Article: Projecting the First Loss for the Remaining Undefeated Teams

[Seattleapp]

Coastal is good. It's hard to make a case they're not a lot better than a team we've played this year. I can't imagine what the line will be when we play them. But they are better than we are. Can we win, sure. But they are better than we are.

What exactly are you basing this on? The inflated 15 next to their name? Coastal's opponents have a cool 8-21 combined record. And if you subtract the Citadel it's 6-19. They haven't played a team with a winning record yet and as been mentioned before, ECU, Miami, Marshall and perhaps Georgia State are all better than anyone they have played. So I'm a bit surprised as an App fan you are so quick to raise the white flag. The certainty of which you are willing to concede that "sure" we can win is curious at best.

I'm not raising a white flag. I was clear that we could beat them. I said that they were better than we are. I base that on an eye test. I've watched them play two full games. I've also watched all of ours. I think they are better than we are. Our red zone defense is UNBELIEVABLE. If not for our ability to hold teams to field goals, rather than touchdowns, we loose to Marshall and the Georgia St. score would have been much closer. I get that Coastal has not played great competition, but they look good. They look better than us. You might not like or agree with my assessment, that's fine. But my perspective is shared by 61 AP poll voters.

Who have they played? Ranking mean zero really. BYU was ranked 10th. Do you think BYU was the 10th best team in the country? We’ve faced adversity by playing good teams. Which two full games did you watch? Umass? Kansas? We’d look that good too if we were playing those opponents

[appgrad95&97]

Coastal is good. It's hard to make a case they're not a lot better than a team we've played this year. I can't imagine what the line will be when we play them. But they are better than we are. Can we win, sure. But they are better than we are.

What exactly are you basing this on? The inflated 15 next to their name? Coastal's opponents have a cool 8-21 combined record. And if you subtract the Citadel it's 6-19. They haven't played a team with a winning record yet and as been mentioned before, ECU, Miami, Marshall and perhaps Georgia State are all better than anyone they have played. So I'm a bit surprised as an App fan you are so quick to raise the white flag. The certainty of which you are willing to concede that "sure" we can win is curious at best.

I'm not raising a white flag. I was clear that we could beat them. I said that they were better than we are. I base that on an eye test. I've watched them play two full games. I've also watched all of ours. I think they are better than we are. Our red zone defense is UNBELIEVABLE. If not for our ability to hold teams to field goals, rather than touchdowns, we loose to Marshall and the Georgia St. score would have been much closer. I get that Coastal has not played great competition, but they look good. They look better than us. You might not like or agree with my assessment, that's fine. But my perspective is shared by 61 AP poll voters.

Who have they played? Ranking mean zero really. BYU was ranked 10th. Do you think BYU was the 10th best team in the country? We’ve faced adversity by playing good teams. Which two full games did you watch? Umass? Kansas? We’d look that good too if we were playing those opponents

Kansas and Arkansas St. We may disagree, but the idea that I think Coastal is better than we are is some kind of "hot take" is wild to me.

[Black Saturday]

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[AppOrange]

Coastal is good. It's hard to make a case they're not a lot better than a team we've played this year. I can't imagine what the line will be when we play them. But they are better than we are. Can we win, sure. But they are better than we are.

What exactly are you basing this on? The inflated 15 next to their name? Coastal's opponents have a cool 8-21 combined record. And if you subtract the Citadel it's 6-19. They haven't played a team with a winning record yet and as been mentioned before, ECU, Miami, Marshall and perhaps Georgia State are all better than anyone they have played. So I'm a bit surprised as an App fan you are so quick to raise the white flag. The certainty of which you are willing to concede that "sure" we can win is curious at best.

I'm not raising a white flag. I was clear that we could beat them. I said that they were better than we are. I base that on an eye test. I've watched them play two full games. I've also watched all of ours. I think they are better than we are. Our red zone defense is UNBELIEVABLE. If not for our ability to hold teams to field goals, rather than touchdowns, we loose to Marshall and the Georgia St. score would have been much closer. I get that Coastal has not played great competition, but they look good. They look better than us. You might not like or agree with my assessment, that's fine. But my perspective is shared by 61 AP poll voters.

Who have they played? Ranking mean zero really. BYU was ranked 10th. Do you think BYU was the 10th best team in the country? We’ve faced adversity by playing good teams. Which two full games did you watch? Umass? Kansas? We’d look that good too if we were playing those opponents

Kansas and Arkansas St. We may disagree, but the idea that I think Coastal is better than we are is some kind of "hot take" is wild to me.

The fact is Coastal IS a good team. Yes they have had a monumental crap schedule, but they are doing what they have to do and that is beat these teams by making them look bad . . . and that is precisely what they ae doing. Are they #15, meh, but that's the way it works. If they beat umass, kansas, ark st. by 1 pt. then I got questions, but they are humiliating bad teams and that is what good teams do. What is inarguable is the ridiculousness of comparing themselves to us after 1 year of success. I don't even entertain that when they do it. I just smh and smile. Decades of success is needed before they can even start to compare themselves to our program.

Next week, anything could happen, I truly believe that. We could blow them out, win close, loose close, or less likely, loose ugly . it's just one of those games where there is a lot on the line, lots of good players and lots of variables. If we are healthy up front, contain Likely and keep McCall under 60 yards rushing, I like our chances at home.

[Black Saturday]

What exactly are you basing this on? The inflated 15 next to their name? Coastal's opponents have a cool 8-21 combined record. And if you subtract the Citadel it's 6-19. They haven't played a team with a winning record yet and as been mentioned before, ECU, Miami, Marshall and perhaps Georgia State are all better than anyone they have played. So I'm a bit surprised as an App fan you are so quick to raise the white flag. The certainty of which you are willing to concede that "sure" we can win is curious at best.

I'm not raising a white flag. I was clear that we could beat them. I said that they were better than we are. I base that on an eye test. I've watched them play two full games. I've also watched all of ours. I think they are better than we are. Our red zone defense is UNBELIEVABLE. If not for our ability to hold teams to field goals, rather than touchdowns, we loose to Marshall and the Georgia St. score would have been much closer. I get that Coastal has not played great competition, but they look good. They look better than us. You might not like or agree with my assessment, that's fine. But my perspective is shared by 61 AP poll voters.

Who have they played? Ranking mean zero really. BYU was ranked 10th. Do you think BYU was the 10th best team in the country? We’ve faced adversity by playing good teams. Which two full games did you watch? Umass? Kansas? We’d look that good too if we were playing those opponents

Kansas and Arkansas St. We may disagree, but the idea that I think Coastal is better than we are is some kind of "hot take" is wild to me.

The fact is Coastal IS a good team. Yes they have had a monumental crap schedule, but they are doing what they have to do and that is beat these teams by making them look bad . . . and that is precisely what they ae doing. Are they #15, meh, but that's the way it works. If they beat umass, kansas, ark st. by 1 pt. then I got questions, but they are humiliating bad teams and that is what good teams do. What is inarguable is the ridiculousness of comparing themselves to us after 1 year of success. I don't even entertain that when they do it. I just smh and smile. Decades of success is needed before they can even start to compare themselves to our program.

Next week, anything could happen, I truly believe that. We could blow them out, win close, loose close, or less likely, loose ugly . it's just one of those games where there is a lot on the line, lots of good players and lots of variables. If we are healthy up front, contain Likely and keep McCall under 60 yards rushing, I like our chances at home.

You forgot to mention the close call at #107 Buffalo

[AppOrange]

I'm not raising a white flag. I was clear that we could beat them. I said that they were better than we are. I base that on an eye test. I've watched them play two full games. I've also watched all of ours. I think they are better than we are. Our red zone defense is UNBELIEVABLE. If not for our ability to hold teams to field goals, rather than touchdowns, we loose to Marshall and the Georgia St. score would have been much closer. I get that Coastal has not played great competition, but they look good. They look better than us. You might not like or agree with my assessment, that's fine. But my perspective is shared by 61 AP poll voters.

Who have they played? Ranking mean zero really. BYU was ranked 10th. Do you think BYU was the 10th best team in the country? We’ve faced adversity by playing good teams. Which two full games did you watch? Umass? Kansas? We’d look that good too if we were playing those opponents

Kansas and Arkansas St. We may disagree, but the idea that I think Coastal is better than we are is some kind of "hot take" is wild to me.

The fact is Coastal IS a good team. Yes they have had a monumental crap schedule, but they are doing what they have to do and that is beat these teams by making them look bad . . . and that is precisely what they ae doing. Are they #15, meh, but that's the way it works. If they beat umass, kansas, ark st. by 1 pt. then I got questions, but they are humiliating bad teams and that is what good teams do. What is inarguable is the ridiculousness of comparing themselves to us after 1 year of success. I don't even entertain that when they do it. I just smh and smile. Decades of success is needed before they can even start to compare themselves to our program.

Next week, anything could happen, I truly believe that. We could blow them out, win close, loose close, or less likely, loose ugly . it's just one of those games where there is a lot on the line, lots of good players and lots of variables. If we are healthy up front, contain Likely and keep McCall under 60 yards rushing, I like our chances at home.

You forgot to mention the close call at #107 Buffalo

Not really forget to mention more than just generalization of their schedule. Buffalo has lost to some good teams this year and will likely win out so they may be better than their record indicates. They lost one game last year and have had a strong few years lately, so probably a decent team. My point, I think Coastal is a good and they keep winning by massive numbers (except buffalo on the road). With the Stink down this year, all my ire has turned to Coastal because of the way they conduct themselves, I want to see them loose very badly. I would be fine with them loosing before they play us I dislike them so much. We lost to Miami and Cincy looks great so the access bowl was done early. At this point I hope they loose as much as possible and we beat the crap out of them at home.

[Black Saturday]

Who have they played? Ranking mean zero really. BYU was ranked 10th. Do you think BYU was the 10th best team in the country? We’ve faced adversity by playing good teams. Which two full games did you watch? Umass? Kansas? We’d look that good too if we were playing those opponents

Kansas and Arkansas St. We may disagree, but the idea that I think Coastal is better than we are is some kind of "hot take" is wild to me.

The fact is Coastal IS a good team. Yes they have had a monumental crap schedule, but they are doing what they have to do and that is beat these teams by making them look bad . . . and that is precisely what they ae doing. Are they #15, meh, but that's the way it works. If they beat umass, kansas, ark st. by 1 pt. then I got questions, but they are humiliating bad teams and that is what good teams do. What is inarguable is the ridiculousness of comparing themselves to us after 1 year of success. I don't even entertain that when they do it. I just smh and smile. Decades of success is needed before they can even start to compare themselves to our program.

Next week, anything could happen, I truly believe that. We could blow them out, win close, loose close, or less likely, loose ugly . it's just one of those games where there is a lot on the line, lots of good players and lots of variables. If we are healthy up front, contain Likely and keep McCall under 60 yards rushing, I like our chances at home.

You forgot to mention the close call at #107 Buffalo

Not really forget to mention more than just generalization of their schedule. Buffalo has lost to some good teams this year and will likely win out so they may be better than their record indicates. They lost one game last year and have had a strong few years lately, so probably a decent team. My point, I think Coastal is a good and they keep winning by massive numbers (except buffalo on the road). With the Stink down this year, all my ire has turned to Coastal because of the way they conduct themselves, I want to see them loose very badly. I would be fine with them loosing before they play us I dislike them so much. We lost to Miami and Cincy looks great so the access bowl was done early. At this point I hope they loose as much as possible and we beat the crap out of them at home.

After we beat #15 Coastal will our team have a manikin with a "Mullet" to shave or burn a "Paper Tiger" or wring a "chicken's" neck on Twitter in response to their sawing the head off a stuffed wolf after their #121 Arky St win?

[huskie3]

Now King is out for the year!

[WASU 93]

No doubt. The Michigan game still comes up because that day was truly legendary and they milked it. They still do sometimes. If Coastal loses 1 game this year they will fall like a rock and will be seen on par with what someone like UTSA at that point. I actually hope we are their only loss though so we can have both of us finish ranked. I would rather it be ULL but if we give them two losses our best shot is App and CCU.

Is it simple to win the conference? We must beat Coastal assuming we both win out. We can lose to ULL and still win the title just travel back to UL to play in December, but win. If we win out, do we play Liberty, like Coastal did last year. Liberty is ranked ahead of us currently.

If we win the league but don't win out then it means CCU has lost multiple games and I think the league profile drops a lot. I'm pulling for us to win out and for us to be their only loss. I want our league profile to be seen as strong as it helps us. I don't even think about bowls until we get to late November. A lot can happen but after the next 2 games we should at least have a good idea about what is possible.

The Sun Belt profile has already dropped this year. The cupboard is bare after App St., LaLa and Coastal. There's not even a team on the rise at this point beyond the Top 3.

[AppStFan1]

No doubt. The Michigan game still comes up because that day was truly legendary and they milked it. They still do sometimes. If Coastal loses 1 game this year they will fall like a rock and will be seen on par with what someone like UTSA at that point. I actually hope we are their only loss though so we can have both of us finish ranked. I would rather it be ULL but if we give them two losses our best shot is App and CCU.

Is it simple to win the conference? We must beat Coastal assuming we both win out. We can lose to ULL and still win the title just travel back to UL to play in December, but win. If we win out, do we play Liberty, like Coastal did last year. Liberty is ranked ahead of us currently.

If we win the league but don't win out then it means CCU has lost multiple games and I think the league profile drops a lot. I'm pulling for us to win out and for us to be their only loss. I want our league profile to be seen as strong as it helps us. I don't even think about bowls until we get to late November. A lot can happen but after the next 2 games we should at least have a good idea about what is possible.

The Sun Belt profile has already dropped this year. The cupboard is bare after App St., LaLa and Coastal. There's not even a team on the rise at this point beyond the Top 3.

This is the new Big 3 and I feel like as long as the 3 of us are strong the league will be respected at the top. I'm sure at some point Troy and 1 or 2 others will rise again as well. If we could have 2 teams finish ranked then that would be huge to go from none for all those years to then 1 in 2019, 2 in 2020, and 2 again in 2021. If somehow we can have 2 ranked teams at the end of the year and a 3rd receiving votes that would at least make the top appear strong.

[ArmantiWaterSafety]

The Sun Belt profile has already dropped this year. The cupboard is bare after App St., LaLa and Coastal. There's not even a team on the rise at this point beyond the Top 3.

Yep, as soon as I pull my head out of the singular hole that is App State twitter and look at the comments by fans who don't follow college football closely (and even some that do), there are a LOT of comments that say things like "even the Sunbelt is better than such and such" or "yeah they don't play anyone better than Sunbelt schools" etc. We are never going to pull out of that perception with 3 schools in the whole conference that are good and the other schools not even having any brand recognition. That's where the AAC succeeds, even if they have teams that aren't good, the schools are known.

Troy used to be good, Georgia State had all the potential to be good, Ark State used to be really good, Georgia Southern was good when they first joined.

We may end up getting beaten by one or more of these schools mentioned, but I'll still hold firm that they're not good and if we do lose to any of them I'd take my rose-colored glasses off and say we're not good either.

The only way we win in this conference realignment is to get some schools with football success to come in and win or move to AAC.

[WASU 93]

No doubt. The Michigan game still comes up because that day was truly legendary and they milked it. They still do sometimes. If Coastal loses 1 game this year they will fall like a rock and will be seen on par with what someone like UTSA at that point. I actually hope we are their only loss though so we can have both of us finish ranked. I would rather it be ULL but if we give them two losses our best shot is App and CCU.

Is it simple to win the conference? We must beat Coastal assuming we both win out. We can lose to ULL and still win the title just travel back to UL to play in December, but win. If we win out, do we play Liberty, like Coastal did last year. Liberty is ranked ahead of us currently.

If we win the league but don't win out then it means CCU has lost multiple games and I think the league profile drops a lot. I'm pulling for us to win out and for us to be their only loss. I want our league profile to be seen as strong as it helps us. I don't even think about bowls until we get to late November. A lot can happen but after the next 2 games we should at least have a good idea about what is possible.

The Sun Belt profile has already dropped this year. The cupboard is bare after App St., LaLa and Coastal. There's not even a team on the rise at this point beyond the Top 3.

This is the new Big 3 and I feel like as long as the 3 of us are strong the league will be respected at the top. I'm sure at some point Troy and 1 or 2 others will rise again as well. If we could have 2 teams finish ranked then that would be huge to go from none for all those years to then 1 in 2019, 2 in 2020, and 2 again in 2021. If somehow we can have 2 ranked teams at the end of the year and a 3rd receiving votes that would at least make the top appear strong.

If we execute and expose Coastal, I don't see how they stay ranked. They have no resume this year, just a reputation from last year. Their marquee win is against Buffalo and no other win comes close. If we beat LaLa twice, they won't be ranked either. The only hope for the Sun Belt to have two teams ranked, doesn't have App St. as one of those teams. Hence, I will be happy to have one ranked team at the end of the year.

[AppStFan1]

Is it simple to win the conference? We must beat Coastal assuming we both win out. We can lose to ULL and still win the title just travel back to UL to play in December, but win. If we win out, do we play Liberty, like Coastal did last year. Liberty is ranked ahead of us currently.

If we win the league but don't win out then it means CCU has lost multiple games and I think the league profile drops a lot. I'm pulling for us to win out and for us to be their only loss. I want our league profile to be seen as strong as it helps us. I don't even think about bowls until we get to late November. A lot can happen but after the next 2 games we should at least have a good idea about what is possible.

The Sun Belt profile has already dropped this year. The cupboard is bare after App St., LaLa and Coastal. There's not even a team on the rise at this point beyond the Top 3.

This is the new Big 3 and I feel like as long as the 3 of us are strong the league will be respected at the top. I'm sure at some point Troy and 1 or 2 others will rise again as well. If we could have 2 teams finish ranked then that would be huge to go from none for all those years to then 1 in 2019, 2 in 2020, and 2 again in 2021. If somehow we can have 2 ranked teams at the end of the year and a 3rd receiving votes that would at least make the top appear strong.

If we execute and expose Coastal, I don't see how they stay ranked. They have no resume this year, just a reputation from last year. Their marquee win is against Buffalo and no other win comes close. If we beat LaLa twice, they won't be ranked either. The only hope for the Sun Belt to have two teams ranked, doesn't have App St. as one of those teams. Hence, I will be happy to have one ranked team at the end of the year.

I am going by if it is close and we win by say 3 or so. I bet that they either stick in around 23-25 or are 26-27. If we beat them by a lot then I agree they fall out and I would be shocked if they got a vote higher than 22 or 23 at that point. Their 129 SOS among FBS schools is bad though and if I was an AP voter I would drop them out of my ballot. I just know that some voters will still vote for them.