolls, and then Malik goes back to the vacated part of the endzone and gets open where Brice finds him.

Zac would've taken off long before Brice threw that ball. Maybe he scores, maybe he doesn't but that's the primary difference.

I'd like to imagine what Brice would be like if he had Zac's speed. That would be intense.

[LKN_Lawyer]

The quick release and ability to sling it from a pistol set instead of a full shotgun or 5 step drop is what really sets him apart. Whoever in this thread said Armanti had a stronger arm than Chase Brice, I’m sorry…I love AE as much as any body, but that’s simply not true.

[WASU 93]

I don't think any of the points you are making are wrong. In a good pocket, there's no doubt that you'd rather have Chase throwing the ball. Other than a few misses, the only three bad balls (assuming there wasn't a miscommunication with the receivers) that I remember was the miss of the TE in the end zone vs. ECU, the INT post turnover vs. ECU and the INT on a deep ball against Marshall that was either forced, or was a 50/50 ball that the defender was in better position for. As I said, it's good discussion that could get better as the season progresses. I don't think we have seen Chase's best game yet.

Also, it seemed that Drink used the ladder routes more than anyone. Those are always fun to watch develop.

I don't think that the 50/50 ball was a bad throw. Corey has position on that route 80% of the time and fights for that ball but he just didn't have the leverage needed to make the play. Thats the risk of a 50/50 ball.

The throw to the TE against Miami was off a bit but if the receiver were Hennigan or Malik thats a touchdown, Pearson just doesn't have the fluid movement to keep his feet, so that is a two fold issue.

The missed throw to Evans in the endzone against Miami I chalked up to Brice having to throw around the line and a linebacker in coverage.

One throw the really illustrates how Brice is different from Thomas is the throw to Malik in the endzone against Miami. Brice is hanging tough in the pocket, his 1st option is covered, looks at his 2nd and 3rd option to the right, so he rolls, and then Malik goes back to the vacated part of the endzone and gets open where Brice finds him.

Zac would've taken off long before Brice threw that ball. Maybe he scores, maybe he doesn't but that's the primary difference.

I'd like to imagine what Brice would be like if he had Zac's speed. That would be intense.

Do you think Clemson would like to have him this year?

[goapps93]

I don't think any of the points you are making are wrong. In a good pocket, there's no doubt that you'd rather have Chase throwing the ball. Other than a few misses, the only three bad balls (assuming there wasn't a miscommunication with the receivers) that I remember was the miss of the TE in the end zone vs. ECU, the INT post turnover vs. ECU and the INT on a deep ball against Marshall that was either forced, or was a 50/50 ball that the defender was in better position for. As I said, it's good discussion that could get better as the season progresses. I don't think we have seen Chase's best game yet.

Also, it seemed that Drink used the ladder routes more than anyone. Those are always fun to watch develop.

I don't think that the 50/50 ball was a bad throw. Corey has position on that route 80% of the time and fights for that ball but he just didn't have the leverage needed to make the play. Thats the risk of a 50/50 ball.

The throw to the TE against Miami was off a bit but if the receiver were Hennigan or Malik thats a touchdown, Pearson just doesn't have the fluid movement to keep his feet, so that is a two fold issue.

The missed throw to Evans in the endzone against Miami I chalked up to Brice having to throw around the line and a linebacker in coverage.

One throw the really illustrates how Brice is different from Thomas is the throw to Malik in the endzone against Miami. Brice is hanging tough in the pocket, his 1st option is covered, looks at his 2nd and 3rd option to the right, so he rolls, and then Malik goes back to the vacated part of the endzone and gets open where Brice finds him.

Zac would've taken off long before Brice threw that ball. Maybe he scores, maybe he doesn't but that's the primary difference.

I'd like to imagine what Brice would be like if he had Zac's speed. That would be intense.

Do you think Clemson would like to have him this year?

I think they would but I think they would rather have a running back or two who were better than what they have. They miss Etienne much more than they miss Lawrence.